short 9/11 video (includes molten steel columns

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mookie9999 wrote:
    First he said that there was no electricity on the upper floors. Then that transcends to knock out all security cameras throughout the building??? Why would a power outage on the top floors (which is being disputed on here by someone working there those days) knock out the security cameras throughout the structure. And as mentioned earlier, this was in one tower. When did the power outage, security camera crisis, and placement of explosives on the other tower take place?

    If electricity is turned off for the top 50 floors...devices that rely on electricity won't function on those floors. Who here was working inside the building that weekend?

    They were shuffling people around in the buildings. Entire floors were being completely gutted. Elevators didn't stop on these floors i.e. the ones that were being "worked" on. Very easy to control access. They own the building, they could have done whatever and whenever they wanted to on whatever floor in complete privacy and for as long as they wanted to.

    That's the reality.

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  • niner
    niner Posts: 72
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    As per Scott Forbes: "Many, many people worked on the power down, both from the IT department and from the business, revalidating systems when they were available again. Other people can validate my information. Some people do not remember the circumstances, some people will not revisit that time ... but others acknowledge the power down freely and can validate my information."

    oh please....they worked in the fucking dark?
    he had tues 9/11 off?
    he's conveniently out of the country?
    somebody's nose is growing
  • niner
    niner Posts: 72
    mookie9999 wrote:
    I don't give a shit if a plane is made out of chopsticks and Quilted Northern!

    LMFAO!!!
    i love u mookie
  • mookie9999
    mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    They own the building, they could have done whatever and whenever they wanted to on whatever floor in complete privacy and for as long as they wanted to.

    Does that include entering and exiting the building with all this wiring and toolboxes that only ONE person in the video was an eyewitness to??? Sorry, but even Forbes sounds guilty with his "some people don't want to relive this and some people don't recall this happening" sounds like me telling a lie to my parents when I was 12.
    "The leads are weak!"

    "The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mookie9999 wrote:
    I don't give a shit if a plane is made out of chopsticks and Quilted Northern! The buildings were --->designed<
    to withstand 180 MPH of a plane made from these same hollow soft metal tubes. They hit the buildings at a much higher rate of speed. What is the difficulty in grasping this key fact that you seem to enjoy overlooking?!?!?

    Your argument rests almost entirely on this super colossal impact of nuclear proportions. I just don't see it.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mookie9999 wrote:
    Does that include entering and exiting the building with all this wiring and toolboxes that only ONE person in the video was an eyewitness to??? Sorry, but even Forbes sounds guilty with his "some people don't want to relive this and some people don't recall this happening" sounds like me telling a lie to my parents when I was 12.

    whatever works for you in your mind I guess...
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • mookie9999
    mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Your argument rests almost entirely on this super colossal impact of nuclear proportions. I just don't see it.

    What exactly can't you see? You're can't claim that they hit at a slower rate of speed. Nor can you deny that the building was made to WITHSTAND an impact of a "slow plane lost in the fog" not of some 21st Century Kamikaze nutbag flying it in as fast and as hard as possible. My argument on this point is structural damage caused by the planes. Of which, I think my argument is a pretty strong one.
    "The leads are weak!"

    "The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"

    "What's your name?"

    "FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
  • mookie9999
    mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    whatever works for you in your mind I guess...

    My mind likes to run on logic and facts, how bout yours?
    "The leads are weak!"

    "The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"

    "What's your name?"

    "FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    niner wrote:
    oh please....they worked in the fucking dark?
    he had tues 9/11 off?
    he's conveniently out of the country?
    somebody's nose is growing

    Well you're forgetting a lot of people that worked in the towers are now dead. Some guy works all weekend, is tired takes the a day off and you're thinking what about that again?

    The guy is from the UK working in the WTC towers on assignment. The
    buildings are gone...no place to work...he went home.

    your reasoning is weak..
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    how many of you have read the comission report?

    why did bush fight the investigation, underfund it, refuse to testify under oath and not without cheney by his side?
    you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
    ~Ron Burgundy
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mookie9999 wrote:
    What exactly can't you see? You're can't claim that they hit at a slower rate of speed. Nor can you deny that the building was made to WITHSTAND an impact of a "slow plane lost in the fog" not of some 21st Century Kamikaze nutbag flying it in as fast and as hard as possible. My argument on this point is structural damage caused by the planes. Of which, I think my argument is a pretty strong one.

    but you need the structural damage to be extreme for your idea to work. Was it?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mookie9999 wrote:
    My mind likes to run on logic and facts, how bout yours?

    why ask me when you want to tell me :rolleyes:
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • mookie9999
    mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    why ask me when you want to tell me :rolleyes:

    Why are you (and others alike) so quick to buy the accounts of one random person? I'm not saying to swallow everything a group is feeding you (i.e.official report) but rather to weigh each claim out one by one and try to assess its validity. For example, seeing planes slame into a building is valid, Having a foreign worker on location claiming a power outage is to me cancelled out by the gentleman on here who was working that weekend by the towers. Strength in numbers added to plausibility go a long way with me.
    "The leads are weak!"

    "The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"

    "What's your name?"

    "FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
  • Reynaldo6
    Reynaldo6 Posts: 80
    sonicreducer wrote:
    how many of you have read the comission report?

    why did bush fight the investigation, underfund it, refuse to testify under oath and not without cheney by his side?

    a solid point. but you cant trust everything you see on the internet these days. who knows maybe the video was tampered with just to get some "justice". Im not saying one way or another im just saying its a possibility.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mookie9999 wrote:
    Why are you (and others alike) so quick to buy the accounts of one random person? I'm not saying to swallow everything a group is feeding you (i.e.official report) but rather to weigh each claim out one by one and try to assess its validity. For example, seeing planes slame into a building is valid, Having a foreign worker on location claiming a power outage is to me cancelled out by the gentleman on here who was working that weekend by the towers. Strength in numbers added to plausibility go a long way with me.

    Who here again was working inside the towers that same weekend? I missed that.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Who here again was working inside the towers that same weekend? I missed that.

    anyhow here's a brief interview with SF

    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/339746/power_down_in_trade_centers_weekend_before_9_11/

    I find it interesting that Wirt's wikipedia page is pending a requested deletion

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirt_Walker
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  • niner
    niner Posts: 72
    what was gained by taking down the towers and pentagon?
    why a "conspiracy theory"
  • mookie9999
    mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Who here again was working inside the towers that same weekend? I missed that.

    No one said they were working inside the buildings. However, if there was a power outage in the upper floors of the tallest structures in NYC and someone on here was working in the water close to the towers, it would stand out that the whole upper half of the building was completely dark.
    "The leads are weak!"

    "The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"

    "What's your name?"

    "FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    How Bush spoke and reacted on/about 9/11

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8KPpo4L6lo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2qOBJIoK80
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mookie9999 wrote:
    No one said they were working inside the buildings. However, if there was a power outage in the upper floors of the tallest structures in NYC and someone on here was working in the water close to the towers, it would stand out that the whole upper half of the building was completely dark.

    Depends on how they arranged to have backup lighting available. they obviously didn't walk around in the dark. How that would have appeared from outside the building is anyone's guess.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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