Abortion

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Just saying that pleasure sometimes doesn't fit with what's "best". People aren't gonna stop having sex just cos a pro-life movement tells them it's wrong.

I'm not pro-life as you would define it. I am pro-taking responsibility for your actions.

Mestophar wrote:

I'm not pro-life as you would define it. I am pro-taking responsibility for your actions.

People take responsibility - they know they're not in the right place in their lives to raise a child, or whatever reason they have, and they have an abortion. Nothing says it's an easy decision for them. Don't call them irresponsible just because their beliefs don't mirror your own.

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

I added to my post above. 1) abortion is a consequence how am I not accepting consequnces 2) a baby is not for punishment.

3) I do not engage in very risky behavior. yes there is some risk, but I take responsibility by making damn sure at least 2 forms of birth control are functioning.

Why bother at all with birth control? All you gotta do is go to a clinic, swipe your visa and presto!, that annoying child growing in your womb is destroyed.

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Nothing says it's an easy decision for them. Don't call them irresponsible just because their beliefs don't mirror your own.

Nothing other than the astronomical amounts of abortions occuring daily...

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Gimme a break. :rolleyes:

Can you not accept that the desire to have sex doesn't necessarily equate with the desire to have a kid?

Reality trumps desire. Having sex really gets you pregnant, can you not accept that?

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

are you on crack?

how can you even think that a sane person would behave that way. Do you know what having an abortion is like? I've seen people go through it and I'm doing everything I can to assure I don't have to. I know I do not want to be pregnant (it's not about the kid, I want to adopt a kid someday), so I am glad, that in the very unfortunate event that I should need an abortion, I will be able to get one legally and safely.

I know a girl who has had 8 abortions.

Mestophar wrote:

Yeah...probably...

I don't understand how you can understand it to be risky behaviour, yet not accept the consequences of it.

Deciding whether or not to terminate a pregnancy *is* accepting the consequences of sexual activity.

If you smoke cigarettes for 20 years and get lung cancer, you'll be facing the consequences of smoking... but I'm not going to stand outside the hospital and protest when you opt for chemotherapy. Accepting the consequences of your behavior doesn't mean you can't look for ways to mitigate the magnitude of the harm caused.

Is it abortion that you're against anyway? A lot of pro-life people seem like they just want people who have premarital sex to be punished for it. If they're so concerned about these fertilized eggs, why not shift the focus from abortion (which ends the "life" of an incredibly small percentage of all fertilized eggs) to the fact that some 75% of all fertilized eggs naturally fail to attach to the uterine wall. Focusing all this energy and money on stopping abortion, rather than devoting it to research to better the odds of successful attachment and pregnancy induction, seems IMO somewhat akin to bypassing cancer research in favor of, say, developing a cure for some comparatively obscure disease which takes far, far fewer lives.

Just seems inconsistent. I have a hard time believing that pro-lifers really, honestly believe that life begins at conception. One thing "kills" 75% of unborn people, another thing kills less than 1%. Both could feasibly be prevented. Which do they go after? The thing that kills less than 1%. Makes no sense. Sounds more like something else is driving it... control over women's bodies, perhaps. Control over sex perhaps. I dunno. But I have a hard time buying the "150 cell blastocyst = fully grown human being" thing.

Mestophar wrote:

Reality trumps desire. Having sex really gets you pregnant, can you not accept that?

who here has said they don't accept it? I certainly accept it. I think about it all the time. No one here has said that they don't accept that fact. How you FACE that fact is your own decision. I face it by being extremely responsible about sex. You face it by calling other you don't know people irresponsible and making moral judgements.

LaterDays wrote:

If you smoke cigarettes for 20 years and get lung cancer, you'll be facing the consequences of smoking... but I'm not going to stand outside the hospital and protest when you opt for chemotherapy. Accepting the consequences of your behavior doesn't mean you can't look for ways to mitigate the magnitude of the harm caused.

Is it abortion that you're against anyway?

Carrying a child is not a disease.

And no I am not against abortion, just wholesale abortion. Search for abortion on ebay.com and see what you find...hint...its scary.

Mestophar wrote:

Why bother at all with birth control? All you gotta do is go to a clinic, swipe your visa and presto!, that annoying child growing in your womb is destroyed.

What do you do for a living, own Microsoft? An abortion costs some $400, and it's not exactly as quick and easy as ordering fast food. It's a surgery, for god's sake.