Humanitarian Aid - the myths!

Heineken Helen · January 2007

http://www.sln.org.uk/geography/Documents/Tsunami/Aid%20Quiz.doc

Here is a quiz some of you should take. I am sick of hearing 'the US give more money by FAR in aid to other countries'. Ok this is wrong as the US actually comes in second on that*.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_eco_aid_don-economy-economic-aid-donor

That's not taking into account that 3/4 of that aid is bi-lateral, meaning that it must be spent on American goods and services :eek:

But how are small countries like Ireland going to compare to that? We only have a population of 4m unlike what? 301m in the US. Well see there's a thing called 'per capita' which is where the money is broken down to see how much is actually given per head... and guess what? The US comes in 20th on this list

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_eco_aid_don_percap-economic-aid-donor-per-capita

Now, there is also another way of judging it... per GDP. US comes in 23rd on this list.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_eco_aid_don_pergdp-economic-aid-donor-per-gdp

Now this is not me bashing the US or anything... any aid is good and welcome... but I just want to quash those myths that the US gives more aid 'BY FAR' than any other country... cos it doesn't on any of those lists.

By the way, congrats to Luxumbourg, Norway, Netherlands and Denmark... THEY can be proud.

Collin · January 2007

301 million in the US.

Heineken Helen · January 2007

Collin wrote:

301 million in the US.

Really? I'll edit that then... thanks

dunkman · January 2007

Collin wrote:

301 million in the US.

301,128,454 actually

oh wait... Darlene just had a baby

301,128,455

but then she shot her boyfriend/cousin Cleetus

301,128,454 it is!

miller8966 · January 2007

"But how are small countries like Ireland going to compare to that? We only have a population of 4m unlike what? 301m in the US. Well see there's a thing called 'per capita' which is where the money is broken down to see how much is actually given per head... and guess what? The US comes in 20th on this list"

probaly cause your country is a joke. Your still tools of the english.

Heineken Helen · January 2007

miller8966 wrote:

"But how are small countries like Ireland going to compare to that? We only have a population of 4m unlike what? 301m in the US. Well see there's a thing called 'per capita' which is where the money is broken down to see how much is actually given per head... and guess what? The US comes in 20th on this list"

probaly cause your country is a joke. Your still tools of the english.

well miller, we're both speaking the queens english, aren't we? :rolleyes:

Come on, is that the best you can do? :eek:

Heineken Helen · January 2007

dunkman1974 wrote:

301,128,454 actually

oh wait... Darlene just had a baby

301,128,455

but then she shot her boyfriend/cousin Cleetus

301,128,454 it is!

actually, I have 300,987,240

http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html

Was there an earthquake somewhere?

farfromglorified · January 2007

I'm curious, does anyone how much "Humanitarian Aid" the United States has received in its history?

lukin2006 · January 2007

Heineken Helen wrote:

http://www.sln.org.uk/geography/Documents/Tsunami/Aid%20Quiz.doc

Here is a quiz some of you should take. I am sick of hearing 'the US give more money by FAR in aid to other countries'. Ok this is wrong as the US actually comes in second on that*.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_eco_aid_don-economy-economic-aid-donor

That's not taking into account that 3/4 of that aid is bi-lateral, meaning that it must be spent on American goods and services :eek:

But how are small countries like Ireland going to compare to that? We only have a population of 4m unlike what? 301m in the US. Well see there's a thing called 'per capita' which is where the money is broken down to see how much is actually given per head... and guess what? The US comes in 20th on this list

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_eco_aid_don_percap-economic-aid-donor-per-capita

Now, there is also another way of judging it... per GDP. US comes in 23rd on this list.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_eco_aid_don_pergdp-economic-aid-donor-per-gdp

Now this is not me bashing the US or anything... any aid is good and welcome... but I just want to quash those myths that the US gives more aid 'BY FAR' than any other country... cos it doesn't on any of those lists.

By the way, congrats to Luxumbourg, Norway, Netherlands and Denmark... THEY can be proud.

Charity begins at home.

Heineken Helen · January 2007

beemster wrote:

Charity begins at home.

well yes, Katrina certainly proved THAT, didn't it? :rolleyes:

farfromglorified · January 2007

Heineken Helen wrote:

well yes, Katrina certainly proved THAT, didn't it? :rolleyes:

So did the Irish Potato famine :rolleyes:

I'm curious -- what percentage of your income did you donate to Katrina victims?

Heineken Helen · January 2007

farfromglorified wrote:

So did the Irish Potato famine :rolleyes:

I'm curious -- what percentage of your income did you donate to Katrina victims?

EVERYBODY donated money to katrina victims... there were people collecting all over the place. Just like the tsunami. How teh fuck am I supposed to remember what I gave... it was ages ago. But I DID give and it was a lot at the time. Not that it's any of your business but I have a standing order to a charity every month - that's MY priority. What's yours? What percentage do you give and to what charity?

Wow, even Sri Lanka were sending aid to Katrina victims... so don't gimme that 'how come we never got aid' bullshit...

Collin · January 2007

farfromglorified wrote:

I'm curious, does anyone how much "Humanitarian Aid" the United States has received in its history?

I remember some countries wanted to donate to the Katrina victims but Bush rejected the aid.

lukin2006 · January 2007

farfromglorified wrote:

I'm curious, does anyone how much "Humanitarian Aid" the United States has received in its history?

You'll never hear any people from Europe talk about that, most Europeans (not all) love to criticize the US for not doing enough, but they seem to have forgotten how many billions they have given and forgave in loans after WW2 alone.

redrock · January 2007

farfromglorified wrote:

I'm curious -- what percentage of your income did you donate to Katrina victims?

Why does this have to become personal? HH was stating a fact/statistics... can we stick to that? We are not talking specific individuals but nations.

jlew24asu · January 2007

redrock wrote:

Why does this have to become personal? HH was stating a fact/statistics... can we stick to that? We are not talking specific individuals but nations.

sounds good

Net Official Development Assistance in 2005 as US dollar amounts (millions)Country Aid amount by dollars

USA 27,457
Japan 13,101
UK 10,754
France 10,059
Germany 9,915
Netherlands 5,131
Italy 5,053
Canada 3,731
Sweden 3,280
Spain 3,123
Norway 2,775
Denmark 2,107
Belgium 1,975
Switzerland 1,771
Australia 1,666
Austria 1,552
Finland 897
Ireland 692
Greece 535
Portugal 367
New Zealand 274

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRel...hartsandGraphs

redrock · January 2007

beemster wrote:

You'll never hear any people from Europe talk about that, most Europeans (not all) love to criticize the US for not doing enough, but they seem to have forgotten how many billions they have given and forgave in loans after WW2 alone.

Here we go.. ww2 again...

miller8966 · January 2007

redrock wrote:

Why does this have to become personal? HH was stating a fact/statistics... can we stick to that? We are not talking specific individuals but nations.

Because his facts and statistics criticized our country...so we just threw some mud back.

Collin · January 2007

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp#ForeignAidNumbersinChartsandGraphs

Net ODA in 2005 as percent of GNI

Norway 0.93
Sweden 0.92
Luxembourg 0.87
Netherlands 0.82
Denmark 0.81
Belgium 0.53
Austria 0.52
UK 0.48
Finland 0.47
France 0.47
Switzerland 0.44
Ireland 0.41
Germany 0.35
Canada 0.34
Italy 0.29
Spain 0.29
Japan 0.28
New Zealand 0.27
Australia 0.25
Greece 0.24
USA 0.22
Portugal 0.21

redrock · January 2007

jlew24asu wrote:

sounds good

Net Official Development Assistance in 2005 as US dollar amounts (millions)Country Aid amount by dollars

USA 27,457
Japan 13,101
UK 10,754
France 10,059
Germany 9,915
Netherlands 5,131
Italy 5,053
Canada 3,731
Sweden 3,280
Spain 3,123
Norway 2,775
Denmark 2,107
Belgium 1,975
Switzerland 1,771
Australia 1,666
Austria 1,552
Finland 897
Ireland 692
Greece 535
Portugal 367
New Zealand 274

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRel...hartsandGraphs

Your stats are probably correct too (the link didn't work for me), but the US are a huge (and rich?) country. Obviously the total $ amount is larger but, if we are looking at a percentage of gdp or per capita, it is true that there are other countries that are more generous. Whatever amount, any amount of aid is welcomed by the people who need it.

redrock · January 2007

miller8966 wrote:

Because his facts and statistics criticized our country...so we just threw some mud back.

But they are facts....

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