A question about Jesus.
binger
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Was he the son of God, or a man? The Bible contradicts itself claiming both things. An apple is never an orange and an orange is never an apple. So which is right?
Christ's claim to divinity is usually attributed to being born of the stock of David. Joseph being descended from David. Not Mary.
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Christ was born of the Virgin Mary, having never known any man. Which defies the laws of the universe.
My belief, he was a man who was schooled by a lost arcaine order in metaphysics and had learned how to master the body's energies. Using those energies for the purpose of good, he was before his time, and the people living during those times were still not ready for his word. His message that we all, being lesser parts of a greater divine being, had the capacity to talk to "God" individually and tap into that source personally, not through the church. By deciding to be crucified, for it was the people who named him king if the Jews, not him, he did not do anything other than fulfill a prophecy, which in essence borught his teachings to light. Hence Christianity. Otherwise he would not have been any different than other crucified of the day.
Saved through Christ, but really through the teachings of Christ you find salvation. No one should expect to be forgiven just because they believe in Jesus. If saving is what we are all looking for, we should be looking towards bettering our own lives, righting our own wrongs, making amends when we are able to and looking at every moment as a moral test. We are the makers and deciders of our own fate. Jesus cannot save you anymore than he could save himself. But in dying on the cross, he lived in his word...
We turned him into the solar diety of the age. No different than the Greek's Dyonisis, or Egypt's Osiris and many others. Great leaders of the past, many having 12 followers, performing miracles, walking on water, turning water into wine, healing the sick, resurrection on the 3rd day.
There is only one small place in the entire Bible that mentions the trinity. And the word trinity is never used.
1 John 5:7-8
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
When you compare older translations of the Bible, there is no mention of "son"
There is the original Greek text, then the Latin trascrription after many years to satisfy the needs of the Catholic church, where in translation, punctuation and words were changed.
I do believe in the concept of the trinity, though admittedly my viewpoint is not the mainstream veiw. I have been researching many books on metaphysics and have found many references to the trinity. None having to do with a "son" who by praying for forgiveness in his name, will save me.
Peace
My apologies if this was posted before. I'm curious how deeply religious people who follow the Bible can rectify this one in their heads? And am interested in amy answers.
Christ's claim to divinity is usually attributed to being born of the stock of David. Joseph being descended from David. Not Mary.
or
Christ was born of the Virgin Mary, having never known any man. Which defies the laws of the universe.
My belief, he was a man who was schooled by a lost arcaine order in metaphysics and had learned how to master the body's energies. Using those energies for the purpose of good, he was before his time, and the people living during those times were still not ready for his word. His message that we all, being lesser parts of a greater divine being, had the capacity to talk to "God" individually and tap into that source personally, not through the church. By deciding to be crucified, for it was the people who named him king if the Jews, not him, he did not do anything other than fulfill a prophecy, which in essence borught his teachings to light. Hence Christianity. Otherwise he would not have been any different than other crucified of the day.
Saved through Christ, but really through the teachings of Christ you find salvation. No one should expect to be forgiven just because they believe in Jesus. If saving is what we are all looking for, we should be looking towards bettering our own lives, righting our own wrongs, making amends when we are able to and looking at every moment as a moral test. We are the makers and deciders of our own fate. Jesus cannot save you anymore than he could save himself. But in dying on the cross, he lived in his word...
We turned him into the solar diety of the age. No different than the Greek's Dyonisis, or Egypt's Osiris and many others. Great leaders of the past, many having 12 followers, performing miracles, walking on water, turning water into wine, healing the sick, resurrection on the 3rd day.
There is only one small place in the entire Bible that mentions the trinity. And the word trinity is never used.
1 John 5:7-8
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
When you compare older translations of the Bible, there is no mention of "son"
There is the original Greek text, then the Latin trascrription after many years to satisfy the needs of the Catholic church, where in translation, punctuation and words were changed.
I do believe in the concept of the trinity, though admittedly my viewpoint is not the mainstream veiw. I have been researching many books on metaphysics and have found many references to the trinity. None having to do with a "son" who by praying for forgiveness in his name, will save me.
Peace
My apologies if this was posted before. I'm curious how deeply religious people who follow the Bible can rectify this one in their heads? And am interested in amy answers.
I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
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homeboy is walking around talking shit
but then when they kill his ass.. he doesn't come and show everybody that "he is risen"
bullshit
"but he will return"
my ass
christians and muslims are wrong about that fucker
jews are wrong about everything else
god is for idiots
carry on0 -
Jesus Is Comming
Look Busy0 -
brocabulary wrote:homeboy is walking around talking shit
but then when they kill his ass.. he doesn't come and show everybody that "he is risen"
bullshit
"but he will return"
my ass
christians and muslims are wrong about that fucker
jews are wrong about everything else
god is for idiots
carry on
Not sure who you are, but peace to you. I was sort of hoping for a better dialogue. Personally I do believe in a Supreme Spirit, who I call God for lack of a better name at this time. Others call it something else. There is really only one source. From that, came everything else. Again, Peace to you my friend.I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn0 -
binger wrote:My belief, he was a man who was schooled by a lost arcaine order in metaphysics
man i thought i had heard everything...brocabulary wrote:homeboy is walking around talking shit
but then when they kill his ass.. he doesn't come and show everybody that "he is risen"
bullshit
"but he will return"
my ass
christians and muslims are wrong about that fucker
jews are wrong about everything else
god is for idiots
carry on
and then this was posted. im impressed that 2 people i never saw before could make such a sudden impression on me.
anyway, my take:
jesus was a jew with some pretty liberal/reformative ideas about the faith's practices. he was a man who advocated serious changes that upset the status quo and was executed when his ideas started to catch fire among the young and poor.0 -
Not trying to change anyones belief system. I have just found one that fits my personal core beliefs. That we are all part of the greater God. That we all have the capacity to reach into ourselves and get in touch with our own spark of divinity. That through listening to the inner voice, our conscience as we go about our day, we have the capacity to take ourselves to greater heights.
I believe our lives are ruled by the forces of Karma, Fate and Destiny and we choose how we interact with those forces throughout our lives, not ever realizing the true intent. That every moment is a test. And we choose whether we fail or pass. I fail all the time. And I pick myself up and go on.
Nothing of what I have to say should be interpreted as negativity toward any other person. I only am looking for understanding. When 2 systems tend to clash with one another, I try to find the commonality and bring them together.
Of course I could be completely wrong. Doubt and uncertainty has it's place. Without either, hope is lost. I have great hope.I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn0 -
I agree w/ many of your beliefs binger.
I am also a Christian...yet my own faith is quite different then that preached of the modern church. I think the idea of a trinity is confusing..and unneccessary.
Its funny as i was talking w/ a women of native american decent yesterday about their beliefs on God..and she said...she is spiritual...yet not religious..because in most major religions...they try to put the spirit into a box and tell people what it is...yet that is impossible...because it is different for everyone...and each has to follow their own path.
i thought that was cool. i honestly believe...that if you follow your conscience and try to do good overall...you will be quite alright. That voice inside of you nudging your conscience is the divinity inside of you...the spark of the true spirit that unites us all!“Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
-Big Fish0 -
binger wrote:Was he the son of God, or a man? The Bible contradicts itself claiming both things. An apple is never an orange and an orange is never an apple. So which is right? .
No contradiction, if you have ever studied a shred of theology (or been to a Sunday school class at least once before). Its called the Incarnation, which I'm sure you knew. But in case you need a refresher, it basically means that Jesus, whom always existed with the Father, took on flesh, or became man, in other words. (John 1)binger wrote:My belief, he was a man who was schooled by a lost arcaine order in metaphysics and had learned how to master the body's energies. Using those energies for the purpose of good, he was before his time, and the people living during those times were still not ready for his word. His message that we all, being lesser parts of a greater divine being, had the capacity to talk to "God" individually and tap into that source personally, not through the church. By deciding to be crucified, for it was the people who named him king if the Jews, not him, he did not do anything other than fulfill a prophecy, which in essence borught his teachings to light. Hence Christianity. Otherwise he would not have been any different than other crucified of the day..
Hmm...that's a new one on me. Reccomned any books (scholarly) that I might read to investigate that theory further?binger wrote:Saved through Christ, but really through the teachings of Christ you find salvation. No one should expect to be forgiven just because they believe in Jesus. If saving is what we are all looking for, we should be looking towards bettering our own lives, righting our own wrongs, making amends when we are able to and looking at every moment as a moral test. We are the makers and deciders of our own fate. Jesus cannot save you anymore than he could save himself. But in dying on the cross, he lived in his word....
There is another half to the New Testament (you know, like Paul...) ,and why we should overlook those books is unclear. But, if you want Christ's own words, try John 14:6,binger wrote:There is only one small place in the entire Bible that mentions the trinity. And the word trinity is never used.
1 John 5:7-8
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
When you compare older translations of the Bible, there is no mention of "son"
There is the original Greek text, then the Latin trascrription after many years to satisfy the needs of the Catholic church, where in translation, punctuation and words were changed. .
Yeah, so? I use several translations, including the King James, which you just quoted. That is in no way the only verse that supports the trinity, a doctrine that theologians do not take from a single verse.binger wrote:I do believe in the concept of the trinity, though admittedly my viewpoint is not the mainstream veiw. I have been researching many books on metaphysics and have found many references to the trinity. None having to do with a "son" who by praying for forgiveness in his name, will save me.
Peace
My apologies if this was posted before. I'm curious how deeply religious people who follow the Bible can rectify this one in their heads? And am interested in amy answers.
Hope this helped.
Signed,
A deeply religous person who follows the Bible0 -
brocabulary wrote:homeboy is walking around talking shit
but then when they kill his ass.. he doesn't come and show everybody that "he is risen"
bullshit
"but he will return"
my ass
christians and muslims are wrong about that fucker
jews are wrong about everything else
god is for idiots
Wow...How to respond......Well, not much substance here. A brief history lesson, and perhaps an argument or two, the "bullshit" and "my ass" arguments, which I'm not sure are that strong. I might be offended by the fact Jesus is referred to here as a "fucker" (which may or may not add to the strength of the arguments just mentioned).brocabulary wrote:carry on
Uh, what else is there to do after a post like that? It really didn't inspire too much philosophical reflection...0 -
binger wrote:Not trying to change anyones belief system. I have just found one that fits my personal core beliefs. That we are all part of the greater God. That we all have the capacity to reach into ourselves and get in touch with our own spark of divinity. That through listening to the inner voice, our conscience as we go about our day, we have the capacity to take ourselves to greater heights.
I believe our lives are ruled by the forces of Karma, Fate and Destiny and we choose how we interact with those forces throughout our lives, not ever realizing the true intent. That every moment is a test. And we choose whether we fail or pass. I fail all the time. And I pick myself up and go on.
Nothing of what I have to say should be interpreted as negativity toward any other person. I only am looking for understanding. When 2 systems tend to clash with one another, I try to find the commonality and bring them together.
Of course I could be completely wrong. Doubt and uncertainty has it's place. Without either, hope is lost. I have great hope.
this sounds like buddhism?0 -
Soulsinging got it right. He may have known a few magic tricks too.I'll Ride The Wave Where It Takes Me0
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by dying on the cross he lived his word
thats such a fucking maze i wanna puke
love is love
and hate is hate
all this winding intelligence
look paul terri bryce dewey frank etc
suck it bitchesset your laughter free
dreamer in my dream
we got the guns
i love you,but im..............callin out.........callin out0 -
what makes the fucker that believes in christ/baby/jesus/santa different from the fucker who believes in bigfoot? or god ....or the tooth fairy ???
none deserve any acceptance .
god is for idiots0 -
brocabulary wrote:what makes the fucker that believes in christ/baby/jesus/santa different from the fucker who believes in bigfoot? or god ....or the tooth fairy ???
none deserve any acceptance .
god is for idiots
God is for idiots? Why? Has this always been the case? Is being an idiot a necessary condition for believing in God?0 -
Actually, there are a lot of SMART people that believe in god.So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me0 -
brocabulary wrote:what makes the fucker that believes in christ/baby/jesus/santa different from the fucker who believes in bigfoot? or god ....or the tooth fairy ???
none deserve any acceptance .
god is for idiots
sounds like your beliefs have lead you to a place of happiness....“Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
-Big Fish0 -
Lizard wrote:Actually, there are a lot of SMART people that believe in god.
not really. How smart can they really be to believe that ghost 'n goblins shit ?0
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