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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    who is idealizing suicide? and clearly you've never been aywhere near suicide cos you dont fuck with people in that state of mind. they are down enough as it is, and calling them names like "coward" "weak" and "stupid" is the act of an asshole.
    you're an asshole dude... speaking of which... refer to the thread "men suck" you have the same mindset i do

    it's not like i'm gonna point the finger at their face and call them idiots... although, that is my opinion about them...

    by the way... i work with suicidal patients all the time... i've found that when i'm straight up and honest with a patient they respond more positively rather than a person who tries to kiss their ass... i think you need to change your mindset of suicidal patients completely.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    you're an asshole dude... speaking of which... refer to the thread "men suck" you have the same mindset i do

    it's not like i'm gonna point the finger at their face and call them idiots... although, that is my opinion about them...

    by the way... i work with suicidal patients all the time... i've found that when i'm straight up and honest with a patient they respond more positively rather than a person who tries to kiss their ass... i think you need to change your mindset of suicidal patients completely.

    i was one once chief. and if you'd have said shit like that to me, id have taken you down with me.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    i was one once chief. and if you'd have said shit like that to me, id have taken you down with me.
    well, i'm glad you're out of your suicidal tendencies and all...

    just don't go through the same shit again... or else i'll smack you
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    well, i'm glad you're out of your suicidal tendencies and all...

    just don't go through the same shit again... or else i'll smack you

    and it'll be the last thing you ever do, but at least you'd get to face that fear you referenced earlier.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    and it'll be the last thing you ever do, but at least you'd get to face that fear you referenced earlier.
    yep, you're out of it dude...

    and it's actually "referred" not referenced.... ;)

    edit: no, actually, you're right :( it is referenced
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  • KidCarnivore
    KidCarnivore Posts: 82
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    yep, you're out of it dude...

    and it's actually "referred" not referenced.... ;)

    Referenced is the correct word.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    KidCarnivore wrote:
    Referenced is the correct word.
    yeah, i know... i corrected myself... haha :D
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Oh for the love of pete... :p
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Oh for the love of pete... :p

    Who's pete? ;)
    NOPE!!!

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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Oh for the love of pete... :p
    i don't love pete... i'm not gay
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Jeanie wrote:
    Of course it matters. Because this thread was originally started to comment on suicide from this perspective:
    ironically, i was responding to all of your comments while at work with the "mentally ill" and "chemical dependent" patients... :rolleyes:

    What i meant earlier was if a person kills themselves, I guess, there's just no knowing if they were mentally ill or just plain suicidal. The original question that started this thread was, "should we let them?" My response is... we can't force them but we should try to encourage them otherwise. Chemical imbalance or not, suicidal people need help. Wouldn't we all agree?
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    ironically, i was responding to all of your comments while at work with the "mentally ill" and "chemical dependent" patients... :rolleyes:

    What i meant earlier was if a person kills themselves, I guess, there's just no knowing if they were mentally ill or just plain suicidal. The original question that started this thread was, "should we let them?" My response is... we can't force them but we should try to encourage them otherwise. Chemical imbalance or not, suicidal people need help. Wouldn't we all agree?

    I figured this was the case. :) It's very hard when you're in the thick of it on a day to day basis. It must get very exhausting and frustrating.


    Yes, I would agree that regardless of the cause we do need to try to find ways to help the suicidal. :)
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    ironically, i was responding to all of your comments while at work with the "mentally ill" and "chemical dependent" patients... :rolleyes:

    What i meant earlier was if a person kills themselves, I guess, there's just no knowing if they were mentally ill or just plain suicidal. The original question that started this thread was, "should we let them?" My response is... we can't force them but we should try to encourage them otherwise. Chemical imbalance or not, suicidal people need help. Wouldn't we all agree?

    yes, we would. i only disagree with your contention that the ones who try or succeed should be condemned, dismissed, belittled, or insulted for it.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    nothing in life is so bad that it requires you to kill yourself.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    ironically, i was responding to all of your comments while at work with the "mentally ill" and "chemical dependent" patients... :rolleyes:

    What i meant earlier was if a person kills themselves, I guess, there's just no knowing if they were mentally ill or just plain suicidal. The original question that started this thread was, "should we let them?" My response is... we can't force them but we should try to encourage them otherwise. Chemical imbalance or not, suicidal people need help. Wouldn't we all agree?


    Yes, they should need help. But then if a person isn't mentally ill they shouldn't be labelled so. And certainly not labelled stupid, weak or coward.

    Also if the doctors you work with label suicide as a mental illness, I feel sorry for each and every patient there. Perhaps you should consider a career change as well.
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  • Yielded
    Yielded Posts: 839
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Read Albert Camus' 'The myth of Sisyphus'. It's a philosophical essay on the subject of suicide. Very interesting.

    I was gonna suggest this as well. I'm currently reading it and I must say Camus makes some excellent points. Definitely an interesting read.
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  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    soulsinging wrote:
    not noble, but potentially more considerate of the other person than someone denying a suffering person a way out is.

    potentially yes, but the "other person" is often affected by the suicide as well left with questions, doubt, and a lifetime to ponder the what ifs (rather that is in the case of unexpected suicide). So while the person may be trying to be considerate it can lead to long term unforeseen consequences.
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  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Collin wrote:
    Really? How many times have you said someone with a tooth ache is selfish for seeing a dentist?

    Selfishness has a negative connotation and people tend to use that word when they disapprove or disagree with someone's actions...

    ... but it seems you label almost every action selfish, so I can't really disagree with you.

    But if all actions are indeed selfish, why even consider it when discussing anything?

    But I agree, suicide is a permanent choice and the fact that it cannot be reversed should be the focus in your argument, not the selfishness of the act.

    selfishness does have a negative connotation to it and in this issue I'd say the negative connotation is far more applicable than saying, I want my tooth to stop hurting. One of the hard things about this topic is the myriad reasons for people committing suicide. It's not like suicide exists in a vacuum and is only applicable to medical suffering. So when I'm discussing it I'm trying to look at it as a whole rather than just one piece of the puzzle. If you think about teen suicide, how many of those are due to medical suffering (physical suffering of a terminal disease)? To lump that in with someone who is older and experiencing end stage cancer that isn't treatable isn't fair to the discussion, but that's what we have to do.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Staceb10 wrote:
    painless? For who? The people they leave behind? I don't think so. I've gotten into this debate with others on here before but in my opinion suicide is a very selfish act and only hurts the people left behind.
    Fear of one's mortality when someone close dies is what hurts. Not being able to be with the loved one (and not believing that maybe one day we will) is what is painful. We don't want to lose loved ones and therefore hang on to whatever little drop of life is left because WE don't want to hurt... that is selfish.

    I don't believe that suicide is an easy way out, whether this 'suicide' is non-intervention, euthanasia, or more conventional suicide. When you know you are going to die, you also hurt knowing you are leaving loved ones, that you will not see a daughter/son, grand-daughter/grandson grow.... Those thoughts will be with the one going... But maybe the pain they are going through making them want to die is stronger.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Yielded wrote:
    I was gonna suggest this as well. I'm currently reading it and I must say Camus makes some excellent points. Definitely an interesting read.

    Yeah. It's a pretty amazing book. I think he wrote it in his early 20's.

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