Religous Knuckleheads!

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  • Posts: 13,202
    mammasan wrote:
    Is he running in 08? If he is well then we have him as well.

    im just saying that the christian fundamentalists have a stranglehold on the republican politics, so christian politics are here to stay. look at what john mccain is doing now to curry their favor... new stance on abortion, bob jones visits. it's not waning, it's on the rise.
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    soulsinging wrote:
    im just saying that the christian fundamentalists have a stranglehold on the republican politics, so christian politics are here to stay. look at what john mccain is doing now to curry their favor... new stance on abortion, bob jones visits. it's not waning, it's on the rise.
    Why should it bother anyone where the drive for policy comes from. If it's an electable platform and is constitutional that's all that should matter.
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    surferdude wrote:
    Why should it bother anyone where the drive for policy comes from. If it's an electable platform and is constitutional that's all that should matter.

    becos the united states is not and never was intended to be a theocracy. they have one in iran. it's working real well wouldn't you say?
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    soulsinging wrote:
    becos the united states is not and never was intended to be a theocracy. they have one in iran. it's working real well wouldn't you say?
    How is it a theocracy when the Constitution and Bill of Rights is adhered to? This is the biggest bullshit fear mongering lie being told by the left. By adhering to democratic elections, the Constitutions, the Bill Rights and the balance of power a theocracy is impossible.
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    surferdude wrote:
    How is it a theocracy when the Constitution and Bill of Rights is adhered to? This is the biggest bullshit fear mongering lie being told by the left. By adhering to democratic elections, the Constitutions, the Bill Rights and the balance of power a theocracy is impossible.

    only if people oppose a total religious agenda, which is what im doing by criticizing them. if we're supposed to shut up and take it, what's to stop them? im not allowed to criticize their platform bu they're allowed to run on it?

    furthermore, i find religious politics to be lazy. it's a matter of people deciding what they want to believe, referring to their 3000 year old book to back it up, and then telling their followers how to vote. it's lazy democracy. many of these people will vote for whoever their pastor tells them to and not out of any sense of sensible national policy. it leads to inefficient and unproductive legislation that is "feel good" for moral folks but accomplishes nothing and distracts from confronting real problems. i have the same issue with people who take all their voting cues from prisonplanet and vote based on their 9/11 conspiracy guru or out of some paranoia that there's a giant conspiracy to rule the world by 12 guys who meet in a redwood forest. it's not a sound basis for public policy, it's skewed, unrealistic, and lazy.
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    soulsinging wrote:
    it's not a sound basis for public policy, it's skewed, unrealistic, and lazy.
    and it's still the best system around. The issue is not the religious right, or eco-freaks. It's people who don't care and are lazy.

    Sorry if I came off as a tad aggressive.
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    So brutalize me with music.”
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    surferdude wrote:
    and it's still the best system around. The issue is not the religious right, or eco-freaks. It's people who don't care and are lazy.

    Sorry if I came off as a tad aggressive.

    what's still the best system around? theocracy?
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    soulsinging wrote:
    only if people oppose a total religious agenda, which is what im doing by criticizing them. if we're supposed to shut up and take it, what's to stop them? im not allowed to criticize their platform bu they're allowed to run on it?

    furthermore, i find religious politics to be lazy. it's a matter of people deciding what they want to believe, referring to their 3000 year old book to back it up, and then telling their followers how to vote. it's lazy democracy. many of these people will vote for whoever their pastor tells them to and not out of any sense of sensible national policy. it leads to inefficient and unproductive legislation that is "feel good" for moral folks but accomplishes nothing and distracts from confronting real problems. i have the same issue with people who take all their voting cues from prisonplanet and vote based on their 9/11 conspiracy guru or out of some paranoia that there's a giant conspiracy to rule the world by 12 guys who meet in a redwood forest. it's not a sound basis for public policy, it's skewed, unrealistic, and lazy.

    how many times have you been to church? i've went for somewhere around 20 years and studied theology at my catholic college prep yet politics has never once been mentioned. so i'm asking where you get this information and how can you back it with fact?
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    soulsinging wrote:
    furthermore, i find religious politics to be lazy. it's a matter of people deciding what they want to believe, referring to their 3000 year old book to back it up, and then telling their followers how to vote. it's lazy democracy. many of these people will vote for whoever their pastor tells them to and not out of any sense of sensible national policy. it leads to inefficient and unproductive legislation that is "feel good" for moral folks but accomplishes nothing and distracts from confronting real problems. i have the same issue with people who take all their voting cues from prisonplanet and vote based on their 9/11 conspiracy guru or out of some paranoia that there's a giant conspiracy to rule the world by 12 guys who meet in a redwood forest. it's not a sound basis for public policy, it's skewed, unrealistic, and lazy.

    I'm a very regular church goer and I often attend various churches because I've moved farther away from my home church and I'm trying to find a new one that's closer. I'll have to say that I do not recall a pastor at any church I've ever been to tell people how to vote.

    It's just uninformed paranoia or prejudice to think it's a common occurence.
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    onelongsong wrote:
    how many times have you been to church? i've went for somewhere around 20 years and studied theology at my catholic college prep yet politics has never once been mentioned. so i'm asking where you get this information and how can you back it with fact?

    i started going when i was a little kid. the last time was christmas i believe (i like to appease my mother when it's important to her). i also did 13 years of catholic school. our religious course junior year on "christian social justice." what they did was tell you what votes were acceptable for a catholic on a number of issues. the prior year we had similar courses on sexual politics that gave the same misinformation about contraception's ineffectiveness and the evils of such groups as planned parenthood. around election time in 04, people's cars were plastered with fliers telling them they could not vote for kerry becos he was pro-life.

    there was also a large scandal here in ohio where the former secretary of state was aligned with an ohio big wig who was essentially telling his massive regional congregation how to vote. then there was ted haggard and his active political lobbying against equality for homosexuals, using his megachurch following and his status as a pastor or reverend or whatever to lend authority to his orders.

    then watch jesus camp and see how they're already telling children that this is the way the political system should be becos jesus wants it that way.
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    soulsinging wrote:
    i started going when i was a little kid. the last time was christmas i believe (i like to appease my mother when it's important to her). i also did 13 years of catholic school. our religious course junior year on "christian social justice." what they did was tell you what votes were acceptable for a catholic on a number of issues. the prior year we had similar courses on sexual politics that gave the same misinformation about contraception's ineffectiveness and the evils of such groups as planned parenthood. around election time in 04, people's cars were plastered with fliers telling them they could not vote for kerry becos he was pro-life.

    there was also a large scandal here in ohio where the former secretary of state was aligned with an ohio big wig who was essentially telling his massive regional congregation how to vote. then there was ted haggard and his active political lobbying against equality for homosexuals, using his megachurch following and his status as a pastor or reverend or whatever to lend authority to his orders.

    then watch jesus camp and see how they're already telling children that this is the way the political system should be becos jesus wants it that way.

    wow; i've never encountered that. that sounds like other groups that preach what they believe.
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    RainDog wrote:
    Yeah, that's what she was doing. "You have earrings? Go to hell!"



    I don't entirely disagree with you, though. It's just, some Christians, man - they bug the shit outta me.

    I'm sure that some Jews, Muslims, Hindis and Buddhists bug the shit out of you too... We'll, maybe not Buddhists.
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    mammasan wrote:
    As I stated above, it only appears that way because of the close ties our current president has with that movement. Even if a Republican, with the exception of Mitt Romney, wins in 08 there influence will wain. The moderates in this country far out number the ultra conservatives and ultra liberals in this country and I believe that they are tired of being ignored in favor of focusing on the the extreme polarizing factions.

    sorry it goes beyond that to me ... almost everyone now who wins anything whether they are an athlete or musician or actor is thanking god ... god bless you is everywhere in america especially in the smaller towns ... its slightly subtle ... but its there ... if u live in a big city - it may not be as prevalent but in the smaller towns for sure ...
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    Men with earrings are homos.
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    mammasan wrote:
    The operative word being "the few". The ultra-conservative Christian right represents a minority of Christians in this country. The problem is that they are well connected and extremely well organized. They have unified under one banner and are making their voices heard. The majority of Christians in this country keep their faiths to themselves and are not in the business of imposing their faith on an entire nation.

    Agreed 100%. Good luck with this line of reasoning though. It doesn't really fly around these parts. Stereotyping while claimimg to be openminded is apparently much easier and alot more popular.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
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    RainDog wrote:


    It's just, some Christians, man - they bug the shit outta me.

    Me to, and I am one! Thats still no excuse to stereotype. As a matter of fact, alleged Christians such as this lady bug me more than you. Trust me.

    Its only fair to point out that some non-Christians, man- they bug the shit outta me also.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
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    phew!! thank goodness my ears aren't pierced. heaven here i come.!!!!!
    hear my name
    take a good look
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    catefrances wrote:
    phew!! thank goodness my ears aren't pierced. heaven here i come.!!!!!

    Mine are. :)
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
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    cornnifer wrote:
    Mine are. :)

    you're going to hell. you're going to hell. :D:D:D:D
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say

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