Suicide

CorporateWhore wrote:

Why do you feel the need to control other's lives by supporting policies that coerce annual payments out of their checkbooks? Don't give me that crap.

huh?

cutback wrote:

huh?

Seriously hon, don't play, it's really just not worth it.

deadnothingbetter wrote:

there's big debate on that... i guess... i'm not a doctor... i don't even have a degree... but mainly i would argue that there are thought processes in the brain not functioning right. especially if they can't cope with certain aspects in life... i mean... to a certain degree are we to say is psychology strictly a form of science based on medical studies? or is it all just theories brought together over long periods of time?

my perspective is, instead of allowing them to end their life... we should help them... i never said suicide is an actual illness... what i meant was that it was caused by mental illness... but i'm not entirely sure tho... what i do know is that if anybody wants to end their life, they're fuckin stupid anyways. and i also know that it's all a mental thing.... chemical imbalance or not... it's still something mental.

there's a lot debate on it though... being since i work in a mental health facility. we shouldn't condone it though... we should instead offer solutions. and i guess that's why there are doctor's who serve to study this aspect about humans.

Great, so now not only am I ill because my doctor fucked up my medications but I'm also stupid! :rolleyes:

Jeanie wrote:

Great, so now not only am I ill because my doctor fucked up my medications but I'm also stupid! :rolleyes:

well, in that case, if your doctor "fucked" up your medication than it is based on chemical imbalances... no, you're not stupid.

but based on the other idea, that suicide is not an illness, that is when a doctor can't really find if it is indeed a chemical imbalance... then i would say, yeah, they're idiots. in that case, go right ahead buddy, jump off the building... one less dumbass in this world... j/k

Jeanie wrote:

What a charmer you are. :rolleyes:

or do you mean yourself?

It's funny how the left so frequently degrades the sanctity of human life. Suddenly human life is only viewed as worthwhile if it is pleasurable. If I can't live a pleasurable life, then I should have the right to kill myself and only I should have a say in that choice.

The culture of death believes that if your life is not at a satisfactory level of pleasure, you should have the ability to kill yourself. But, what is the level of pain that suffices to kill yourself? Well, only the individual can know that (arbitrary level). But, what if that individual has 8 hungry mouths to feed at home? Who is going to take care of their children after they die?

The main problem with their logic is this: arbitrary levels of suffering gradually cause suicide to become a better and better option. When suicide no longer has a stigma by society, it becomes more acceptable. Just look at Denmark. They have a massive suicide rate of 20.4 per 100,000 people. It is also not considered a crime.

They are second only to Finland.

Laws against suicide aren't just meant to make it illegal and punish those who attempt it - they are meant to reflect our moral beliefs regarding suicide.

Jeanie wrote:

In all seriousness, I would hope that the ignorant/arrogant never have to "become enlightened" the hard way.

And I completely agree with you, ultimately my life, my body, my choice. That's not to say that it's not difficult for those left behind but I could never judge someone harshly for choosing for themselves.

Yeah I agree! My body my choice!! That's why I've decided that the work that my body does should not be taxed by blood-sucking liberal douchebags. Therefore, I don't need to pay medicare or social security! Don't put me in jail because it's my body and my choice!

Liberals are so supportive of personal privacy rights until it comes to my money. Then they have a lot to say!

Jeanie wrote:

And I completely agree with you, ultimately my life, my body, my choice.

technically, based on what you said earlier... that your doctor fucked up with your medications, then technically, it's not your choice. you'd be basing it on the fact that your brain isn't functioning right. it's a neurological disorder... if you are suicidal, then in this case you need to get help

deadnothingbetter wrote:

well, in that case, if your doctor "fucked" up your medication than it is based on chemical imbalances... no, you're not stupid.

but based on the other idea, that suicide is not an illness, that is when a doctor can't really find if it is indeed a chemical imbalance... then i would say, yeah, they're idiots. in that case, go right ahead buddy, jump off the building... one less dumbass in this world... j/k

I know I'm not stupid. And I don't think my doctor was either. He prescribed what he thought would be the best course of treatment for me at that time. He could not know for a certainty that what he was prescribing would make me depressed and suicidal, and I'm quite sure if he'd known the outcome before he prescribed it, he wouldn't have done so. The only good thing about what happened to me is that it also happened to a lot of other people on the same medication and now doctors are more aware of the possible complications and are more pro active when prescribing it, and more vigilant for these side effects in individuals. My point being that science cannot as yet completely explain why someone would want to take their own life. They have good medical evidence that suggests why in a lot of cases, but as suicide is an individual thing, they will never know every reason, for every suicide. A person's reason for suiciding is as individual as the individual. And most doctors can't agree about reasons, or solutions. So with that in mind, and given the complete lack of mental health funding in most countries in the world, even the more "progressive" civilizations, I would have to say that we have a long way to go before we can simply call someone stupid or idiotic for killing themselves, or selfish for that matter. There will be reasons. We may just never know what they are. And they may not even be "mental illness" or "chemical imbalance". Suicide is an outcome. What we really need to understand is how an individual reached that outcome in order to prevent it happening to others.

CorporateWhore wrote:

No one does: tradition decides it. Those who wish to overturn tradition must rationally determine why tradition is incorrect. Their reasons for opposing tradition are not good enough; therefore, traditional beliefs regarding suicide remain.

Those who support suicide are not addressing the fact that the majority of suicides occur because the person is mentally ill. Legalizing it would do nothing to address their problems except make it socially acceptable.

Who decided their reasons weren't good enough? I think euthanasia/suicide, in certain cases, is very justifiable, and should be on the table as a choice. Which isn't to say "Everyone! Kill yourself if you're unhappy, guy!" People with painful, terminal illnesses - advanced stages of cancer, etc. - should be allowed to escape that pain, and their families should be able see past their own loss to allow them that choice.