A question about Jesus.

Bu2

Ahnimus wrote:

I'm at peace.

I can guarantee you, I'm one hell of a ride. Or did you mean something else?

You're just waiting for me to get drunk in the Gabbly and start pole dancing again, eh?

Kidding aside, I'm glad you're at peace. It would be nice to see you let others do the same now and then.

Ahnimus

Bu2 wrote:

You're just waiting for me to get drunk in the Gabbly and start pole dancing again, eh?

Kidding aside, I'm glad you're at peace. It would be nice to see you let others do the same now and then.

When were you pole dancing in gabbly?

I'm at peace even with the mass criticism. It's ok to be criticised really. My happiness doesn't depend on social acceptance and neither should anyone elses.

Bu2

I'm not criticizing you....I'm just asking that everybody lighten up.

And I can't believe you missed the pole dancing! I even stripped down a week later to give those who'd missed it a second chance!! Where were YOU?!

Don't tell me you were reading up on religious theory again....

Ahnimus

Bu2 wrote:

I'm not criticizing you....I'm just asking that everybody lighten up.

And I can't believe you missed the pole dancing! I even stripped down a week later to give those who'd missed it a second chance!! Where were YOU?!

Don't tell me you were reading up on religious theory again....

My home computer has been out of service for a couple of weeks.

I'm sorry I missed it. Any way I can schedule another viewing?

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

There are plenty of things that would be considered psychological abuse if taught to children. Such as... it's ok to have sex with your brother, or with your dad.... why is it up to Christians if they want to abuse their children?

i think it's a bit of a stretch to call raising a child in a religious environment child abuse, seeing as how 99% of humans since the dawn of civilization were raised in religious environments and did ok. certainly it's no worse than ridiculing a child for thinking they can control their actions or belittling them for their feelings or emotions on the grounds that you believe they are no more than chemicals that the kid should just ignore and not let influence their life.

soulsinging

Bu2 wrote:

You're just waiting for me to get drunk in the Gabbly and start pole dancing again, eh?

Kidding aside, I'm glad you're at peace. It would be nice to see you let others do the same now and then.

are you a hot chick?

Ahnimus

soulsinging wrote:

i think it's a bit of a stretch to call raising a child in a religious environment child abuse, seeing as how 99% of humans since the dawn of civilization were raised in religious environments and did ok. certainly it's no worse than ridiculing a child for thinking they can control their actions or belittling them for their feelings or emotions on the grounds that you believe they are no more than chemicals that the kid should just ignore and not let influence their life.

Dude, emotions are very significant, they just aren't the ultimate in truth and neither is the Bible.

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

Dude, emotions are very significant, they just aren't the ultimate in truth and neither is the Bible.

neither is abstract scientific theory that does not yet have any predictive value.

mxaaron

Heather Evers wrote:

"was he the son of God, or a man" - binger

answer...he was both. you don't have to understand how this is possible...(i don't, but i don't question it, either)...you just have to accept it.

i don't know how i remember to breathe or make sure my heart beats 80 times a minute...it just does.

THE EYES OF FAITH NEED NEVER OPEN, FOR 'TIS THEN THAT THE HEART SEES ALL - me

Ahh...the incarnation....

What does it mean to say Jesus is both fully man and fully divine? It's hard to reconcile Christ's two natures, but perhaps not impossible; I hear Richard Swinburne has several good books on the rationality (or coherence) of theism and some of its claims (that is, beyond the initial question of God's existence). I haven't read them, but I'm sure they'll make it on my list before the semester is over

I will agree with Ahnimus, however, it does seem gullible to simply call something a "mystery" and leave it at that. Even if it is, for sake of argument, rational to believe in something without proof or argument, it might be hard to win converts (like Ahnimus!) with the "you just have to accept it" approach. Then again, I'm sure I am guilty of that sometimes...

Anyway, nice to see another Kentuckian on the board! Ever in Richmond?

Ahnimus

soulsinging wrote:

neither is abstract scientific theory that does not yet have any predictive value.

Are you seriously that ignorant?

Have you taken 5 minutes to look into anything I mention or do you just dismiss it because it doesn't jive with what you want reality to be?

Bu2

soulsinging wrote:

are you a hot chick?

I don't know....some guys say I am.....some others don't.

Do I like to get hot now and then? Hell yeah!

Heather Evers

Ahnimus wrote:

Are you seriously that ignorant?

Have you taken 5 minutes to look into anything I mention or do you just dismiss it because it doesn't jive with what you want reality to be?

perception is reality.....everyone is entitled to their own.....

i only want for you what makes you happy.
if you're happy, who am i to question it???

peace ~ h

mxaaron

Heather Evers wrote:

perception is reality.....everyone is entitled to their own.....

i only want for you what makes you happy.
if you're happy, who am i to question it???

peace ~ h

Not to interrupt, but there is a call for KY Jammers at the Porch...

Bu2

mxaaron wrote:

Not to interrupt, but there is a call for KY Jammers at the Porch...

I've been looking at Heather's "location" all night, in awe that there is a town called Ledbetter in KY.

Heather Evers

Bu2 wrote:

I've been looking at Heather's "location" all night, in awe that there is a town called Ledbetter in KY.

i did not make this up....lived there for 23 years!!!

it's just northeast of paducah in western kentucky.....go ahead & look it up.....u know u want to!!!

Ahnimus

Heather Evers wrote:

perception is reality.....everyone is entitled to their own.....

i only want for you what makes you happy.
if you're happy, who am i to question it???

peace ~ h

Take a minute to think this through.

John Doe believes that, in reality, blowing up the WTC buildings will land him a seat at the right hand of God.

Is he entitled to that perception?

If Jane believes that John is wrong and doesn't wish to be destroyed in a terrorist attack to support his perception, is her perception anymore valid than his?

If all the Jews believe that the Dome of the Rock must be destroyed for the messiah to come, and all the Moslems believe that Israel must be destroyed for Allah. Who's perception is real? Who's perception do we respect?

Do we just let everyone live in conflict?

Heather Evers

everything plays it's part in the grand scheme of things.

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

Are you seriously that ignorant?

Have you taken 5 minutes to look into anything I mention or do you just dismiss it because it doesn't jive with what you want reality to be?

your determinism is currently a worthless theory. i can raise my kid catholic (i never would, but i could) and you could beat the living shit out of yours daily and mine could turn into a serial rapist and yours into a pillar of the community devoted to eradicating domestic violence. or mine could turn out to be a politician fighting for social justice and yours into a drunken homeless brawler. you have no idea and you cannot predict. determinism does this no better or more accurately than sociology, psychology, theology or plain common sense. this is why your philosophy is no better off than buddhism, 12 step programs, catholic theology, or anything else in terms of serving as a guide for human behavior.

Bu2

just to say that while looking up the KY post on the Porch, I read an excellent article that someone just posted there, about two films that Ed wrote music for.

Go look. You'll find Ed talking about Iraq, amongst other things.

Okay, the rest of you, get on with your argument. I'm going to bed.

Love,
Bu

mxaaron

Ahnimus wrote:

Is he entitled to that perception?

In what sense are we using "perception"?

Heather, what dou you mean when you say "perception is reality.....everyone is entitled to their own..."