wow NOT guilty in the sean bell case

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  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    Get_Right wrote:
    2 cases in ten years? Given what they deal with and the population numbers, thats pretty good.



    I dont believe thats true. White folk do not have Sharpton out there making a circus of it.


    Agreed. 50,000 cops, and a population well into the millions. It's not like we're talking about the Podunk PD here. I also don't think it helps that the NYPD is now paying rookie officers barely above minimum wage. They're not exactly attracting the best and the brightest. In fact, the best and the brightest are fleeing the NYPD for greener pastures like Long Island and Westchester where they get paid much better. Seattle's Police Dept even set up shop here and tested recently, and several cops will be headed west
  • Its Evolution Baby
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    Get_Right wrote:
    2 cases in ten years? Given what they deal with and the population numbers, thats pretty good.

    I dont believe thats true. White folk do not have Sharpton out there making a circus of it.

    I believe that 2 cases where the victims did NOTHING wrong and still were slaughtered by the cops is a lot in 10 years. Even if they have 15 million people to patrol its no excuse.

    I think that anytime a police officer shoots an innocent victim it becomes national news. I knew about the Diallo case from the papers not from Al Sharpton.
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  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    I believe that 2 cases where the victims did NOTHING wrong and still were slaughtered by the cops is a lot in 10 years. Even if they have 15 million people to patrol its no excuse.

    I think that anytime a police officer shoots an innocent victim it becomes national news. I knew about the Diallo case from the papers not from Al Sharpton.


    Did you know in the Diallo case that the officers stopped him in order to frisk him, and when they ordered him to put his hands up, he instead stuck a hand into his pocket to pull something out? Turns out he ignored the cops orders to put his hands up, and instead reached into his pocket to pull out his wallet. Now maybe if you were there, you would have been able to recognize that he was reaching for a wallet, and not a gun. Maybe you would have picked up on that in the 3/4th of a second that the cops had to make that decision. He was told to put his hands up, and instead put one into his pocket. He shoud have listened to the officers orders. if you want to get on the NYPD, get on them for the Abner Louima/Officer Volpe disgrace.
  • given2fly10
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    and we'll take that ride
    'cross this bloody river
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    41 shots... cut through the night
    You're kneeling over his body in the vestibule
    Praying for his life

    Is it a gun, is it a knife
    Is it a wallet, this is your life
    It ain't no secret
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    No secret my friend
    You can get killed just for living
    In your American skin

    41 shots
    Lena gets her son ready for school
    She says "on these streets, Charles
    You've got to understand the rules
    If an officer stops you
    Promise you'll always be polite,
    that you'll never ever run away
    Promise Mama you'll keep your hands in sight"

    Is it a gun, is it a knife
    Is it a wallet, this is your life
    It ain't no secret
    It ain't no secret
    No secret my friend
    You can get killed just for living
    In your American skin

    Is it a gun, is it a knife
    Is it in your heart, is it in your eyes
    It ain't no secret

    41 shots... and we'll take that ride
    'Cross this bloody river
    To the other side
    41 shots... got my boots caked in this mud
    We're baptized in these waters and in each other's blood

    Is it a gun, is it a knife
    Is it a wallet, this is your life
    It ain't no secret
    It ain't no secret
    No secret my friend
    You can get killed just for living
    In your American skin
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was referencing a different case when i mentioned 2 cops getting in a car, and then getting killed.

    http://www.odmp.org/officer/16558-detective-james-verneuil-nemorin

    yep i got that. :)
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  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    catefrances wrote:
    yep i got that. :)

    okay, just wanted to make sure. When I re-read my message hours later, and then your response, I wasn't sure if I was clear enough. I thought I had made it sound like the Bell cops got into a car with the Bell perps. Nevermind, and carry on
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    where is all this outrage when some fucking scumbag kills a cop?

    or where is the outrage at blacks killing blacks with guns EVERY FUCKING DAY? does Sharpton ever speak out against the thousands of young blacks roaming the streets armed to the teeth killing each other and terrorizing their communities EVERY DAY? fuck no, because he is a coward.


    i support the police, and i support them going home safely to their wife and children every night... period.


    people have no fucking clue what these cops deal with everyday...
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    my2hands wrote:
    where is all this outrage when some fucking scumbag kills a cop?

    or where is the outrage at blacks killing blacks with guns EVERY FUCKING DAY? does Sharpton ever speak out against the thousands of young blacks roaming the streets armed to the teeth killing each other and terrorizing their communities EVERY DAY? fuck no, because he is a coward.


    i support the police, and i support them going home safely to their wife and children every night... period.


    people have no fucking clue what these cops deal with everyday...

    don't generalise. a lot of us realise what cops are up against. but when your government decides that EVERYONE can have a gun just because, then what chance do they have?

    and yes i agree, barring transgressions, everyone has the right to go home to their family at night, safely. :)
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    catefrances wrote:
    don't generalise. a lot of us realise what cops are up against. but when your government decides that EVERYONE can have a gun just because, then what chance do they have?

    and yes i agree, barring transgressions, everyone has the right to go home to their family at night, safely. :)

    i am not generalizing, i am speaking the truth.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    my2hands wrote:
    i am not generalizing, i am speaking the truth.

    yeah you were. you were basically saying that the public has no clue as to what cops face everyday of their lives in this shitty society we all live in.
    and im saying we do. sometimes people, myself included, at times prefer to ignore whats right in front of them cause it offends them.
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  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    NY PJ1 wrote:
    im not on either side
    Are you fucking crazy???

    Put race aside and tell me how you can NOT be on the side of some innocent people getting shot up by 50+ bullets?

    This has less to do with race, IMO, and more to do with cops being ignorant assholes on power trips. I wouldn't feel any different if it were three white guys leaving a strip club.

    Further, I find it kinda funny that cops are hanging out in strip clubs and calling it work. Sure there might be some legitimacy to the whole 'undercover investigation of a prostitution ring' or whatever but come on. My money says that they're fucking pigs doing nothin' but getting paid to hang out at strip clubs and shoot their guns.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    my2hands wrote:
    where is all this outrage when some fucking scumbag kills a cop?

    or where is the outrage at blacks killing blacks with guns EVERY FUCKING DAY? does Sharpton ever speak out against the thousands of young blacks roaming the streets armed to the teeth killing each other and terrorizing their communities EVERY DAY? fuck no, because he is a coward.


    i support the police, and i support them going home safely to their wife and children every night... period.


    people have no fucking clue what these cops deal with everyday...
    Come on, you know better than this. I think there's plenty of outrage when cops get killed.

    The difference is that the killer goes to prison and likely faces death.

    If you saw three dudes gun down three cops and get acquitted then you'd see more outrage than in this case.

    Don't you think these unarmed and not dangerous men had the right to go home to their families that night? Jesus, man, think about this for one second.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    Come on, you know better than this. I think there's plenty of outrage when cops get killed.

    The difference is that the killer goes to prison and likely faces death.

    If you saw three dudes gun down three cops and get acquitted then you'd see more outrage than in this case.

    Don't you think these unarmed and not dangerous men had the right to go home to their families that night? Jesus, man, think about this for one second.
    right. cops get away with murder, literally.
  • Allie
    Allie Posts: 2,908
    sweetpotato wrote:
    i pulled up the story on msn and there's a picture of bell's fiance (standing next to sharpton, the original media whore), and the caption says her name is Nicole Paultre-Bell. now why is that? they weren't yet married. when the shooting first happened, she wasn't using his name, was she? so why has she NOW taken his last name? maybe so that her name can have that much more ZING on the cover of the book i'm sure she's already writing in her head or has already written/paid someone to write for her?

    i realize that they have two kids together, but that, to me, looks like she's cashing in on his death. it makes me sick.

    I don't think she is doing that at all and I don't like the assumptions
    SHe legally had her name changed after he died. He was killed on what would have been her wedding day
    She is the person I feel the most sorry for.

    Also, this case, the number of shots are being confused with Diallos' shooting. There were 50 shots fired at Sean Bell.
    And regarding the racism, two of the three cops on trial were African American
    I think a key point is that they were undercover and had been drinking, not to say that is an excuse but it could have clouded/impaired their judgment

    and what hurt the case imo based on what is coming out now is how the two other shooting victims (his friends) kept changing their testimony
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  • keeponrockin
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    SilverSeed wrote:
    I don't know the whole story, but based on what I've read today I have one major issue that hasn't been brought up yet.

    These were undercover cops in street clothes. The men they shot at most likely had no idea they were cops, and I would guess they reacted as any of us would to some random asshole with a gun- flee. It's written that one cop was brushed by the car and I can easily see how the cops would see that as an attempt to run one of their own down. Interestingly the cop who was brushed only fired 4 times. I know if I thought a car was going to run me down, and I had a gun, I'd unload every last bullet into the oncoming car.

    I don't trust the police very much, and this story has done nothing to further my trust. It's an awful situation and my heart goes out to his fiancee and family. Likewise to the officers and their families, if they truly acted in a fit manner. If not, I really hope the case gets looked at further.

    That's a REALLY good point.
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  • in_hiding79
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    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    2 of the shooting officers were black as well. That kinda fucked up Al Sharpton. You know he was hoping for 5 white cops when he heard the news. Why don't you tell me if you think 50 shots is overkill when someone is firing at YOU. Or at least you think someone is firing at YOU. And when the perp just tried to run over one of your fellow officers. There is absolutely no time to think, to try and evaluate the situation. Maybe the cops did no wrong, and maybe they did do wrong. But I don't think anyone, myself included, should try to judge them unless they've been in that exact situation


    I guess those 2 cops were racists also.....I knew it!!

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  • in_hiding79
    in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    adam42381 wrote:
    Is anybody actually surprised when Al Sharpton jumps behind a case like this? He's like a one trick pony at this point. Too bad he wasn't at the strip club that night...



    I can't believe you just posted that! :eek:


    I was thinking the same thing!

    :p
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  • in_hiding79
    in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    josevolution wrote:
    you think the community will use their brains and not burn the neighborhood down and vote out the judge or use peaceful protest, here at work the black guy's are talking violence ....



    no way.....
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  • in_hiding79
    in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    Are you fucking crazy???

    Put race aside and tell me how you can NOT be on the side of some innocent people getting shot up by 50+ bullets?

    This has less to do with race, IMO, and more to do with cops being ignorant assholes on power trips. I wouldn't feel any different if it were three white guys leaving a strip club.

    Further, I find it kinda funny that cops are hanging out in strip clubs and calling it work. Sure there might be some legitimacy to the whole 'undercover investigation of a prostitution ring' or whatever but come on. My money says that they're fucking pigs doing nothin' but getting paid to hang out at strip clubs and shoot their guns.


    Not all cops are pigs...you watch too many movies!!! :o
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