She has no job or skills that she can use to feed all her children. And this is precisely because of attitudes like yours that women's work is to bear and raise children but then don't value that work - or actually respect it as a job which requires skills - enough to provide an income to the women who fulfull this role. How do you expect these children to eat?
Quit consuming the earth's resourses please, the earth is a host and you are a parasite.
It's no longer possible to even try to take you seriously. Not only do you run away from every good argument anyone has made - or question they have asked - but you have moved further and further from any semblance of logic. I guess that's what happens to people when they know they're completely wrong and asinine.
I won't be replying to you any more, as your opinion is so absurd that it's completely irrelevant.
(Of course I mean that in the nicest possible way. )
And I'd also agree with this except to say that why just educate young women?
Why not educate young men about their responsibilities?
Sorry, I forgot about us duders. We should get the same education. Getting pregnant, choosing to have or abort the baby, and having a baby is a tough process to go through, something us duders will never understand and most don't ever fully appreciate (there should be a second Mother's Day). Then being a parent, at least a good one, takes a lot of work and sacrifices. I don't even want to do it now, mostly because I want to devout my life now to climbing mountains.
I just want to get past the all or none approach, ie abortions 100% illegal or abortions whenever you want. At some point, I think most people could agree that it is a human life we are dealing with and its not just a matter of my body I'll do what I want. With this argument, all drugs should be legal. At the same time making them illegal is also very dangerous.
Like I said before, I believe both sides need to work TOGETHER to reduce the # of abortions. Its a win/win and the word is called COMPROMISE. Both since most people on both sides, at least the ones making the laws, are in this all or none mentality, nothing really changes.
Does anyone else think it is ironic that most pro-lifers are for the death penalty and most pro-choicers are against it? Can we not value human life equally? Personally, I'd rather take my time and energy to repeal the death penalty.
For me the answer lays in the question of what is more important, live or quality of live. I wouldn't want to be alive in every situation, there are situations that I'd rate wurse than not being alive.
I find the movie -The cider house rules- very interesting, it is about the pro's and cons of abortion and the morale dilema. 2 caracters 2 positions both with the best interest of the pacient in mind and heart.
The Cider house rules
« One man's glory is another man's hell.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
Sorry, I forgot about us duders. We should get the same education. Getting pregnant, choosing to have or abort the baby, and having a baby is a tough process to go through, something us duders will never understand and most don't ever fully appreciate (there should be a second Mother's Day). Then being a parent, at least a good one, takes a lot of work and sacrifices. I don't even want to do it now, mostly because I want to devout my life now to climbing mountains.
I just want to get past the all or none approach, ie abortions 100% illegal or abortions whenever you want. At some point, I think most people could agree that it is a human life we are dealing with and its not just a matter of my body I'll do what I want. With this argument, all drugs should be legal. At the same time making them illegal is also very dangerous.
Like I said before, I believe both sides need to work TOGETHER to reduce the # of abortions. Its a win/win and the word is called COMPROMISE. Both since most people on both sides, at least the ones making the laws, are in this all or none mentality, nothing really changes.
Does anyone else think it is ironic that most pro-lifers are for the death penalty and most pro-choicers are against it? Can we not value human life equally? Personally, I'd rather take my time and energy to repeal the death penalty.
I see what you are saying. Personally I would like to see an end to the necessity for abortion but there are so many variables involved in each abortion I cannot see that happening. Based on that premise, in my opinion, abortion should be safe and legal and ultimately about preserving the life that is already here. I agree that there are much better ways to solve this problem. Attacking women for having abortions, or doctors who perform them OR the people that support Roe v Wade, seems like a stupid way to go about ending abortion if you are really serious about wanting it stopped. If the pro life movement were SERIOUS about all life being sacred then they'd have come to that realization by now and instead of attacking the "symptom" they'd work out ways to limit the "cause". If the pro life movement were serious about all life being sacred then they'd be doing more to improve the sanctity of the lives already here. All people need to be educated. All people need to take responsibility if they find themselves in the situation. If the situation does not apply then the rest of us need to butt out.
The way the argument exists at this time, there are sides and they are polarized. How futile.
Personally I think it is about quality of life and I think that an embryo, whilst a living thing, is not a life. A life is not just about being born, having a heartbeat and breathing. It's about brain activity, experiences, actions, thoughts, feelings, LIVING. It's about so much more than just having a heartbeat. For that reason, if a woman found herself pregnant and for whatever reason she was unwilling to carry the pregnancy to term, then I support her choice to abort. I would also like to think that where applicable she had taken the thoughts and feelings and opinions of the father in to consideration but that's not mandatory. His choice really comes into it at a different time in the process. We are given only one life, one body, and if we cannot have ultimate autonomy over that then as a race we have not advanced past apes really.
Sorry, I forgot about us duders. We should get the same education. Getting pregnant, choosing to have or abort the baby, and having a baby is a tough process to go through, something us duders will never understand and most don't ever fully appreciate (there should be a second Mother's Day). Then being a parent, at least a good one, takes a lot of work and sacrifices. I don't even want to do it now, mostly because I want to devout my life now to climbing mountains.
I just want to get past the all or none approach, ie abortions 100% illegal or abortions whenever you want. At some point, I think most people could agree that it is a human life we are dealing with and its not just a matter of my body I'll do what I want. With this argument, all drugs should be legal. At the same time making them illegal is also very dangerous.
Like I said before, I believe both sides need to work TOGETHER to reduce the # of abortions. Its a win/win and the word is called COMPROMISE. Both since most people on both sides, at least the ones making the laws, are in this all or none mentality, nothing really changes.
Does anyone else think it is ironic that most pro-lifers are for the death penalty and most pro-choicers are against it? Can we not value human life equally? Personally, I'd rather take my time and energy to repeal the death penalty.
Maybe because a lot of pro-lifers seem to be about judging?
And because pro-choicers seem to be about quality of life?
Probably a simplistic view. Be interesting to see stats on it though.
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She has no job or skills that she can use to feed all her children. And this is precisely because of attitudes like yours that women's work is to bear and raise children but then don't value that work - or actually respect it as a job which requires skills - enough to provide an income to the women who fulfull this role. How do you expect these children to eat?
It's no longer possible to even try to take you seriously. Not only do you run away from every good argument anyone has made - or question they have asked - but you have moved further and further from any semblance of logic. I guess that's what happens to people when they know they're completely wrong and asinine.
I won't be replying to you any more, as your opinion is so absurd that it's completely irrelevant.
(Of course I mean that in the nicest possible way.
Sorry, I forgot about us duders. We should get the same education. Getting pregnant, choosing to have or abort the baby, and having a baby is a tough process to go through, something us duders will never understand and most don't ever fully appreciate (there should be a second Mother's Day). Then being a parent, at least a good one, takes a lot of work and sacrifices. I don't even want to do it now, mostly because I want to devout my life now to climbing mountains.
I just want to get past the all or none approach, ie abortions 100% illegal or abortions whenever you want. At some point, I think most people could agree that it is a human life we are dealing with and its not just a matter of my body I'll do what I want. With this argument, all drugs should be legal. At the same time making them illegal is also very dangerous.
Like I said before, I believe both sides need to work TOGETHER to reduce the # of abortions. Its a win/win and the word is called COMPROMISE. Both since most people on both sides, at least the ones making the laws, are in this all or none mentality, nothing really changes.
Does anyone else think it is ironic that most pro-lifers are for the death penalty and most pro-choicers are against it? Can we not value human life equally? Personally, I'd rather take my time and energy to repeal the death penalty.
I find the movie -The cider house rules- very interesting, it is about the pro's and cons of abortion and the morale dilema. 2 caracters 2 positions both with the best interest of the pacient in mind and heart.
The Cider house rules
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
Don't forget the men who shoot blanks.
I see what you are saying. Personally I would like to see an end to the necessity for abortion but there are so many variables involved in each abortion I cannot see that happening. Based on that premise, in my opinion, abortion should be safe and legal and ultimately about preserving the life that is already here. I agree that there are much better ways to solve this problem. Attacking women for having abortions, or doctors who perform them OR the people that support Roe v Wade, seems like a stupid way to go about ending abortion if you are really serious about wanting it stopped. If the pro life movement were SERIOUS about all life being sacred then they'd have come to that realization by now and instead of attacking the "symptom" they'd work out ways to limit the "cause". If the pro life movement were serious about all life being sacred then they'd be doing more to improve the sanctity of the lives already here. All people need to be educated. All people need to take responsibility if they find themselves in the situation. If the situation does not apply then the rest of us need to butt out.
The way the argument exists at this time, there are sides and they are polarized. How futile.
Personally I think it is about quality of life and I think that an embryo, whilst a living thing, is not a life. A life is not just about being born, having a heartbeat and breathing. It's about brain activity, experiences, actions, thoughts, feelings, LIVING. It's about so much more than just having a heartbeat. For that reason, if a woman found herself pregnant and for whatever reason she was unwilling to carry the pregnancy to term, then I support her choice to abort. I would also like to think that where applicable she had taken the thoughts and feelings and opinions of the father in to consideration but that's not mandatory. His choice really comes into it at a different time in the process. We are given only one life, one body, and if we cannot have ultimate autonomy over that then as a race we have not advanced past apes really.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
I never said anything about obedience.
Women ARE meant to bear children.
Quit flirting.
You got to spend it all
You got to spend it all
ok
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Agreed.
Maybe because a lot of pro-lifers seem to be about judging?
And because pro-choicers seem to be about quality of life?
Probably a simplistic view. Be interesting to see stats on it though.