Personally, I think abortion (not including cases of rape, incest, or when a mother's life is at stake) is wrong, but I would not equate it with going out and murdering someone. What about the death penalty? Isn't that killing? I'm a Catholic, and I believe that we should cherish ALL human life, even those condemned to death.
From a biological standpoint, life processes (umbilical cord, brain, spinal cord formation) begin to happen 5-7 days after fertilization. At 6 weeks, brain activity starts. A person is declared dead when they show no brain activity. How about consider it a life when brain activity starts? At some point, I'd like to think we've moved beyond the "is it a life or not" argument.
Whatever happened to safe, rare, and legal? With issues like this, you will always have people on both sides not willing to budge. I consider myself on the pro-life side, but probably one of the very few in the safe, rare, and legal side. As it was said before, I believe the majority of women don't want to have an abortion. Its a terrible thing to go through. For me, there are other choices that would prevent this situation. But, I'm not that woman who is in that position and has to make that decision. I'll let God be the judge. I think if more of the pro-lifers spent their time education young women, teaching about the value of life, helping those who are in these situations, we'd have less abortions. That is something I think both sides want. Fewer abortions. If we outlaw them, we'll have a slew of women going to Canada or even some back alley to have an abortion. I think that's more dangerous that having them legal. Just my 4 cents.
Doesn't want baby, yet still engage in activity that gets you pregnant? Its too bad there isn't an easy button for all risky behaviours in our world...
Doesn't want baby, yet still engage in activity that gets you pregnant? Its too bad there isn't an easy button for all risky behaviours in our world...
I don't want to get fat... I still eat junk food.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Doesn't want baby, yet still engage in activity that gets you pregnant? Its too bad there isn't an easy button for all risky behaviours in our world...
this is why you use 2-3 forms of birth control every time you have sex, cuts the risk.
besides, I think dealing with an abortion is "learning to live with your actions." If you have a kid, it shouldn't be a form of punishment. the job of baby is not to punish the person who had it. if that is how the baby is seen, the better it's not born. Would you rather a person who didn't want a baby have one and never be a good parent, or see them get punished because they made a mistake or had bad luck.
what if a married person doesn't want a kid yet accidentally gets pregnant?
you're probably one of those people that thinks everyone gets married at age 21 and every woman eventually wants to have a baby.
Are you demented or have you accepted the fact that eating junk food makes you fat and still choose to do so?
Just saying that pleasure sometimes doesn't fit with what's "best". People aren't gonna stop having sex just cos a pro-life movement tells them it's wrong.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Just saying that pleasure sometimes doesn't fit with what's "best". People aren't gonna stop having sex just cos a pro-life movement tells them it's wrong.
I'm not pro-life as you would define it. I am pro-taking responsibility for your actions.
I don't understand how you can understand it to be risky behaviour, yet not accept the consequences of it.
I added to my post above. 1) abortion is a consequence how am I not accepting consequnces 2) a baby is not for punishment.
3) I do not engage in very risky behavior. yes there is some risk, but I take responsibility by making damn sure at least 2 forms of birth control are functioning.
I'm not pro-life as you would define it. I am pro-taking responsibility for your actions.
People take responsibility - they know they're not in the right place in their lives to raise a child, or whatever reason they have, and they have an abortion. Nothing says it's an easy decision for them. Don't call them irresponsible just because their beliefs don't mirror your own.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
People take responsibility - they know they're not in the right place in their lives to raise a child, or whatever reason they have, and they have an abortion. Nothing says it's an easy decision for them. Don't call them irresponsible just because their beliefs don't mirror your own.
yup. I think there are a LOT of cases where having an abortion is the responsible thing to do and having the baby is the easy way out/ irresponsible action.
I added to my post above. 1) abortion is a consequence how am I not accepting consequnces 2) a baby is not for punishment.
3) I do not engage in very risky behavior. yes there is some risk, but I take responsibility by making damn sure at least 2 forms of birth control are functioning.
Why bother at all with birth control? All you gotta do is go to a clinic, swipe your visa and presto!, that annoying child growing in your womb is destroyed.
Why bother at all with birth control? All you gotta do is go to a clinic, swipe your visa and presto!, that annoying child growing in your womb is destroyed.
are you on crack?
how can you even think that a sane person would behave that way. Do you know what having an abortion is like? I've seen people go through it and I'm doing everything I can to assure I don't have to. I know I do not want to be pregnant (it's not about the kid, I want to adopt a kid someday), so I am glad, that in the very unfortunate event that I should need an abortion, I will be able to get one legally and safely.
Why bother at all with birth control? All you gotta do is go to a clinic, swipe your visa and presto!, that annoying child growing in your womb is destroyed.
Gimme a break. :rolleyes:
Can you not accept that the desire to have sex doesn't necessarily equate with the desire to have a kid?
Nothing other than the astronomical amounts of abortions occuring daily...
Generalisations do neither side any good. Sure, some of those abortions might have questionable reasons behind them. We don't know - only the girl really knows her own decisions. To judge every one of those girls as "irresponsible" or, as some people have said, a "murderer" is absurd.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
how can you even think that a sane person would behave that way. Do you know what having an abortion is like? I've seen people go through it and I'm doing everything I can to assure I don't have to. I know I do not want to be pregnant (it's not about the kid, I want to adopt a kid someday), so I am glad, that in the very unfortunate event that I should need an abortion, I will be able to get one legally and safely.
I don't understand how you can understand it to be risky behaviour, yet not accept the consequences of it.
Deciding whether or not to terminate a pregnancy *is* accepting the consequences of sexual activity.
If you smoke cigarettes for 20 years and get lung cancer, you'll be facing the consequences of smoking... but I'm not going to stand outside the hospital and protest when you opt for chemotherapy. Accepting the consequences of your behavior doesn't mean you can't look for ways to mitigate the magnitude of the harm caused.
Is it abortion that you're against anyway? A lot of pro-life people seem like they just want people who have premarital sex to be punished for it. If they're so concerned about these fertilized eggs, why not shift the focus from abortion (which ends the "life" of an incredibly small percentage of all fertilized eggs) to the fact that some 75% of all fertilized eggs naturally fail to attach to the uterine wall. Focusing all this energy and money on stopping abortion, rather than devoting it to research to better the odds of successful attachment and pregnancy induction, seems IMO somewhat akin to bypassing cancer research in favor of, say, developing a cure for some comparatively obscure disease which takes far, far fewer lives.
Just seems inconsistent. I have a hard time believing that pro-lifers really, honestly believe that life begins at conception. One thing "kills" 75% of unborn people, another thing kills less than 1%. Both could feasibly be prevented. Which do they go after? The thing that kills less than 1%. Makes no sense. Sounds more like something else is driving it... control over women's bodies, perhaps. Control over sex perhaps. I dunno. But I have a hard time buying the "150 cell blastocyst = fully grown human being" thing.
"You are everything, and everything is you. Me, you... you, me -- it's all related."
Reality trumps desire. Having sex really gets you pregnant, can you not accept that?
who here has said they don't accept it? I certainly accept it. I think about it all the time. No one here has said that they don't accept that fact. How you FACE that fact is your own decision. I face it by being extremely responsible about sex. You face it by calling other you don't know people irresponsible and making moral judgements.
If you smoke cigarettes for 20 years and get lung cancer, you'll be facing the consequences of smoking... but I'm not going to stand outside the hospital and protest when you opt for chemotherapy. Accepting the consequences of your behavior doesn't mean you can't look for ways to mitigate the magnitude of the harm caused.
Is it abortion that you're against anyway?
Carrying a child is not a disease.
And no I am not against abortion, just wholesale abortion. Search for abortion on ebay.com and see what you find...hint...its scary.
Why bother at all with birth control? All you gotta do is go to a clinic, swipe your visa and presto!, that annoying child growing in your womb is destroyed.
What do you do for a living, own Microsoft? An abortion costs some $400, and it's not exactly as quick and easy as ordering fast food. It's a surgery, for god's sake.
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From a biological standpoint, life processes (umbilical cord, brain, spinal cord formation) begin to happen 5-7 days after fertilization. At 6 weeks, brain activity starts. A person is declared dead when they show no brain activity. How about consider it a life when brain activity starts? At some point, I'd like to think we've moved beyond the "is it a life or not" argument.
Whatever happened to safe, rare, and legal? With issues like this, you will always have people on both sides not willing to budge. I consider myself on the pro-life side, but probably one of the very few in the safe, rare, and legal side. As it was said before, I believe the majority of women don't want to have an abortion. Its a terrible thing to go through. For me, there are other choices that would prevent this situation. But, I'm not that woman who is in that position and has to make that decision. I'll let God be the judge. I think if more of the pro-lifers spent their time education young women, teaching about the value of life, helping those who are in these situations, we'd have less abortions. That is something I think both sides want. Fewer abortions. If we outlaw them, we'll have a slew of women going to Canada or even some back alley to have an abortion. I think that's more dangerous that having them legal. Just my 4 cents.
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That's too bad I hope you feel better soon.
Doesn't want baby, yet still engage in activity that gets you pregnant? Its too bad there isn't an easy button for all risky behaviours in our world...
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Yeah, bearing life can be SOOO inconvenient. Maybe decide what you want before you have sex?
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I don't want to get fat... I still eat junk food.
Are you demented or have you accepted the fact that eating junk food makes you fat and still choose to do so?
You got to spend it all
this is why you use 2-3 forms of birth control every time you have sex, cuts the risk.
besides, I think dealing with an abortion is "learning to live with your actions." If you have a kid, it shouldn't be a form of punishment. the job of baby is not to punish the person who had it. if that is how the baby is seen, the better it's not born. Would you rather a person who didn't want a baby have one and never be a good parent, or see them get punished because they made a mistake or had bad luck.
what if a married person doesn't want a kid yet accidentally gets pregnant?
you're probably one of those people that thinks everyone gets married at age 21 and every woman eventually wants to have a baby.
Just saying that pleasure sometimes doesn't fit with what's "best". People aren't gonna stop having sex just cos a pro-life movement tells them it's wrong.
Yeah...probably...
I don't understand how you can understand it to be risky behaviour, yet not accept the consequences of it.
You got to spend it all
I'm not pro-life as you would define it. I am pro-taking responsibility for your actions.
You got to spend it all
I added to my post above. 1) abortion is a consequence how am I not accepting consequnces 2) a baby is not for punishment.
3) I do not engage in very risky behavior. yes there is some risk, but I take responsibility by making damn sure at least 2 forms of birth control are functioning.
People take responsibility - they know they're not in the right place in their lives to raise a child, or whatever reason they have, and they have an abortion. Nothing says it's an easy decision for them. Don't call them irresponsible just because their beliefs don't mirror your own.
yup. I think there are a LOT of cases where having an abortion is the responsible thing to do and having the baby is the easy way out/ irresponsible action.
Why bother at all with birth control? All you gotta do is go to a clinic, swipe your visa and presto!, that annoying child growing in your womb is destroyed.
You got to spend it all
are you on crack?
how can you even think that a sane person would behave that way. Do you know what having an abortion is like? I've seen people go through it and I'm doing everything I can to assure I don't have to. I know I do not want to be pregnant (it's not about the kid, I want to adopt a kid someday), so I am glad, that in the very unfortunate event that I should need an abortion, I will be able to get one legally and safely.
Nothing other than the astronomical amounts of abortions occuring daily...
You got to spend it all
Gimme a break. :rolleyes:
Can you not accept that the desire to have sex doesn't necessarily equate with the desire to have a kid?
Generalisations do neither side any good. Sure, some of those abortions might have questionable reasons behind them. We don't know - only the girl really knows her own decisions. To judge every one of those girls as "irresponsible" or, as some people have said, a "murderer" is absurd.
Reality trumps desire. Having sex really gets you pregnant, can you not accept that?
You got to spend it all
actually the number of abortions has gone down thanks to more easily available birth control.
I know a girl who has had 8 abortions.
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Hence: birth control. But you seem to have a problem with that too.
Deciding whether or not to terminate a pregnancy *is* accepting the consequences of sexual activity.
If you smoke cigarettes for 20 years and get lung cancer, you'll be facing the consequences of smoking... but I'm not going to stand outside the hospital and protest when you opt for chemotherapy. Accepting the consequences of your behavior doesn't mean you can't look for ways to mitigate the magnitude of the harm caused.
Is it abortion that you're against anyway? A lot of pro-life people seem like they just want people who have premarital sex to be punished for it. If they're so concerned about these fertilized eggs, why not shift the focus from abortion (which ends the "life" of an incredibly small percentage of all fertilized eggs) to the fact that some 75% of all fertilized eggs naturally fail to attach to the uterine wall. Focusing all this energy and money on stopping abortion, rather than devoting it to research to better the odds of successful attachment and pregnancy induction, seems IMO somewhat akin to bypassing cancer research in favor of, say, developing a cure for some comparatively obscure disease which takes far, far fewer lives.
Just seems inconsistent. I have a hard time believing that pro-lifers really, honestly believe that life begins at conception. One thing "kills" 75% of unborn people, another thing kills less than 1%. Both could feasibly be prevented. Which do they go after? The thing that kills less than 1%. Makes no sense. Sounds more like something else is driving it... control over women's bodies, perhaps. Control over sex perhaps. I dunno. But I have a hard time buying the "150 cell blastocyst = fully grown human being" thing.
Don't put words in my mouth.
You got to spend it all
who here has said they don't accept it? I certainly accept it. I think about it all the time. No one here has said that they don't accept that fact. How you FACE that fact is your own decision. I face it by being extremely responsible about sex. You face it by calling other you don't know people irresponsible and making moral judgements.
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Carrying a child is not a disease.
And no I am not against abortion, just wholesale abortion. Search for abortion on ebay.com and see what you find...hint...its scary.
You got to spend it all
well this girl obviously has a problem, and I would not want to be her. but she has made 8 decisions about her own body legally and safely.
What do you do for a living, own Microsoft? An abortion costs some $400, and it's not exactly as quick and easy as ordering fast food. It's a surgery, for god's sake.