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  • The Illinoisemakers
    The Illinoisemakers Posts: 461
    prism wrote:
    for anyone that's anti-choice here a couple of simple things for you to do:

    stfu when it comes to telling any woman what she can do with faced with the decision wheter or not to terminate a pregnancy or carry it to term, as it's none of your fucking business.

    and

    you don't like abortions? don't ever have an abortion!

    As soon as a women can self pregnant without the help of a man in any way then I will STFU. Until then it should be up for debate.
  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    The Illinoisemakers wrote:
    As soon as a women can self pregnant without the help of a man in any way then I will STFU. Until then it should be up for debate.


    as soon as you're dealing with a pregnancy (wheter it's wanted or unwanted) in YOUR uterus, get back to me and then it will be up for debate.
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  • Yoyoyo
    Yoyoyo Posts: 310
    prism wrote:
    for anyone that's anti-choice here a couple of simple things for you to do:

    stfu when it comes to telling any woman what she can do with faced with the decision wheter or not to terminate a pregnancy or carry it to term, as it's none of your fucking business.

    and

    you don't like abortions? don't ever have an abortion!

    Anti-choice? I am all for the choice. What I have a problem with is making that choice after the inevitable occurs. Every single reasonable person should understand that sex leads to pregnancy, and if you choose to have sex then you also agree to get pregnant. Sex is primarily an action performed to create offspring, we shouldn't stray from that reality it is not natural.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    The Illinoisemakers wrote:
    As soon as a women can self pregnant without the help of a man in any way then I will STFU. Until then it should be up for debate.

    What does how the woman gets pregnant have to do with anything? All Prism said was that if the woman has an abortion, the anti-choice brigade - man and woman alike - should butt out.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Mestophar wrote:
    Sex is primarily an action performed to create offspring, we shouldn't stray from that reality it is not natural.

    And an abortion is an action performed to end an unwanted pregnancy. Stating the obvious is fun.:)
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  • Yoyoyo
    Yoyoyo Posts: 310
    prism wrote:
    as soon as you're dealing with a pregnancy (wheter it's wanted or unwanted) in YOUR uterus, get back to me and then it will be up for debate.

    A woman who decides alone to abort deserves no man at all. Not even a dog should accompany her through life, because she is likely too selfish to care for it anyway.
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    Mestophar wrote:
    Anti-choice? I am all for the choice. What I have a problem with is making that choice after the inevitable occurs. Every single reasonable person should understand that sex leads to pregnancy, and if you choose to have sex then you also agree to get pregnant. Sex is primarily an action performed to create offspring, we shouldn't stray from that reality it is not natural.

    :rolleyes:

    everytime that you've had sex you assumed that it was going to result in a pregnancy, even when using birth control? you must have dozens and dozens of chilldren. that or else you've knocked up alot of kleenex!
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  • in_hiding79
    in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    JOEBIALEK wrote:
    On this 35th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, I would like to share my views on the issue of abortion.

    Life begins at the point of conception. No one can deny that after a human being is conceived it will develop into the very same being as those debating this issue. What astounds me is that those who favor abortion went through an identical development stage as the being they are condemning to death. Would these very same people agree that a similiar choice should have been made about their own existence? Abortion today is used primarily as a birth control of convenience because people are too self-centered to take precautions. They prefer their own pleasurable self-indulgence over the care and sanctity of the life they created. What ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions in this country? Is it too much to ask a woman who has conceived to place the child into adoption? Nine months of discomfort is nothing compared to life in prison for voluntary manslaughter! Does the father of the child have a say in this? And what about the constitution of the United States? Are not all people conceived in this country deserving of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I believe abortion is a crime against humanity and should be outlawed. We need to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision and get back to cherishing life in this country. For a country that murders it's children cannot be far from self destruction.


    so you're saying you don't like the "morning after pill"??? hehehehehe
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  • The Illinoisemakers
    The Illinoisemakers Posts: 461
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    What does how the woman gets pregnant have to do with anything? All Prism said was that if the woman has an abortion, the anti-choice brigade - man and woman alike - should butt out.

    I just think a man should have a say in whether to have an abortion. If the pregnancy is from something other then a rape.

    It sounds to me like Prism is suggesting it is a women's choice 100%. I could be wrong maybe that's not what he/she is saying.
  • in_hiding79
    in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    The Illinoisemakers wrote:
    I just think a man should have a say in whether to have an abortion. If the pregnancy is from something other then a rape.

    It sounds to me like Prism is suggesting it is a women's choice 100%. I could be wrong maybe that's not what he/she is saying.


    Ummmm, IT IS OUR DECISION!! Sorry to disappoint ya!!
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    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
  • Yoyoyo
    Yoyoyo Posts: 310
    prism wrote:
    :rolleyes:

    everytime that you've had sex you assumed that it was going to result in a pregnancy, even when using birth control? you must have dozens and dozens of chilldren. that or else you've knocked up alot of kleenex!

    I assumed nothing, I KNOW that it could lead to pregnancy.

    Unless I do her in the butt.
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  • in_hiding79
    in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    searchlightsoul wrote:
    A nice point raised by Richard Dawkins recently. Follwoing the logic of 'pro-lifers' that view every abortion as destroying a potential full human life, does that mean that every missed oppurtunity for sex is also equivalent to the deprivation of life to a future living soul? :)

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    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
  • in_hiding79
    in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    Mestophar wrote:
    Unless I do her in the butt.


    Nice...
    And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
  • Yoyoyo
    Yoyoyo Posts: 310
    in_hiding79 wrote:
    Nice...

    she likes it
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  • Yoyoyo
    Yoyoyo Posts: 310
    alot
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    The Illinoisemakers wrote:
    I just think a man should have a say in whether to have an abortion. If the pregnancy is from something other then a rape.

    It sounds to me like Prism is suggesting it is a women's choice 100%. I could be wrong maybe that's not what he/she is saying.

    I agree that maybe it shouldn't be 100% the woman's choice - to the extent that the man should have a say. Ultimately though, it is the woman's choice. That's something for the mother and father to work out between themselves. But meanwhile, the anti-choice folks should really leave them alone. It's not like an unwanted pregnancy, and the possible abortion, is fun for the woman. It's kicking someone when they're down.
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    Mestophar wrote:
    A woman who decides alone to abort deserves no man at all. Not even a dog should accompany her through life, because she is likely too selfish to care for it anyway.



    I never said that she should decide alone as it is between her and her partner and her doctor ONLY. everyone else gets to stfu

    what about men that split after a brief fling?

    and what about women that are raped? should she be forced to get permission from her rapist to have an abortion?
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  • The Illinoisemakers
    The Illinoisemakers Posts: 461
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I agree that maybe it shouldn't be 100% the woman's choice - to the extent that the man should have a say. Ultimately though, it is the woman's choice. That's something for the mother and father to work out between themselves. But meanwhile, the anti-choice folks should really leave them alone. It's not like an unwanted pregnancy, and the possible abortion, is fun for the woman. It's kicking someone when they're down.

    I agree it ultimately is the women's choice. I have a problem when someone is so adamant that the man shouldn't have a say at all, because it is the woman's body.
  • The Illinoisemakers
    The Illinoisemakers Posts: 461
    in_hiding79 wrote:
    Ummmm, IT IS OUR DECISION!! Sorry to disappoint ya!!

    What about the man that impregnated you (any women)? They don't get any say?
  • Medicated-Genius
    Medicated-Genius Posts: 359
    The Illinoisemakers wrote:
    What about the man that impregnated you (any women)? They don't get any say?


    I'd say in the majority of situations where couples are facing this decision, it's something they do together. The generalizations on this thread are ridiculous, since every persons circumstance and reasons are different. Sure there are women who refuse to even tell their partner, who refuse to consider what he might think about it, but I'd bet they're in the minority. You just can't possibly know each persons circumstances and reasons, and at the end of the day, nor should you. It's none of anyone else's business why a woman or a couple choose this option. In fact, it's so much no one else's business that the law says so. Regardless of people's personal feelings about the issue, the law allows for a woman to make that decision if she feels it's in her best interests. I can't see those laws changing any time soon.

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