No need for put-downs, especially since in my post I suggested I may have misinterpreted you, and I asked for clarification. I'm not writing a term paper here; this is a PJ message board. Please do not suggest that by a hastliy typed post on a message board (I simply read your post, and had a question about it) I will not be successful in my studies, and that I would be better off at Wendy's.
My bad, I'm just sick of these professors. The one's like my friends Philosophy Prof who claims there is proof of God through philosophy, or proof of Free-will. When I think it's quite the contrary, but none-the-less, those are beliefs if only based on philosophy. Similarly my friends fitness instructor is preaching spiritual fitness, in addition to physical and mental fitness, without providing sufficient proof that any such thing as a spirit ever existed. None of that seems very scholarly to me.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Thanks, I'll look into it. But like you said, I have more important things on my list to read; my "to read" list grows longer and longer thanks to my addiction to Amazon.
I hear that, Amazon.ca has Pat Churchland's Brain-Wise on for $20 CAD and I've been looking for a deal on it for a while. I'm gonna order it on friday when I get paid, but I'm still working on two psychology text books, one by Peter Gray and the other by David Schaffer. I frequently take time out of textbook study to read philosophy books. Although, I must admit to avoiding the work of Wright and Kane.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
My bad, I'm just sick of these professors. The one's like my friends Philosophy Prof who claims there is proof of God through philosophy, or proof of Free-will. When I think it's quite the contrary, but none-the-less, those are beliefs if only based on philosophy. Similarly my friends fitness instructor is preaching spiritual fitness, in addition to physical and mental fitness, without providing sufficient proof that any such thing as a spirit ever existed. None of that seems very scholarly to me.
No worries...
I understand where you're coming from
I hear that, Amazon.ca has Pat Churchland's Brain-Wise on for $20 CAD and I've been looking for a deal on it for a while. quote]
Why read that? Descartes solved the mind/body problem; no further investigation needed!
Seriously, the book may work its way to the top of my list...
Hahaha, sure he did. The suprising thing is that Descartes' views are probably the most commonly held views today. I personally like Pat and Paul more than most philosophers, it's the whole Neurophilosophy approach that is attractive to me. Dennett is a good philosopher and he really tries the compatibalist approach, but I feel like he's lying to himself sometimes.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It is hailed as a book of Celtic and Egyptian wisdom that was hidden for years brought by the followers of christ to Glastonbury, Scotland where it was housed at a church later burned to destroy these books, scrolls and tablets. They ended up being stored in a different area and was held by a group of druid priests for hundreds of years before being published out of New Zealand. I have the original first printing of the book. Which now need replaced because it's binding has fallen apart. The wisdom inside has changed my life. Where it comes from is of no interest to me, but you asked so...
i don't doubt the sincerity of your beliefs or the impact it has had on your life. your views sound similar to mine actually. but i had to mention that this story sounds pretty far-fetched... where'd you come by this surely priceless artifact?
homeboy is walking around talking shit
but then when they kill his ass.. he doesn't come and show everybody that "he is risen"
bullshit
"but he will return"
my ass
christians and muslims are wrong about that fucker
jews are wrong about everything else
god is for idiots
carry on
this fool sounds bitter like some priest tried to touch his little pee pee. or maybe he thinks this is the message board on the marilyn manson website.
i don't doubt the sincerity of your beliefs or the impact it has had on your life. your views sound similar to mine actually. but i had to mention that this story sounds pretty far-fetched... where'd you come by this surely priceless artifact?
It is a book published by the Culdian Trust in New Zealand. I don't remember how I found it, but it was through the net, and then an amazing correspondance with an employee working at the bookstore that is the official supplier of the book lasting about 6 months and encompassing so many things. A friendship I will treasure for a lifetime. The website for the trust is here: It was formerly the Hope Trust from Glastonbury, Scotland.
The forward states that the book is a reproduction of several versions that have existed in similar form since WW2, first in handwritten, then typewritten. Before that, it was in the form of scrolls and tablets that are reportedly to have been kept hidden for centuries except for the guardians of the word. It says that the book was never intended for mutiple or commercial circulation, however, believing it to be in the public interest, it is being made available subject to explicit conditions. I think it was about 125.00 with shipping and with it I recieved a companion book called the Gospel of the Kailedy. This book is supposed to be another testament of Jesus and reads like the Gospels, with much more detail. I have since purchased all the books published by the trust and have gained an even deeper understanding of what I believe is the intentionof the publishers. It says in the forward:
"The value of what has been salvaged and preserved here is not for the present compilers to determine, research, or edit. Their obligation is seen as being true recorders of what is there, others better able may assess its worth. It is known, however, that some items, which as face value and in their context seem of little import, contain within them something of intrinsic value to the spiritually aware. There are hidden depths which superficial reading will not reveal"
There is the introduction that I found online and as far as I can tell, from reading from my copy, it is accurate:
The only assurance I have personally, it that from the moment I opened the book and started my correspondances with the bookstore employee (no longer at the bookstore), my life has changed internally for the better. And I will be forever grateful.
It does go on to talk of Jesus and it describes him as one of many Masters of wisdom. No different than Buddha, Lao Tzu, Krishna, Mohommed, the Dali Llama. And it elludes to the statement that these great teachers throughout the ages, were learned in a process that we have all but forgotten, and are reserved for a very select few. For risk of condemnation for the beliefs presented, I can understand this. I am not here stating that "this is 100% true" That is not for me to decide for you. I have my own internal truths that I hold. I can tell you that since I started studing from it daily, I have started to play guitar, paint, write. I started parenting in a completely different way, I found more resolve to make my current relationship work, and I strive for peace. I am a nurse and work in ER, so I have been allowed the opportunity to bring snippets of wisdom to people in crisis and have love for my job. I found forgiveness and understanding for things in the past and self-awareness as to my own faults.
I think if whatever belief system you have brings you happiness and closer to God, then it really dosen't matter in the grand scheme of things. We all travel different paths, but all our roads end in the same destination. Saying all this, I could be wrong. I don't have all the answers, but my life took a turning point for the better when I opened the book. Probably not unlike others who read the Bible. I just find this to speak more directly to my soul than anything else so far. And so I share.
sidenote: my boyfriend and I have been using this same profile for years, so there may be comments that don't seem to match my state. Those are his. If anyone has specific questions, I would be happy to answer them. Peace
I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
answer...he was both. you don't have to understand how this is possible...(i don't, but i don't question it, either)...you just have to accept it.
i don't know how i remember to breathe or make sure my heart beats 80 times a minute...it just does.
THE EYES OF FAITH NEED NEVER OPEN, FOR 'TIS THEN THAT THE HEART SEES ALL - me
If I had known then...what I know now...
the vic ~ 8.2.07
eV at The Ryman ~ 6.18.09
st. louis ~ 5.4.10
If we all did a little, together we could make a BIG difference....wanna help us?
Then visit http://wishlistfoundation.fancorps.com
answer...he was both. you don't have to understand how this is possible...(i don't, but i don't question it, either)...you just have to accept it.
i don't know how i remember to breathe or make sure my heart beats 80 times a minute...it just does.
THE EYES OF FAITH NEED NEVER OPEN, FOR 'TIS THEN THAT THE HEART SEES ALL - me
The word "Gullible" is not in the dictionary.
Don't look it up, just accept it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
you can't force wisdom on any man, he has to learn for himself.
If I had known then...what I know now...
the vic ~ 8.2.07
eV at The Ryman ~ 6.18.09
st. louis ~ 5.4.10
If we all did a little, together we could make a BIG difference....wanna help us?
Then visit http://wishlistfoundation.fancorps.com
Ok, but could all those who choose to remain ignorant keep to themselves?
Like, don't spread your lies to your children.
If you want to study the bible and ignore reality, then go for it, just don't brainwash your children with that crap.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
There are plenty of things that would be considered psychological abuse if taught to children. Such as... it's ok to have sex with your brother, or with your dad.... why is it up to Christians if they want to abuse their children?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
you're setting the definition of ignorance. i'd rather have my kid studying the bible than learning the nonsense you preach.
I "preach" theories based on many converging lines of evidence and in-depth research. You retort bullshit you picked up in one ancient book.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
There are plenty of things that would be considered psychological abuse if taught to children. Such as... it's ok to have sex with your brother, or with your dad.... why is it up to Christians if they want to abuse their children?
I'm not even going to go there with you. The ride isn't very scenic, and the destination ends up being nowhere.
I'm not even going to go there with you. The ride isn't very scenic, and the destination ends up being nowhere.
Good night, and peace to you,
Bu
I'm at peace.
I can guarantee you, I'm one hell of a ride. Or did you mean something else?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You're just waiting for me to get drunk in the Gabbly and start pole dancing again, eh?
Kidding aside, I'm glad you're at peace. It would be nice to see you let others do the same now and then.
When were you pole dancing in gabbly?
I'm at peace even with the mass criticism. It's ok to be criticised really. My happiness doesn't depend on social acceptance and neither should anyone elses.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm not criticizing you....I'm just asking that everybody lighten up.
And I can't believe you missed the pole dancing! I even stripped down a week later to give those who'd missed it a second chance!! Where were YOU?!
Don't tell me you were reading up on religious theory again....
My home computer has been out of service for a couple of weeks.
I'm sorry I missed it. Any way I can schedule another viewing?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
There are plenty of things that would be considered psychological abuse if taught to children. Such as... it's ok to have sex with your brother, or with your dad.... why is it up to Christians if they want to abuse their children?
i think it's a bit of a stretch to call raising a child in a religious environment child abuse, seeing as how 99% of humans since the dawn of civilization were raised in religious environments and did ok. certainly it's no worse than ridiculing a child for thinking they can control their actions or belittling them for their feelings or emotions on the grounds that you believe they are no more than chemicals that the kid should just ignore and not let influence their life.
i think it's a bit of a stretch to call raising a child in a religious environment child abuse, seeing as how 99% of humans since the dawn of civilization were raised in religious environments and did ok. certainly it's no worse than ridiculing a child for thinking they can control their actions or belittling them for their feelings or emotions on the grounds that you believe they are no more than chemicals that the kid should just ignore and not let influence their life.
Dude, emotions are very significant, they just aren't the ultimate in truth and neither is the Bible.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
answer...he was both. you don't have to understand how this is possible...(i don't, but i don't question it, either)...you just have to accept it.
i don't know how i remember to breathe or make sure my heart beats 80 times a minute...it just does.
THE EYES OF FAITH NEED NEVER OPEN, FOR 'TIS THEN THAT THE HEART SEES ALL - me
Ahh...the incarnation....
What does it mean to say Jesus is both fully man and fully divine? It's hard to reconcile Christ's two natures, but perhaps not impossible; I hear Richard Swinburne has several good books on the rationality (or coherence) of theism and some of its claims (that is, beyond the initial question of God's existence). I haven't read them, but I'm sure they'll make it on my list before the semester is over
I will agree with Ahnimus, however, it does seem gullible to simply call something a "mystery" and leave it at that. Even if it is, for sake of argument, rational to believe in something without proof or argument, it might be hard to win converts (like Ahnimus!) with the "you just have to accept it" approach. Then again, I'm sure I am guilty of that sometimes...
Anyway, nice to see another Kentuckian on the board! Ever in Richmond?
neither is abstract scientific theory that does not yet have any predictive value.
Are you seriously that ignorant?
Have you taken 5 minutes to look into anything I mention or do you just dismiss it because it doesn't jive with what you want reality to be?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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My bad, I'm just sick of these professors. The one's like my friends Philosophy Prof who claims there is proof of God through philosophy, or proof of Free-will. When I think it's quite the contrary, but none-the-less, those are beliefs if only based on philosophy. Similarly my friends fitness instructor is preaching spiritual fitness, in addition to physical and mental fitness, without providing sufficient proof that any such thing as a spirit ever existed. None of that seems very scholarly to me.
I hear that, Amazon.ca has Pat Churchland's Brain-Wise on for $20 CAD and I've been looking for a deal on it for a while. I'm gonna order it on friday when I get paid, but I'm still working on two psychology text books, one by Peter Gray and the other by David Schaffer. I frequently take time out of textbook study to read philosophy books. Although, I must admit to avoiding the work of Wright and Kane.
No worries...
I understand where you're coming from
Hahaha, sure he did. The suprising thing is that Descartes' views are probably the most commonly held views today. I personally like Pat and Paul more than most philosophers, it's the whole Neurophilosophy approach that is attractive to me. Dennett is a good philosopher and he really tries the compatibalist approach, but I feel like he's lying to himself sometimes.
i don't doubt the sincerity of your beliefs or the impact it has had on your life. your views sound similar to mine actually. but i had to mention that this story sounds pretty far-fetched... where'd you come by this surely priceless artifact?
well at least you're not angry about it or anything.
this fool sounds bitter like some priest tried to touch his little pee pee. or maybe he thinks this is the message board on the marilyn manson website.
arrogant dick.
It is a book published by the Culdian Trust in New Zealand. I don't remember how I found it, but it was through the net, and then an amazing correspondance with an employee working at the bookstore that is the official supplier of the book lasting about 6 months and encompassing so many things. A friendship I will treasure for a lifetime. The website for the trust is here: It was formerly the Hope Trust from Glastonbury, Scotland.
http://www.culdiantrust.org/index.html
The forward states that the book is a reproduction of several versions that have existed in similar form since WW2, first in handwritten, then typewritten. Before that, it was in the form of scrolls and tablets that are reportedly to have been kept hidden for centuries except for the guardians of the word. It says that the book was never intended for mutiple or commercial circulation, however, believing it to be in the public interest, it is being made available subject to explicit conditions. I think it was about 125.00 with shipping and with it I recieved a companion book called the Gospel of the Kailedy. This book is supposed to be another testament of Jesus and reads like the Gospels, with much more detail. I have since purchased all the books published by the trust and have gained an even deeper understanding of what I believe is the intentionof the publishers. It says in the forward:
"The value of what has been salvaged and preserved here is not for the present compilers to determine, research, or edit. Their obligation is seen as being true recorders of what is there, others better able may assess its worth. It is known, however, that some items, which as face value and in their context seem of little import, contain within them something of intrinsic value to the spiritually aware. There are hidden depths which superficial reading will not reveal"
There is the introduction that I found online and as far as I can tell, from reading from my copy, it is accurate:
http://www.thekolbrin.com/kolbrin_intro.html
The only assurance I have personally, it that from the moment I opened the book and started my correspondances with the bookstore employee (no longer at the bookstore), my life has changed internally for the better. And I will be forever grateful.
It does go on to talk of Jesus and it describes him as one of many Masters of wisdom. No different than Buddha, Lao Tzu, Krishna, Mohommed, the Dali Llama. And it elludes to the statement that these great teachers throughout the ages, were learned in a process that we have all but forgotten, and are reserved for a very select few. For risk of condemnation for the beliefs presented, I can understand this. I am not here stating that "this is 100% true" That is not for me to decide for you. I have my own internal truths that I hold. I can tell you that since I started studing from it daily, I have started to play guitar, paint, write. I started parenting in a completely different way, I found more resolve to make my current relationship work, and I strive for peace. I am a nurse and work in ER, so I have been allowed the opportunity to bring snippets of wisdom to people in crisis and have love for my job. I found forgiveness and understanding for things in the past and self-awareness as to my own faults.
I think if whatever belief system you have brings you happiness and closer to God, then it really dosen't matter in the grand scheme of things. We all travel different paths, but all our roads end in the same destination. Saying all this, I could be wrong. I don't have all the answers, but my life took a turning point for the better when I opened the book. Probably not unlike others who read the Bible. I just find this to speak more directly to my soul than anything else so far. And so I share.
sidenote: my boyfriend and I have been using this same profile for years, so there may be comments that don't seem to match my state. Those are his. If anyone has specific questions, I would be happy to answer them. Peace
answer...he was both. you don't have to understand how this is possible...(i don't, but i don't question it, either)...you just have to accept it.
i don't know how i remember to breathe or make sure my heart beats 80 times a minute...it just does.
THE EYES OF FAITH NEED NEVER OPEN, FOR 'TIS THEN THAT THE HEART SEES ALL - me
the vic ~ 8.2.07
eV at The Ryman ~ 6.18.09
st. louis ~ 5.4.10
If we all did a little, together we could make a BIG difference....wanna help us?
Then visit http://wishlistfoundation.fancorps.com
The word "Gullible" is not in the dictionary.
Don't look it up, just accept it.
the vic ~ 8.2.07
eV at The Ryman ~ 6.18.09
st. louis ~ 5.4.10
If we all did a little, together we could make a BIG difference....wanna help us?
Then visit http://wishlistfoundation.fancorps.com
You can't force it. And if he doesn't learn, let him live in peace and enjoy himself anyway.
Like, don't spread your lies to your children.
If you want to study the bible and ignore reality, then go for it, just don't brainwash your children with that crap.
...it's the parents' choice.
you're setting the definition of ignorance. i'd rather have my kid studying the bible than learning the nonsense you preach.
There are plenty of things that would be considered psychological abuse if taught to children. Such as... it's ok to have sex with your brother, or with your dad.... why is it up to Christians if they want to abuse their children?
I "preach" theories based on many converging lines of evidence and in-depth research. You retort bullshit you picked up in one ancient book.
I'm not even going to go there with you. The ride isn't very scenic, and the destination ends up being nowhere.
Good night, and peace to you,
Bu
I'm at peace.
I can guarantee you, I'm one hell of a ride. Or did you mean something else?
You're just waiting for me to get drunk in the Gabbly and start pole dancing again, eh?
Kidding aside, I'm glad you're at peace. It would be nice to see you let others do the same now and then.
When were you pole dancing in gabbly?
I'm at peace even with the mass criticism. It's ok to be criticised really. My happiness doesn't depend on social acceptance and neither should anyone elses.
And I can't believe you missed the pole dancing! I even stripped down a week later to give those who'd missed it a second chance!! Where were YOU?!
Don't tell me you were reading up on religious theory again....
My home computer has been out of service for a couple of weeks.
I'm sorry I missed it. Any way I can schedule another viewing?
i think it's a bit of a stretch to call raising a child in a religious environment child abuse, seeing as how 99% of humans since the dawn of civilization were raised in religious environments and did ok. certainly it's no worse than ridiculing a child for thinking they can control their actions or belittling them for their feelings or emotions on the grounds that you believe they are no more than chemicals that the kid should just ignore and not let influence their life.
are you a hot chick?
Dude, emotions are very significant, they just aren't the ultimate in truth and neither is the Bible.
neither is abstract scientific theory that does not yet have any predictive value.
Ahh...the incarnation....
What does it mean to say Jesus is both fully man and fully divine? It's hard to reconcile Christ's two natures, but perhaps not impossible; I hear Richard Swinburne has several good books on the rationality (or coherence) of theism and some of its claims (that is, beyond the initial question of God's existence). I haven't read them, but I'm sure they'll make it on my list before the semester is over
I will agree with Ahnimus, however, it does seem gullible to simply call something a "mystery" and leave it at that. Even if it is, for sake of argument, rational to believe in something without proof or argument, it might be hard to win converts (like Ahnimus!) with the "you just have to accept it" approach. Then again, I'm sure I am guilty of that sometimes...
Anyway, nice to see another Kentuckian on the board! Ever in Richmond?
Are you seriously that ignorant?
Have you taken 5 minutes to look into anything I mention or do you just dismiss it because it doesn't jive with what you want reality to be?