And no I am not against abortion, just wholesale abortion. Search for abortion on ebay.com and see what you find...hint...its scary.
first of all, who here has said they were a proponent of "wholesale" abortions or abortions that you get on ebay??? Honestly who are you even arguing with here?
Hence: birth control. But you seem to have a problem with that too.
Show me where I opposed birth control? Quit trying to pre judge what I am saying...do you have imaginary conversations with pro-lifers in your head all day or what?
Show me where I opposed birth control? Quit trying to pre judge what I am saying...do you have imaginary conversations with pro-lifers in your head all day or what?
Well, for one thing, you seem to think that having sex automatically equals having a child. And then, of course...
Why bother at all with birth control? All you gotta do is go to a clinic, swipe your visa and presto!, that annoying child growing in your womb is destroyed.
Don't get sarky with other people when they put forward their own thoughts, then get all defensive when we do it with you.:)
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
On this 35th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, I would like to share my views on the issue of abortion.
Life begins at the point of conception. No one can deny that after a human being is conceived it will develop into the very same being as those debating this issue. What astounds me is that those who favor abortion went through an identical development stage as the being they are condemning to death. Would these very same people agree that a similiar choice should have been made about their own existence? Abortion today is used primarily as a birth control of convenience because people are too self-centered to take precautions. They prefer their own pleasurable self-indulgence over the care and sanctity of the life they created. What ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions in this country? Is it too much to ask a woman who has conceived to place the child into adoption? Nine months of discomfort is nothing compared to life in prison for voluntary manslaughter! Does the father of the child have a say in this? And what about the constitution of the United States? Are not all people conceived in this country deserving of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I believe abortion is a crime against humanity and should be outlawed. We need to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision and get back to cherishing life in this country. For a country that murders it's children cannot be far from self destruction.
Funny, I am betting that most of the people who slam abortion, are the same one's who slam someone like Jamie Spears for becoming a teenage mother. They will scream and shout about taking responsibility for one's actions........... and when they do, they are still hounded. And before anyone jumps on this and goes on about birth control............. save it. That isn't the argument here.
On this 35th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, I would like to share my views on the issue of abortion.
Life begins at the point of conception. No one can deny that after a human being is conceived it will develop into the very same being as those debating this issue. What astounds me is that those who favor abortion went through an identical development stage as the being they are condemning to death. Would these very same people agree that a similiar choice should have been made about their own existence? Abortion today is used primarily as a birth control of convenience because people are too self-centered to take precautions. They prefer their own pleasurable self-indulgence over the care and sanctity of the life they created. What ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions in this country? Is it too much to ask a woman who has conceived to place the child into adoption? Nine months of discomfort is nothing compared to life in prison for voluntary manslaughter! Does the father of the child have a say in this? And what about the constitution of the United States? Are not all people conceived in this country deserving of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I believe abortion is a crime against humanity and should be outlawed. We need to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision and get back to cherishing life in this country. For a country that murders it's children cannot be far from self destruction.
hopefully one day you will realize... this isnt the argument...you can be pro-choice and not agree with abortions. You can't seem to get it through your head or your heart or whatever it is you feel...and this feeling is the same to many like you, but you gotta leave people alone and let them handle their own things...its between a girl and her doctor.
It is impossible to have discussions with people about abortion who continually refer to a blastocyst or embryo as a child. It is not. But time and again the 'pro-lifers' in this discussin continue to make this absurd jump.
I don't know anyone who likes abortion. Nor wants anyone to have one. I'm pro-prevention but some of the craziest pro-lifers say no to birth control and sex education. Then get up in arms at the abortion clinic. Makes perfect sense.
I don't know anyone who likes abortion. Nor wants anyone to have one. I'm pro-prevention but some of the craziest pro-lifers say no to birth control and sex education. Then get up in arms at the abortion clinic. Makes perfect sense.
And the Christian taliban are amongst the biggest supporters of the death penalty.Go figure.
I don't understand how you can understand it to be risky behaviour, yet not accept the consequences of it.
But most things we do contain some element of risk. Assuming you drive a car (or condone that behavior), that involves the risk that you might get into a wreck and become injured. Although you try your best to prevent that from happening, if it did happen it would be a consequence of driving. Would you like your doctor to say, "Your back is broken and I could fix it, but I won't because you should accept the consequences of your actions"? Or, "The law has forbidden me from providing you with medical care because other people think you should accept the consequences of your actions"?
Also, if you're saying people should avoid risky behavior, you'll have to keep in mind that having a baby is considerably more risky that having an abortion.
And, just to clarify, are you saying that married people who are not in a position to have a child at the moment should not have sex?
I don't understand how you can understand it to be risky behaviour, yet not accept the consequences of it.
just think for a minute. conceiving is a miracle. i dont mean in the biblical sense of the word. i mean that it takes just the perfect balance for it to happen. and even then not all pregnancies make it. some self abort cause the balance was out somehow. if youre really fortunate(some would say unlucky) then you get to grow a baby. but sex does not automatically mean a pregnancy will occur.
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take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
So, because you know ONE person who had 8 abortions, you think it's all the rage in birth control these days? How do you take that one person's experience and apply it to the millions of other women in the world?
Given the rates at which women with no contraceptive method get pregnant, a woman using abortion as birth control would have about 30 abortions in her lifetime - not 8. In fact (in the U.S), more than half of women who have abortions use birth control, only 8% have never used birth control, and 78% of women having abortions have had no more than one other abortion before (most having never had a previous abortion).
The world is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. The ride goes up and down, around and around, it has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly colored, and it's very loud, and it's fun for a while. Many people have been on the ride a long time, and they begin to wonder, "Hey, is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us and say, "Hey, don't worry; don't be afraid, ever. Because this is just a ride." And we...kill those people. "Shut him up! I've got a lot invested in this ride, shut him up! Look at my furrows of worry, look at my big bank account, and my family. This has to be real." It's just a ride. But we always kill the good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok? But it doesn't matter, because it's just a ride. And we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings of money. Just a simple choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.
--Bill Hicks
for anyone that's anti-choice here a couple of simple things for you to do:
stfu when it comes to telling any woman what she can do with faced with the decision wheter or not to terminate a pregnancy or carry it to term, as it's none of your fucking business.
and
you don't like abortions? don't ever have an abortion!
A nice point raised by Richard Dawkins recently. Follwoing the logic of 'pro-lifers' that view every abortion as destroying a potential full human life, does that mean that every missed oppurtunity for sex is also equivalent to the deprivation of life to a future living soul?
for anyone that's anti-choice here a couple of simple things for you to do:
stfu when it comes to telling any woman what she can do with faced with the decision wheter or not to terminate a pregnancy or carry it to term, as it's none of your fucking business.
and
you don't like abortions? don't ever have an abortion!
As soon as a women can self pregnant without the help of a man in any way then I will STFU. Until then it should be up for debate.
for anyone that's anti-choice here a couple of simple things for you to do:
stfu when it comes to telling any woman what she can do with faced with the decision wheter or not to terminate a pregnancy or carry it to term, as it's none of your fucking business.
and
you don't like abortions? don't ever have an abortion!
Anti-choice? I am all for the choice. What I have a problem with is making that choice after the inevitable occurs. Every single reasonable person should understand that sex leads to pregnancy, and if you choose to have sex then you also agree to get pregnant. Sex is primarily an action performed to create offspring, we shouldn't stray from that reality it is not natural.
As soon as a women can self pregnant without the help of a man in any way then I will STFU. Until then it should be up for debate.
What does how the woman gets pregnant have to do with anything? All Prism said was that if the woman has an abortion, the anti-choice brigade - man and woman alike - should butt out.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
as soon as you're dealing with a pregnancy (wheter it's wanted or unwanted) in YOUR uterus, get back to me and then it will be up for debate.
A woman who decides alone to abort deserves no man at all. Not even a dog should accompany her through life, because she is likely too selfish to care for it anyway.
Anti-choice? I am all for the choice. What I have a problem with is making that choice after the inevitable occurs. Every single reasonable person should understand that sex leads to pregnancy, and if you choose to have sex then you also agree to get pregnant. Sex is primarily an action performed to create offspring, we shouldn't stray from that reality it is not natural.
:rolleyes:
everytime that you've had sex you assumed that it was going to result in a pregnancy, even when using birth control? you must have dozens and dozens of chilldren. that or else you've knocked up alot of kleenex!
On this 35th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, I would like to share my views on the issue of abortion.
Life begins at the point of conception. No one can deny that after a human being is conceived it will develop into the very same being as those debating this issue. What astounds me is that those who favor abortion went through an identical development stage as the being they are condemning to death. Would these very same people agree that a similiar choice should have been made about their own existence? Abortion today is used primarily as a birth control of convenience because people are too self-centered to take precautions. They prefer their own pleasurable self-indulgence over the care and sanctity of the life they created. What ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions in this country? Is it too much to ask a woman who has conceived to place the child into adoption? Nine months of discomfort is nothing compared to life in prison for voluntary manslaughter! Does the father of the child have a say in this? And what about the constitution of the United States? Are not all people conceived in this country deserving of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I believe abortion is a crime against humanity and should be outlawed. We need to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision and get back to cherishing life in this country. For a country that murders it's children cannot be far from self destruction.
so you're saying you don't like the "morning after pill"??? hehehehehe
And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
What does how the woman gets pregnant have to do with anything? All Prism said was that if the woman has an abortion, the anti-choice brigade - man and woman alike - should butt out.
I just think a man should have a say in whether to have an abortion. If the pregnancy is from something other then a rape.
It sounds to me like Prism is suggesting it is a women's choice 100%. I could be wrong maybe that's not what he/she is saying.
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first of all, who here has said they were a proponent of "wholesale" abortions or abortions that you get on ebay??? Honestly who are you even arguing with here?
Show me where I opposed birth control? Quit trying to pre judge what I am saying...do you have imaginary conversations with pro-lifers in your head all day or what?
You got to spend it all
Well, for one thing, you seem to think that having sex automatically equals having a child. And then, of course...
Don't get sarky with other people when they put forward their own thoughts, then get all defensive when we do it with you.:)
Funny, I am betting that most of the people who slam abortion, are the same one's who slam someone like Jamie Spears for becoming a teenage mother. They will scream and shout about taking responsibility for one's actions........... and when they do, they are still hounded. And before anyone jumps on this and goes on about birth control............. save it. That isn't the argument here.
I will BOLD my sarcasm for those that need it.
You got to spend it all
hopefully one day you will realize... this isnt the argument...you can be pro-choice and not agree with abortions. You can't seem to get it through your head or your heart or whatever it is you feel...and this feeling is the same to many like you, but you gotta leave people alone and let them handle their own things...its between a girl and her doctor.
Thankies.:)
Y'know, that girl that had 8 abortions would have had them anyway, whether it was legal in the US or not.
And the Christian taliban are amongst the biggest supporters of the death penalty.Go figure.
What's your point? (Seriously.)
It's the new form of birth control.
You got to spend it all
But most things we do contain some element of risk. Assuming you drive a car (or condone that behavior), that involves the risk that you might get into a wreck and become injured. Although you try your best to prevent that from happening, if it did happen it would be a consequence of driving. Would you like your doctor to say, "Your back is broken and I could fix it, but I won't because you should accept the consequences of your actions"? Or, "The law has forbidden me from providing you with medical care because other people think you should accept the consequences of your actions"?
Also, if you're saying people should avoid risky behavior, you'll have to keep in mind that having a baby is considerably more risky that having an abortion.
And, just to clarify, are you saying that married people who are not in a position to have a child at the moment should not have sex?
just think for a minute. conceiving is a miracle. i dont mean in the biblical sense of the word. i mean that it takes just the perfect balance for it to happen. and even then not all pregnancies make it. some self abort cause the balance was out somehow. if youre really fortunate(some would say unlucky) then you get to grow a baby. but sex does not automatically mean a pregnancy will occur.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
So, because you know ONE person who had 8 abortions, you think it's all the rage in birth control these days? How do you take that one person's experience and apply it to the millions of other women in the world?
Given the rates at which women with no contraceptive method get pregnant, a woman using abortion as birth control would have about 30 abortions in her lifetime - not 8. In fact (in the U.S), more than half of women who have abortions use birth control, only 8% have never used birth control, and 78% of women having abortions have had no more than one other abortion before (most having never had a previous abortion).
brag, brag, brag
--Bill Hicks
That actually made me laugh really fucking hard.
stfu when it comes to telling any woman what she can do with faced with the decision wheter or not to terminate a pregnancy or carry it to term, as it's none of your fucking business.
and
you don't like abortions? don't ever have an abortion!
angels share laughter
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Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
As soon as a women can self pregnant without the help of a man in any way then I will STFU. Until then it should be up for debate.
as soon as you're dealing with a pregnancy (wheter it's wanted or unwanted) in YOUR uterus, get back to me and then it will be up for debate.
angels share laughter
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Anti-choice? I am all for the choice. What I have a problem with is making that choice after the inevitable occurs. Every single reasonable person should understand that sex leads to pregnancy, and if you choose to have sex then you also agree to get pregnant. Sex is primarily an action performed to create offspring, we shouldn't stray from that reality it is not natural.
You got to spend it all
What does how the woman gets pregnant have to do with anything? All Prism said was that if the woman has an abortion, the anti-choice brigade - man and woman alike - should butt out.
And an abortion is an action performed to end an unwanted pregnancy. Stating the obvious is fun.:)
A woman who decides alone to abort deserves no man at all. Not even a dog should accompany her through life, because she is likely too selfish to care for it anyway.
You got to spend it all
:rolleyes:
everytime that you've had sex you assumed that it was going to result in a pregnancy, even when using birth control? you must have dozens and dozens of chilldren. that or else you've knocked up alot of kleenex!
angels share laughter
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so you're saying you don't like the "morning after pill"??? hehehehehe
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
I just think a man should have a say in whether to have an abortion. If the pregnancy is from something other then a rape.
It sounds to me like Prism is suggesting it is a women's choice 100%. I could be wrong maybe that's not what he/she is saying.
Ummmm, IT IS OUR DECISION!! Sorry to disappoint ya!!
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."