Credible People Who Say 911 Was An Inside Job: CIA Agents, Foreign Presidents, Etc

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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Yes and what of the mass of the bottom portion of the buildings and the bus? Much larger, which is why they don;t crush completely when affected by a much smaller mass from above.

    btw... I'm talking about the top portions completely crushing (at the speed of gravity mind you) the bottom portions all the way to the ground without stopping... not the airplanes hitting anything.


    I think we should also talk about the 40 massive steel columns that just dissapeared throughout the length of the building, and have chemicaly induced angular cuts (which happen to mimic shaped charges used for demolition) right at their base.

    Hmm.
    :D

    But again, minus ANY physical evidence, why are numerous highly qualified CIA agents saying this was a CIA job?

    Wouldn't they know best?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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  • MakingWaves
    MakingWaves Posts: 1,294
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    ahahhahah!
    i know you mean well, but hahahahahh!
    NIST?

    "Credible" would NOT be the word i would use to describe them. Lying sacks of shit, is one that comes to mind.

    Watch around the 1 hour 7 minute mark and wait for the shit head to start speaking.
    1:11:45 is the part you are looking for, specificaly. Watch from there to 1:14:00
    Sound like a "credible" man or a lying sack of shit to you?

    He denies a physical phenomenon documented by on site 1st responders, AND by NASA satellite thermal photographs.
    Who do you think is lying, the good NYFD boys who are ALL in agreement, and the guy testifying before congress?
    Or this piece of shit from NIST?


    Hmm.

    What proof do you have that your government workers are credible sources. Simply because they agree with your theory doesn't make them credible.
    And you are going off of that one picture showing glowing steel..that in no way makes a pool of molten steel as the video refers to. Your gonna have to better then this since we've been over all that before.

    But before any of you even respond I give up because no matter what proof anyone puts up they either had an agenda or can't be trusted or are just lying or you just refuse to acknowledge it. We've been over this stuff a hundred times and opinions will never change. I still say my side of the arguement is based on science and facts, see the popular mechanics article and i don't give a shit whose 7th cousins uncle wrote it, and your side is based on theories and assumptions.
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  • Danimal
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    Oh knock it off.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    People still quote the popular mechanics article as proof to their argument?

    omg...
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  • Collin
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    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Plus, though i like the guy, i think i'll take 7 distinguished CIA employees with multi-decade careers, and the heads of foreign intelligence services and ranking members of parliment and presidents of nations words of it over Bill Maher.

    That's just my bent though.
    :D


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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    MakingWaves wrote:
    What proof do you have that your government workers are credible sources. Simply because they agree with your theory doesn't make them credible.
    And you are going off of that one picture showing glowing steel..that in no way makes a pool of molten steel as the video refers to. Your gonna have to better then this since we've been over all that before.

    How about the 3-5 fire fighters sitting at the table in that section of video i linked up there, where the one says, "There were big channels of molten metal." "like lava. It was like a foundry", and the other firefighter is sitting there nodding his head, and you hear a bunch of "yeps, yep!" off camera?

    And Giuliani and that other guy testifying in front of congress about it.

    Those don't count?

    And again, what "evidence" do you have? Besides Popular Mechanics, which by the way ... have you heard the INTERVIEW with David Coburn, of Popular Mechanics?

    I know you won't bother to listen to this, but the guy is so full of shit, it's not funny.

    When asked about WTC 7, the guy says, "We were actualy shown pictures by the Government". When asked, "Why would they show it to you and not to the people directly accusing them of a cover up, and just shut us up about it?" He says, "Oh, well we are the Media." The interviewer then says, "Wait a minute. WE are the media. I am the media. That doesn't hold water. If they can prove its not true, and they've shown you, why don't they show us?"

    Listen around the 11 minute mark.
    DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?

    Its a picture of a fucking building!
    You can show it to a guy who works for Hearst Publishing, but not to the American public or ANY other media source?

    HMM!
    :(
    NO ANSWER.
    The interview is filled with this shit.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    I think we should also talk about the 40 massive steel columns that just dissapeared throughout the length of the building, and have chemicaly induced angular cuts (which happen to mimic shaped charges used for demolition) right at their base.

    Hmm.
    :D

    But again, minus ANY physical evidence, why are numerous highly qualified CIA agents saying this was a CIA job?

    Wouldn't they know best?

    In order for the physics of the official 9/11 commission...popular mechanics etc official garbage to work the columns would have had to have separated at each floor and remained standing in their incredibly effing strong caged formation. i.e. such as in the pancake collapse theory.

    None of them dares approach how its TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE for all this thick vertical steel to collapse in on itself at the speed of gravity.

    Tensile strength is a bitch...
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Collin wrote:
    MPs and presidents? Are these the same people who want to enslave us through world government?

    You think CHAVEZ wants world government?

    I also don't think the FORMER preisdent of Italy or a member of the parliament of Germany who is writing ANTI-CIA books are IN on the "conspiracy".

    Jesus christ.
    You people have ZERO ability to discern what is what in this world.

    Where have i ever fucking said that EVERY single goddamn politician in the world wants a world government?

    Obviously NOT! I support Ron Paul with all my heart.
    You have to be able to look at shit objectively and figure out who is full of shit and who is telling the truth, based on circumstances, evidence, and once again, circumstances.

    A guy who has spent multiple years in INTELLIGENCE in the German government, and who writes books like "CIA an September 11th", probably NOT in on a world government plot.

    ???
    :rolleyes:

    You people are ridiculous.
    Who is the one speculating wildly, dodging questions, making one line responses, and totaly avoiding issues?

    CERTAINLY NOT ME!
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    MakingWaves wrote:
    What proof do you have that your government workers are credible sources. Simply because they agree with your theory doesn't make them credible.

    No.
    But in the case of Von Bulow and Cossiga (the German ranking parliament member and intelligence secretary, and the former italian president), those guys both were involved in OUTING INTELLIGENCE CORRUPTION AND CONSPIRACY!

    That makes them pretty credible in my book.
    Any politician that is willing to go against their OWN intelligence services and call them out on being invovled in SHADY SUBVERSIVE BULLSHIT gets a LOT of credit in my book.

    As far as the CIA agents, well the fact that they are willing to even come on record and talk about this in a SENSIBLE manner, using evidence and circumstance togetehr to draw conclusions based on best guess, instead of just saying, "yeah everything the government says is true. who needs facts!" ... that holds weight to me. Also their careers are pretty goddamn distinguished.

    So???
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Hey, here is the audio of that piece of shit, Coburn, of popular mechanics, the guy who in that audio interview i posted promises to get back to us with the information on how the government possibly had DNA to even compare with that allegedly found at WTC to implicate these terrorists ...

    think about it people, HOW did the government get DNA of terrorists to even know what their DNA was?
    a simple question

    NO ANSWER, HUH?
    What a piece of shit.


    oh. BTW, if you WERE looking for an answer, the ONLY way they could have it, was because many of those "terrorists" were TRAINED AT US MILITARY BASES in the 1990s. HMMM.
    WTF? Newsweek Reports: 3 Terrorists TRAINED AT US MILITARY BASES

    How the FUCK do you explain that?
    :D
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    People are never going to get anywhere with these statements. Whether they are true or not, there is never going to be any way for someone to discuss this without drawing the critical eye of a majority of people because of the sensitivity of the subject matter.


    Personally, I think that the Bush administration is personally responsible for what happened on 9/11, but for very different reasons.
  • MakingWaves
    MakingWaves Posts: 1,294
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    In order for the physics of the official 9/11 commission...popular mechanics etc official garbage to work the columns would have had to have separated at each floor and remained standing in their incredibly effing strong caged formation. i.e. such as in the pancake collapse theory.

    None of them dares approach how its TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE for all this thick vertical steel to collapse in on itself at the speed of gravity.

    Tensile strength is a bitch...

    What you are saying simply isn't true. It sounds good but this crap about "the columns would have had to have separated at each floor and remained standing in their incredibly effing strong caged formation. i.e. such as in the pancake collapse theory" just isn't true. http://www.jod911.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf
    And say all you want about the Popular Mechanics article, it is backed up with science and engineering. Just saying OMG people still believe this doesn't change anything.
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  • Nevermind
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    MakingWaves wrote:
    What you are saying simply isn't true. It sounds good but this crap about "the columns would have had to have separated at each floor and remained standing in their incredibly effing strong caged formation. i.e. such as in the pancake collapse theory" just isn't true. http://www.jod911.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf
    And say all you want about the Popular Mechanics article, it is backed up with science and engineering. Just saying OMG people still believe this doesn't change anything.
    How did building 7 fall?
  • Gather No Moss
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    Nevermind wrote:
    How did building 7 fall?

    You are serioulsy wacked if you even think for a minute our government had anything to do with 9/11. If you don't like America, why don't you move to Canada, aye..
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
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    Gather No Moss wrote:
    You are serioulsy wacked if you even think for a minute our government had anything to do with 9/11. If you don't like America, why don't you move to Canada, aye..


    That's the most ridiculous thing you could possibly say to someone. Did it ever occur to you that maybe they bring this up because they love america so much that they feel they've been betrayed by the people meant to protect them most?


    Hell, I feel betrayed by the actions of the govt. because of 9/11 and I don't even believe they participated in it!
  • MakingWaves
    MakingWaves Posts: 1,294
    Nevermind wrote:
    How did building 7 fall?

    Read that report i posted a link to..but i would guess the giant buildings around it falling down had something to do with it. I mean if it was a conspiracy don't you think blowing up the two towers would be enough..why even screw with the WTC 7 building. Give me a freaking break.
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  • Nevermind
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    MakingWaves wrote:
    Read that report i posted a link to..but i would guess the giant buildings around it falling down had something to do with it. I mean if it was a conspiracy don't you think blowing up the two towers would be enough..why even screw with the WTC 7 building. Give me a freaking break.
    What about the buildings right next to the 2 towers. They didnt fall and they're much closer than building 7 is.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    MakingWaves wrote:
    What you are saying simply isn't true. It sounds good but this crap about "the columns would have had to have separated at each floor and remained standing in their incredibly effing strong caged formation. i.e. such as in the pancake collapse theory" just isn't true. http://www.jod911.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf
    And say all you want about the Popular Mechanics article, it is backed up with science and engineering. Just saying OMG people still believe this doesn't change anything.

    Oh...ok if you could point out to me, or in fact quote the section where it explains specifically how the tensile strength of the steel all the way down the building was compromised instantaneously at teh speed of gravity that would be really fantastic.

    please do thanks...

    I'll be waiting...(for a very very long time)
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    MakingWaves wrote:
    Read that report i posted a link to..but i would guess the giant buildings around it falling down had something to do with it. I mean if it was a conspiracy don't you think blowing up the two towers would be enough..why even screw with the WTC 7 building. Give me a freaking break.

    That ridiculous overused explanation is more of a stretch than explosives.

    Face it, something is very very wrong when basic physics and the laws of science are applied.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
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