Maximum Wage

farfromglorified wrote:

Ok. So the answer is to also eliminate the employer's choice? Pay minimum wage or close?

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And the minimum wage combats neither expoitation or poverty. It exploits employers instead...

This sounds very capitalist and bourgeois to me. How can you honestly believe it exploits the employer? Oh... of course..... you are an employer... silly me!

farfromglorified wrote:

Because it forces the employer to pay a higher value than he or she believes the labor is worth. Tell me, if the United States passed a minimum price law that said no item sold in any store could be sold for less than $10, would you protest because it would exploit the consumer? I'd certainly hope so. The minimum wage is no different.

When you have to fork out for something, whether labour or goods, you always think it's too much. Employers will be happy to pay as little as they can get away with for maximum profit. Thus the law protecting workers. Not sure about the law in the US but in the EC, one is not allowed to sell goods at a price lower than cost. So there is a minimum 'price' for goods, which I pay. Minimum wage IS different. You are talking about human beings. You're talking about their life and their ability to do more than survive. Just like I'm happy to pay a few pennies more for my fairtrade goods as it will help those supplying these make a decent living, I'm happy to spend a few pennies more on 'local' ethical goods.

There's no denying workers are being exploited by businesses.

farfromglorified wrote:

I almost forgot...doing things in self-interest is evil in your world. Does this mean those who make minimum wage should not have any say in the minimum wage, since, well, they also have a self interest?

In my world, we do things in self-interest all the time, just like in yours. But I would hope my self-interest doesn't exploit the more vulnerable to a hilt. Not too sure what you mean by the last bit quoted above. The people who make minimum wage already have a say in it... it's called voting.

farfromglorified wrote:

Well, you probably can. But you probably won't leave with any bread.

But WHY??? Aren't you FORCING me to pay that much? What if I just want the bread? :cool: Getting back to your car tax thing.

farfromglorified wrote:

Do you not see how those two things are related?

Yes, I can, and can't you see how the minimum wage is related to the minimum 'worth' (as you so eloquently put it) of PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!