The police officer who initiated the gunfire said that he saw a fourth man in the car, who fled the scene amid the chaos, possibly with the alleged weapon that wasn't recovered. Some civilian witnesses at the scene support this claim, and pointed to Jean Nelson as the fourth man. Nelson was possibly present at the bachelor party and witnessed the shooting, but denies being in the car or possessing a gun.
"... no meaningful discussion of a fourth man, a mysterious figure who some in the Police Department have suggested may have been present along with the three men who were shot. None of the witnesses whose accounts are in the report speaks of someone who may have fled — perhaps possessing a gun — and there are no indications that the police at the time were seeking anyone who may have left the scene."
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you think the community will use their brains and not burn the neighborhood down and vote out the judge or use peaceful protest, here at work the black guy's are talking violence ....
seriously?? did you ask them what they hope to accomplish by that?
the one person that was taliking to me said " if this is what it takes to get respect " exact words not once did he mention peacefull protest ,and then i spoke to one other black man who is very well thought of here and is involved with the church and he agreed with me that they should be taking this matter to their congress man/woman or anyother political outlet to get answers/actions on their behalf ....but others are talking violence and are visually mad ..
the one person that was taliking to me said " if this is what it takes to get respect " exact words not once did he mention peacefull protest ,and then i spoke to one other black man who is very well thought of here and is involved with the church and he agreed with me that they should be taking this matter to their congress man/woman or anyother political outlet to get answers/actions on their behalf ....but others are talking violence and are visually mad ..
let's hope cooler heads prevail, and that al sharpton shuts the fuck up for once, instead of inciting riots in his self-important, self-righteous, disgusting way.
this would be a very good opportunity for barack obama to make a statement regarding race & peace. i wonder if he will.
kinda reminds me of the day MLK was killed, when bobby kennedy stood before a crowd of predominantly black supporters and broke the news to them. he was eloquent and respectful, he encouraged peaceful mourning, and quoted Aeschylus off the top of his head. the crowd was stunned and upset, yet no one turned on kennedy. they loved & repected him, and he had earned it.
(here's the speech: http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/rfk.htm)
i'd love to see someone rise to the occasion today, and incite peace and understanding as opposed to the opposite.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
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Amid the tragedy of the assassination of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, April 4, 1968, an extraordinary moment in U.S. political history occurred as Robert F. Kennedy, younger brother of slain President John F. Kennedy, broke the news of King's death to a large gathering of African Americans in Indianapolis, Indiana.
The gathering was actually a planned campaign rally for Robert Kennedy in his bid to get the 1968 Democratic nomination for President. Just after he arrived by plane at Indianapolis, Kennedy was told of King's death. He was advised by police against making the campaign stop which was in a part of the city considered to be a dangerous ghetto. But Kennedy insisted on going.
He arrived to find the people in an upbeat mood, anticipating the excitement of a Kennedy appearance. He climbed onto the platform, and realizing they did not know, broke the news.
"Ladies and Gentlemen - I'm only going to talk to you just for a minute or so this evening. Because...
I have some very sad news for all of you, and I think sad news for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world, and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and was killed tonight in Memphis, Tennessee.
Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justice between fellow human beings. He died in the cause of that effort. In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it's perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in.
For those of you who are black - considering the evidence evidently is that there were white people who were responsible - you can be filled with bitterness, and with hatred, and a desire for revenge.
We can move in that direction as a country, in greater polarization - black people amongst blacks, and white amongst whites, filled with hatred toward one another. Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand and to comprehend, and replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand, compassion and love.
For those of you who are black and are tempted to be filled with hatred and mistrust of the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I would only say that I can also feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man.
But we have to make an effort in the United States, we have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond these rather difficult times.
My favorite poet was Aeschylus. He once wrote: "Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God."
What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence and lawlessness, but is love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or whether they be black.
(Interrupted by applause)
So I ask you tonight to return home, to say a prayer for the family of Martin Luther King, yeah that's true, but more importantly to say a prayer for our own country, which all of us love - a prayer for understanding and that compassion of which I spoke. We can do well in this country. We will have difficult times. We've had difficult times in the past. And we will have difficult times in the future. It is not the end of violence; it is not the end of lawlessness; and it's not the end of disorder.
But the vast majority of white people and the vast majority of black people in this country want to live together, want to improve the quality of our life, and want justice for all human beings that abide in our land.
(Interrupted by applause)
Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world.
Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people. Thank you very much. (Applause)"
-Robert F. Kennedy - April 4, 1968
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This is a really awful story. I didn't pay much attention to it when it happened, but have read up some more since hearing the verdict. I have no idea if the verdict today was sane or not, but keeping these officers legally armed and in a position of authority would certainly qualify as insane.
I don't know the whole story, but based on what I've read today I have one major issue that hasn't been brought up yet.
These were undercover cops in street clothes. The men they shot at most likely had no idea they were cops, and I would guess they reacted as any of us would to some random asshole with a gun- flee. It's written that one cop was brushed by the car and I can easily see how the cops would see that as an attempt to run one of their own down. Interestingly the cop who was brushed only fired 4 times. I know if I thought a car was going to run me down, and I had a gun, I'd unload every last bullet into the oncoming car.
I don't trust the police very much, and this story has done nothing to further my trust. It's an awful situation and my heart goes out to his fiancee and family. Likewise to the officers and their families, if they truly acted in a fit manner. If not, I really hope the case gets looked at further.
When Jesus said "Love your enemies" he probably didn't mean kill them...
"Sometimes I think I'd be better off dead. No, wait, not me, you." -Deep Toughts, Jack Handy
Amid the tragedy of the assassination of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, April 4, 1968, an extraordinary moment in U.S. political history occurred as Robert F. Kennedy, younger brother of slain President John F. Kennedy, broke the news of King's death to a large gathering of African Americans in Indianapolis, Indiana.
The gathering was actually a planned campaign rally for Robert Kennedy in his bid to get the 1968 Democratic nomination for President. Just after he arrived by plane at Indianapolis, Kennedy was told of King's death. He was advised by police against making the campaign stop which was in a part of the city considered to be a dangerous ghetto. But Kennedy insisted on going.
He arrived to find the people in an upbeat mood, anticipating the excitement of a Kennedy appearance. He climbed onto the platform, and realizing they did not know, broke the news.
"Ladies and Gentlemen - I'm only going to talk to you just for a minute or so this evening. Because...
I have some very sad news for all of you, and I think sad news for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world, and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and was killed tonight in Memphis, Tennessee.
Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justice between fellow human beings. He died in the cause of that effort. In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it's perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in.
For those of you who are black - considering the evidence evidently is that there were white people who were responsible - you can be filled with bitterness, and with hatred, and a desire for revenge.
We can move in that direction as a country, in greater polarization - black people amongst blacks, and white amongst whites, filled with hatred toward one another. Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand and to comprehend, and replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand, compassion and love.
For those of you who are black and are tempted to be filled with hatred and mistrust of the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I would only say that I can also feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man.
But we have to make an effort in the United States, we have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond these rather difficult times.
My favorite poet was Aeschylus. He once wrote: "Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God."
What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence and lawlessness, but is love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or whether they be black.
(Interrupted by applause)
So I ask you tonight to return home, to say a prayer for the family of Martin Luther King, yeah that's true, but more importantly to say a prayer for our own country, which all of us love - a prayer for understanding and that compassion of which I spoke. We can do well in this country. We will have difficult times. We've had difficult times in the past. And we will have difficult times in the future. It is not the end of violence; it is not the end of lawlessness; and it's not the end of disorder.
But the vast majority of white people and the vast majority of black people in this country want to live together, want to improve the quality of our life, and want justice for all human beings that abide in our land.
(Interrupted by applause)
Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world.
Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people. Thank you very much. (Applause)"
Generally, I tend to believe the cops. Cops dont bother you unless you are doing something wrong 99% fo the time, and even then, most times its no big deal if you are respectful. SOMETHING had to go down for cops to pull their guns, and something else had to go down for a shot to be fired. Accidents happen, but there is usually a justifiable reason for a shot to be fired.
That being said, I cant quite get my head around the idea that a cop reloaded and continued firing without being certain that he, or another officer, was being fired ON. That seems reckless to me.
But I do know first hand that at least some of the cops in NYC are racist and use racial profiling. Ive seen it first hand.
i pulled up the story on msn and there's a picture of bell's fiance (standing next to sharpton, the original media whore), and the caption says her name is Nicole Paultre-Bell. now why is that? they weren't yet married. when the shooting first happened, she wasn't using his name, was she? so why has she NOW taken his last name? maybe so that her name can have that much more ZING on the cover of the book i'm sure she's already writing in her head or has already written/paid someone to write for her?
i realize that they have two kids together, but that, to me, looks like she's cashing in on his death. it makes me sick.
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Generally, I tend to believe the cops. Cops dont bother you unless you are doing something wrong 99% fo the time, and even then, most times its no big deal if you are respectful. SOMETHING had to go down for cops to pull their guns, and something else had to go down for a shot to be fired. Accidents happen, but there is usually a justifiable reason for a shot to be fired.
That being said, I cant quite get my head around the idea that a cop reloaded and continued firing without being certain that he, or another officer, was being fired ON. That seems reckless to me.
But I do know first hand that at least some of the cops in NYC are racist and use racial profiling. Ive seen it first hand.
I generally believe what you are saying here but NYPD has recent history going against them.
Massive changes need to be made at that Department after two high profile wrongful death cases against Black Men in 10 years.
Also its never a white person who is wrongfully killed by a cop.
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Probably not, of course ... 50 is a lot. However, I don't think these cops deserve charges because they fired a certain number of shots. They should be charged for one or for 50 extra shots, assuming that the shooting was not justified. As it turns out, the courts thought it was.
they got in a car to make a gun deal? okay that just shows a lack of forethought to begin with.
heat of the moment? did they know the guys had guns? did the guys even have guns? was this a case of pre-emptive striking just in case?
im gonna admit i have a very difficult time dealing with gun culture. i have an even more difficult time with people using supposition to validate their actions.
can someone please tell me about this case?
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was referencing a different case when i mentioned 2 cops getting in a car, and then getting killed.
2 cases in ten years? Given what they deal with and the population numbers, thats pretty good.
I dont believe thats true. White folk do not have Sharpton out there making a circus of it.
Agreed. 50,000 cops, and a population well into the millions. It's not like we're talking about the Podunk PD here. I also don't think it helps that the NYPD is now paying rookie officers barely above minimum wage. They're not exactly attracting the best and the brightest. In fact, the best and the brightest are fleeing the NYPD for greener pastures like Long Island and Westchester where they get paid much better. Seattle's Police Dept even set up shop here and tested recently, and several cops will be headed west
2 cases in ten years? Given what they deal with and the population numbers, thats pretty good.
I dont believe thats true. White folk do not have Sharpton out there making a circus of it.
I believe that 2 cases where the victims did NOTHING wrong and still were slaughtered by the cops is a lot in 10 years. Even if they have 15 million people to patrol its no excuse.
I think that anytime a police officer shoots an innocent victim it becomes national news. I knew about the Diallo case from the papers not from Al Sharpton.
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I believe that 2 cases where the victims did NOTHING wrong and still were slaughtered by the cops is a lot in 10 years. Even if they have 15 million people to patrol its no excuse.
I think that anytime a police officer shoots an innocent victim it becomes national news. I knew about the Diallo case from the papers not from Al Sharpton.
Did you know in the Diallo case that the officers stopped him in order to frisk him, and when they ordered him to put his hands up, he instead stuck a hand into his pocket to pull something out? Turns out he ignored the cops orders to put his hands up, and instead reached into his pocket to pull out his wallet. Now maybe if you were there, you would have been able to recognize that he was reaching for a wallet, and not a gun. Maybe you would have picked up on that in the 3/4th of a second that the cops had to make that decision. He was told to put his hands up, and instead put one into his pocket. He shoud have listened to the officers orders. if you want to get on the NYPD, get on them for the Abner Louima/Officer Volpe disgrace.
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots....
and we'll take that ride
'cross this bloody river
to the other side
41 shots... cut through the night
You're kneeling over his body in the vestibule
Praying for his life
Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it a wallet, this is your life
It ain't no secret
It ain't no secret
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living
In your American skin
41 shots
Lena gets her son ready for school
She says "on these streets, Charles
You've got to understand the rules
If an officer stops you
Promise you'll always be polite,
that you'll never ever run away
Promise Mama you'll keep your hands in sight"
Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it a wallet, this is your life
It ain't no secret
It ain't no secret
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living
In your American skin
Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it in your heart, is it in your eyes
It ain't no secret
41 shots... and we'll take that ride
'Cross this bloody river
To the other side
41 shots... got my boots caked in this mud
We're baptized in these waters and in each other's blood
Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it a wallet, this is your life
It ain't no secret
It ain't no secret
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living
In your American skin
And he still gives his love, he just gives it away, The love he receives is the love that is saved, And sometimes is seen a strange spot in the sky, A human being that was given to fly
okay, just wanted to make sure. When I re-read my message hours later, and then your response, I wasn't sure if I was clear enough. I thought I had made it sound like the Bell cops got into a car with the Bell perps. Nevermind, and carry on
where is all this outrage when some fucking scumbag kills a cop?
or where is the outrage at blacks killing blacks with guns EVERY FUCKING DAY? does Sharpton ever speak out against the thousands of young blacks roaming the streets armed to the teeth killing each other and terrorizing their communities EVERY DAY? fuck no, because he is a coward.
i support the police, and i support them going home safely to their wife and children every night... period.
people have no fucking clue what these cops deal with everyday...
where is all this outrage when some fucking scumbag kills a cop?
or where is the outrage at blacks killing blacks with guns EVERY FUCKING DAY? does Sharpton ever speak out against the thousands of young blacks roaming the streets armed to the teeth killing each other and terrorizing their communities EVERY DAY? fuck no, because he is a coward.
i support the police, and i support them going home safely to their wife and children every night... period.
people have no fucking clue what these cops deal with everyday...
don't generalise. a lot of us realise what cops are up against. but when your government decides that EVERYONE can have a gun just because, then what chance do they have?
and yes i agree, barring transgressions, everyone has the right to go home to their family at night, safely.
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don't generalise. a lot of us realise what cops are up against. but when your government decides that EVERYONE can have a gun just because, then what chance do they have?
and yes i agree, barring transgressions, everyone has the right to go home to their family at night, safely.
yeah you were. you were basically saying that the public has no clue as to what cops face everyday of their lives in this shitty society we all live in.
and im saying we do. sometimes people, myself included, at times prefer to ignore whats right in front of them cause it offends them.
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"... no meaningful discussion of a fourth man, a mysterious figure who some in the Police Department have suggested may have been present along with the three men who were shot. None of the witnesses whose accounts are in the report speaks of someone who may have fled — perhaps possessing a gun — and there are no indications that the police at the time were seeking anyone who may have left the scene."
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hold my hand
lie beside me
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seriously?? did you ask them what they hope to accomplish by that?
the one person that was taliking to me said " if this is what it takes to get respect " exact words not once did he mention peacefull protest ,and then i spoke to one other black man who is very well thought of here and is involved with the church and he agreed with me that they should be taking this matter to their congress man/woman or anyother political outlet to get answers/actions on their behalf ....but others are talking violence and are visually mad ..
wow im schocked :rolleyes:
this would be a very good opportunity for barack obama to make a statement regarding race & peace. i wonder if he will.
kinda reminds me of the day MLK was killed, when bobby kennedy stood before a crowd of predominantly black supporters and broke the news to them. he was eloquent and respectful, he encouraged peaceful mourning, and quoted Aeschylus off the top of his head. the crowd was stunned and upset, yet no one turned on kennedy. they loved & repected him, and he had earned it.
(here's the speech: http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/rfk.htm)
i'd love to see someone rise to the occasion today, and incite peace and understanding as opposed to the opposite.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
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The gathering was actually a planned campaign rally for Robert Kennedy in his bid to get the 1968 Democratic nomination for President. Just after he arrived by plane at Indianapolis, Kennedy was told of King's death. He was advised by police against making the campaign stop which was in a part of the city considered to be a dangerous ghetto. But Kennedy insisted on going.
He arrived to find the people in an upbeat mood, anticipating the excitement of a Kennedy appearance. He climbed onto the platform, and realizing they did not know, broke the news.
"Ladies and Gentlemen - I'm only going to talk to you just for a minute or so this evening. Because...
I have some very sad news for all of you, and I think sad news for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world, and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and was killed tonight in Memphis, Tennessee.
Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justice between fellow human beings. He died in the cause of that effort. In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it's perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in.
For those of you who are black - considering the evidence evidently is that there were white people who were responsible - you can be filled with bitterness, and with hatred, and a desire for revenge.
We can move in that direction as a country, in greater polarization - black people amongst blacks, and white amongst whites, filled with hatred toward one another. Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand and to comprehend, and replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand, compassion and love.
For those of you who are black and are tempted to be filled with hatred and mistrust of the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I would only say that I can also feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man.
But we have to make an effort in the United States, we have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond these rather difficult times.
My favorite poet was Aeschylus. He once wrote: "Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God."
What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence and lawlessness, but is love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or whether they be black.
(Interrupted by applause)
So I ask you tonight to return home, to say a prayer for the family of Martin Luther King, yeah that's true, but more importantly to say a prayer for our own country, which all of us love - a prayer for understanding and that compassion of which I spoke. We can do well in this country. We will have difficult times. We've had difficult times in the past. And we will have difficult times in the future. It is not the end of violence; it is not the end of lawlessness; and it's not the end of disorder.
But the vast majority of white people and the vast majority of black people in this country want to live together, want to improve the quality of our life, and want justice for all human beings that abide in our land.
(Interrupted by applause)
Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world.
Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people. Thank you very much. (Applause)"
-Robert F. Kennedy - April 4, 1968
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
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These were undercover cops in street clothes. The men they shot at most likely had no idea they were cops, and I would guess they reacted as any of us would to some random asshole with a gun- flee. It's written that one cop was brushed by the car and I can easily see how the cops would see that as an attempt to run one of their own down. Interestingly the cop who was brushed only fired 4 times. I know if I thought a car was going to run me down, and I had a gun, I'd unload every last bullet into the oncoming car.
I don't trust the police very much, and this story has done nothing to further my trust. It's an awful situation and my heart goes out to his fiancee and family. Likewise to the officers and their families, if they truly acted in a fit manner. If not, I really hope the case gets looked at further.
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Thanks Sweetpotato
That being said, I cant quite get my head around the idea that a cop reloaded and continued firing without being certain that he, or another officer, was being fired ON. That seems reckless to me.
But I do know first hand that at least some of the cops in NYC are racist and use racial profiling. Ive seen it first hand.
i realize that they have two kids together, but that, to me, looks like she's cashing in on his death. it makes me sick.
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I generally believe what you are saying here but NYPD has recent history going against them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo
Massive changes need to be made at that Department after two high profile wrongful death cases against Black Men in 10 years.
Also its never a white person who is wrongfully killed by a cop.
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if you ever have a chance to hear / see the speech, it's even more powerful. i think that website has a link to let you hear it.
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But would you reload and keep firing after no shots came back your way?
Probably not, of course ... 50 is a lot. However, I don't think these cops deserve charges because they fired a certain number of shots. They should be charged for one or for 50 extra shots, assuming that the shooting was not justified. As it turns out, the courts thought it was.
Getting shot? Which would a tad ironic.
Not to sound insensitive, because obviously racism still exists ... But damn, people wonder why attitude change seems so slow in coming sometimes.
I dont believe thats true. White folk do not have Sharpton out there making a circus of it.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was referencing a different case when i mentioned 2 cops getting in a car, and then getting killed.
http://www.odmp.org/officer/16558-detective-james-verneuil-nemorin
Agreed. 50,000 cops, and a population well into the millions. It's not like we're talking about the Podunk PD here. I also don't think it helps that the NYPD is now paying rookie officers barely above minimum wage. They're not exactly attracting the best and the brightest. In fact, the best and the brightest are fleeing the NYPD for greener pastures like Long Island and Westchester where they get paid much better. Seattle's Police Dept even set up shop here and tested recently, and several cops will be headed west
I believe that 2 cases where the victims did NOTHING wrong and still were slaughtered by the cops is a lot in 10 years. Even if they have 15 million people to patrol its no excuse.
I think that anytime a police officer shoots an innocent victim it becomes national news. I knew about the Diallo case from the papers not from Al Sharpton.
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10/6/2009 LA III (***** Cornell!!!)
Did you know in the Diallo case that the officers stopped him in order to frisk him, and when they ordered him to put his hands up, he instead stuck a hand into his pocket to pull something out? Turns out he ignored the cops orders to put his hands up, and instead reached into his pocket to pull out his wallet. Now maybe if you were there, you would have been able to recognize that he was reaching for a wallet, and not a gun. Maybe you would have picked up on that in the 3/4th of a second that the cops had to make that decision. He was told to put his hands up, and instead put one into his pocket. He shoud have listened to the officers orders. if you want to get on the NYPD, get on them for the Abner Louima/Officer Volpe disgrace.
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots
41 shots....
and we'll take that ride
'cross this bloody river
to the other side
41 shots... cut through the night
You're kneeling over his body in the vestibule
Praying for his life
Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it a wallet, this is your life
It ain't no secret
It ain't no secret
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living
In your American skin
41 shots
Lena gets her son ready for school
She says "on these streets, Charles
You've got to understand the rules
If an officer stops you
Promise you'll always be polite,
that you'll never ever run away
Promise Mama you'll keep your hands in sight"
Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it a wallet, this is your life
It ain't no secret
It ain't no secret
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living
In your American skin
Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it in your heart, is it in your eyes
It ain't no secret
41 shots... and we'll take that ride
'Cross this bloody river
To the other side
41 shots... got my boots caked in this mud
We're baptized in these waters and in each other's blood
Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it a wallet, this is your life
It ain't no secret
It ain't no secret
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living
In your American skin
no bed=no brian
coke sucks
yep i got that.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
okay, just wanted to make sure. When I re-read my message hours later, and then your response, I wasn't sure if I was clear enough. I thought I had made it sound like the Bell cops got into a car with the Bell perps. Nevermind, and carry on
or where is the outrage at blacks killing blacks with guns EVERY FUCKING DAY? does Sharpton ever speak out against the thousands of young blacks roaming the streets armed to the teeth killing each other and terrorizing their communities EVERY DAY? fuck no, because he is a coward.
i support the police, and i support them going home safely to their wife and children every night... period.
people have no fucking clue what these cops deal with everyday...
don't generalise. a lot of us realise what cops are up against. but when your government decides that EVERYONE can have a gun just because, then what chance do they have?
and yes i agree, barring transgressions, everyone has the right to go home to their family at night, safely.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i am not generalizing, i am speaking the truth.
yeah you were. you were basically saying that the public has no clue as to what cops face everyday of their lives in this shitty society we all live in.
and im saying we do. sometimes people, myself included, at times prefer to ignore whats right in front of them cause it offends them.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say