gay people raising children

mca47 · June 2006

rightondude wrote:

nicely taken out of context to suit your immature ego... you missed some ...but what the hell is your point other than to be troublesome here?

again do you have anything positive to contribute?....no one likes a smart ass...see there's another one I just made...wow...

How was that out of context?
Look back at what you said and it's not any different.

My point is not to be "troublesome", but to state my belief that "homos" have the right to raise children as us wonderful perfect heterosexuals do on a regular basis. I understand the "evolutionary" aspect of it, but being the devil's advocate, and i try to push some buttons.
Still waiting on your credentials...

IndianSummer · June 2006

is there anyone in this forum who would NOT mind, being raised by 2 dads or two moms???

i have nothing against gays doing anything.

my concern is for the child who for no fault of his/hers will not have a father and mother.

and scarletstarlet, to answer you

A divorced couple can grow up a child.
A single woman/man can too.
A widower can grow up a child.
But a gay can not.
Why not?

divorced couples dont realise tht they would get divorced someday. so the child having to grow up with single parents is an unforseen accident. where as in the case of 2 homosexual parents, they know BEFOREHAND that the child will have 2 dads or moms.

a single man/woman..... i dont support that. same reason. i understand if the man and woman dont marry but still take care of the child mutually, but i dont support cases where the man or woman just uses the other to make the baby and then raises the child alone. cos thats very hard on the child and also this "hardness" was deliberately dished out to him (same in the case of 2 homosexuals - they know perfectly well what sort of problems their child will face).

widower ---- again unplanned. if someone becomes a widow or widower, then thats accidental.

mca47 · June 2006

IndianSummer wrote:

is there anyone in this forum who would NOT mind, being raised by 2 dads or two moms???

i have nothing against gays doing anything.

my concern is for the child who for no fault of his/hers will not have a father and mother.

and scarletstarlet, to answer you

A divorced couple can grow up a child.
A single woman/man can too.
A widower can grow up a child.
But a gay can not.
Why not?

divorced couples dont realise tht they would get divorced someday. so the child having to grow up with single parents is an unforseen accident. where as in the case of 2 homosexual parents, they know BEFOREHAND that the child will have 2 dads or moms.

a single man/woman..... i dont support that. same reason. i understand if the man and woman dont marry but still take care of the child mutually, but i dont support cases where the man or woman just uses the other to make the baby and then raises the child alone. cos thats very hard on the child and also this "hardness" was deliberately dished out to him (same in the case of 2 homosexuals - they know perfectly well what sort of problems their child will face).

widower ---- again unplanned. if someone becomes a widow or widower, then thats accidental.

Granted, I was raised in the prototypical "American family" with a mom and a dad, but I wouldn't give two shits if I was raised by two moms or two dads, as long as they loved me and supported me.
Again, reports have shown no preference for a sexual tendency with gay or non-gay parents.
With all the single parents out there (which is fine)...I don't see how this is a problem.
In fact, most of my gay friends (I am not gay) I can say would be better parents than my hetero friends.

darkcrow · June 2006

IndianSummer wrote:

is there anyone in this forum who would NOT mind, being raised by 2 dads or two moms???
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if you look at my post on page 6 you will find an answer of sorts, and it contains no homophobia.

Scarletstarlet · June 2006

IndianSummer wrote:

is there anyone in this forum who would NOT mind, being raised by 2 dads or two moms???
and scarletstarlet, to answer you

A divorced couple can grow up a child.
A single woman/man can too.
A widower can grow up a child.
But a gay can not.
Why not?

divorced couples dont realise tht they would get divorced someday. so the child having to grow up with single parents is an unforseen accident. where as in the case of 2 homosexual parents, they know BEFOREHAND that the child will have 2 dads or moms.

You' re so candid/naive.
There are a lot of people who realize to be homosexual only when they' re adult, and maybe when they' ve already became parents.
I hope you don't think that all the parents of the world are straight.Children with one gay parent already exists, there 's no need to go to Spain, to Belgium or The Netherlands.You can find them everywhere.

darkcrow · June 2006

Scarletstarlet wrote:

You' re so candid/naive.
There are a lot of people who realize to be homosexual only when they' re adult, quote]

very true. a lot of people came out on their first year at uni. a mixture of being able to come out to people who dont know or have perceptions about them and also a realisation of their true selves. uni is such an accepting place

rightondude · June 2006

mca47 wrote:

How was that out of context?
Look back at what you said and it's not any different.

My point is not to be "troublesome", but to state my belief that "homos" have the right to raise children as us wonderful perfect heterosexuals do on a regular basis. I understand the "evolutionary" aspect of it, but being the devil's advocate, and i try to push some buttons.
Still waiting on your credentials...

My argument transcends the one post that you used to try and prove your "point" with. I detest small minded approach. Do you see any of my posts "flinging" one liners at anyone? I would have a hard time seeing proof of that thus far. You would seem to take a very roundabout antagonistic approach to conveying your intent :rolleyes: Maybe state *your* credentials then...what do I have to prove to you anyways? I could tell you anything I want. Your reasoning, for whatever validation you seek, is poorly formulated in that regard. I don't need to flaunt my credentials here... I could easily, but why should I? because you demand them?...ha!...perhaps go fly yourself a concrete kite then... I have a nice length of anchor chain if you need something to connect it to

IndianSummer · June 2006

i am surprised that there are so many people in this forum who say they would nopt mind if they had been raised by 2 hosexual dads or moms.

Carlos D · June 2006

If two gays wanna get married,go ahead it doesn't hurt anyone.Adopting children on the other hand does.I'll never ever even support it one bit.I'd rather never have been born than grow up in a household with two men or women kissing each other.I mean sure,you'd have a great fashion sense but otherwise I really think it's a terrible idea.

darkcrow · June 2006

Carlos D wrote:

If two gays wanna get married,go ahead it doesn't anyone.Adopting children on the other hand does.I'll never ever even support it one bit.I'd rather never have been born than grow up in a household with two men or women kissing each other.I mean sure,you'd have a great fashion sense but otherwise I really think it's a terrible idea.

i dont get this resistance to being brought up by gay parents. who is to say they are any worse than a hetrosexual couple?? just becuase we are told that the hetrosexual was is better doesn't make it so. people really need to open their minds. your sexual preference doesnt determine your suitability as a parent.

Carlos D · June 2006

darkcrow wrote:

i dont get this resistance to being brought up by gay parents. who is to say they are any worse than a hetrosexual couple?? just becuase we are told that the hetrosexual was is better doesn't make it so. people really need to open their minds. your sexual preference doesnt determine your suitability as a parent.

Maybe they would be caring and considerate but I don't a homosexual household is the healthiest environment for a child's mind.

darkcrow · June 2006

Carlos D wrote:

Maybe they would be caring and considerate but I don't a homosexual household is the healthiest environment for a child's mind.

that is implying homosexuals are subversive and/or counter to the good of society.

Carlos D · June 2006

darkcrow wrote:

that is implying homosexuals are subversive and/or counter to the good of society.

I just can't imagine being a child and seeing two men kissing each other and trying to understand it.

darkcrow · June 2006

Carlos D wrote:

I just can't imagine being a child and seeing two men kissing each other and trying to understand it.

if you are brought up from birth by two two men or women you will except what you see as normal. its the nature/nurture thing.

Carlos D · June 2006

darkcrow wrote:

if you are brought up from birth by two two men or women you will except what you see as normal. its the nature/nurture thing.

Listen,I'd just choose a man and a woman as my parents if I had the choice,ok?They created me so they should raise me.

darkcrow · June 2006

Carlos D wrote:

Listen,I'd just choose a man and a woman as my parents if I had the choice,ok?They created me so they should raise me.

i'm not telling you to have gay parents... this is a forum about discussion. you said you couldnt comtemplate this and i mearly put a point across.

also there is a huge problem, in the uk at least, of children needing foster homes or to be adopted becuase their birth parents cannot or do not want them.... sometimes you just dont have the choice.

Skitch Patterson · June 2006

okay, i read through this thread...

and 2 points...

one, is directed to rightondude... on more than one occasion you referance adding someone/something to your "killfile"... what exactly does that mean? I read it as some juvenile "people to kill" list. Is that correct, or does it mean something else...

I do not question a gay couples ability to Parent. They can be just as good (or bad) at providing love and stability to a child. What i do wonder about, is, are kids an entitlement? I think i agree with Harmless on this one. People feel as though they are entitled to a kid- gay or straight. Should they be? I really dont know honestly. When someone decides (i know its not a "im gonna be gay" decision) to live a gay lifestyle, having kids is a physical impossibility to do naturally, so maybe that should be a sacrifice you make if you live a gay lifestyle.

Carlos D · June 2006

darkcrow wrote:

i'm not telling you to have gay parents... this is a forum about discussion. you said you couldnt comtemplate this and i mearly put a point across.

also there is a huge problem, in the uk at least, of children needing foster homes or to be adopted becuase their birth parents cannot or do not want them.... sometimes you just dont have the choice.

I can see it from the point of view that gay parents are better than no parents to me a man and a woman should raise kids.I know being a man and a woman doesn't automatically make you good parents but that's just the way I think it should be.I just think for the most part this is about gay people wanting the right to raise kids rather than thinking about the kids' point of view.

darkcrow · June 2006

Carlos D wrote:

I can see it from the point of view that gay parents are better than no parents to me a man and a woman should raise kids.I know being a man and a woman doesn't automatically make you good parents but that's just the way I think it should be.I just think for the most part this is about gay people wanting the right to raise kids rather than thinking about the kids' point of view.

what would the kids point of view be? "oh i ahve two daddies, i wish i had a 'normal' family"..... that is silly. as i said before kids generally accept what they see as normal. there is no evidence to sugest kids miss out on anything if they have gay parents.
you are entitled to say you feel more comfortable that you are raised by hetrosexul parents, but that is the way you ahve been raised. maybe if you were raised by two loving women or men you couldnt imagin having hetrosexual parents.

if you are brought up in a loving family then that should be enough. yeah gay couples want to raise kids, just as some women choose to raise kids by themselves.

IndianSummer · June 2006

Carlos D wrote:

I just think for the most part this is about gay people wanting the right to raise kids rather than thinking about the kids' point of view.

right on !!

homosexual people have a "he can scratch his ass in public so i should also be allowed to do so" kind of attitude towards everything.

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