Suicide

Collin
Collin Posts: 4,931
edited August 2007 in A Moving Train
What are your views on suicide?

"If someone chooses to end their life, should we allow them to?"

This question was asked in another thread.
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    The vast majority of people who wish to or have committed suicide are mentally ill. They don't need to have another (literally!) nail in the coffin by making it legal.

    The legality of it won't stop the mentally ill from committing suicide. They do it because they have a problem and making suicide legal does not help them with their problem, it only hurts them.
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  • godpt3
    godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    suicide is painless... it brings on many changes
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  • wolfbear
    wolfbear Posts: 3,965
    I think it's a shame that people have to resort to suicide. If someone is ready to die, they should be able to be euthanized as humanely as we can our pets. I'm not talking about mentally ill people, they should be given other help. :)
    "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Making suicide illegal gives the government ultimate control over your body. Like most other issues, on this one I'm pro-choice.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    wolfbear wrote:
    I think it's a shame that people have to resort to suicide. If someone is ready to die, they should be able to be euthanized as humanely as we can our pets. I'm not talking about mentally ill people, they should be given other help. :)

    Only a mentally ill person would want to be euthanized.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Only a mentally ill person would want to be euthanized.

    That's a ridiculous statement.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Collin wrote:
    That's a ridiculous statement.
    Completely agree.

    The reasons are many, ranging from terminal, untreatable pain and suffering, to loss of quality of life, to not wanting to continue to be a burden on loved ones. But none of the reasons should matter legally. The issue isn't why somone would opt for that, the issue is why the government has any involvement.
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  • Staceb10
    Staceb10 Posts: 675
    godpt3 wrote:
    suicide is painless... it brings on many changes


    painless? For who? The people they leave behind? I don't think so. I've gotten into this debate with others on here before but in my opinion suicide is a very selfish act and only hurts the people left behind.


    It would be absurd to put people who attempt suicide in jail though. I can't think of any valid reasoning behind that one.
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Staceb10 wrote:
    painless? For who? The people they leave behind? I don't think so. I've gotten into this debate with others on here before but in my opinion suicide is a very selfish act and only hurts the people left behind.


    It would be absurd to put people who attempt suicide in jail though. I can't think of any valid reasoning behind that one.

    That is exactly what I was going to say (but you beat me to it because the internet was sucking).

    I won't argue the legality or morality of it, but I think suicide is almost always a very selfish act.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    Staceb10 wrote:
    painless? For who? The people they leave behind? I don't think so. I've gotten into this debate with others on here before but in my opinion suicide is a very selfish act and only hurts the people left behind.

    Selfish?

    But demanding someone to live even though that means they have to endure unspeakable pain and suffering just so you wouldn't be hurt isn't selfish?
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Collin wrote:
    What are your views on suicide?

    "If someone chooses to end their life, should we allow them to?"

    This question was asked in another thread.

    Collin I don't really understand what you mean by "allow them to"?
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    Jeanie wrote:
    Collin I don't really understand what you mean by "allow them to"?

    I just copy/pasted the question from another thread. I guess the person was asking if it should be legal or illegal and whether it is morally acceptable or not.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Collin wrote:
    Selfish?

    But demanding someone to live even though that means they have to endure unspeakable pain and suffering just so you wouldn't be hurt isn't selfish?

    bingo. we have a winner.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    It should be their choice, definitely. People that want to die are going to find a way to do it anyways. How many people do you think stop and say 'Well, it is illegal, so I guess I better not.' It's a ridiculous law.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Collin wrote:
    I just copy/pasted the question from another thread. I guess the person was asking if it should be legal or illegal and whether it is morally acceptable or not.

    Ok. :) I guess as far as I can see, it just is. People do it. And who am I to say if they are right or wrong? It's not my body, or my life.
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  • wolfbear
    wolfbear Posts: 3,965
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Only a mentally ill person would want to be euthanized.
    I disagree. Have you ever known anyone terminally ill or someone who has committed suicide? I have on both counts, and I can tell you you are mistaken. :)
    "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    i have to agree with Stace. Suicide is the ultimate selfish act and it really only hurts the ones left behind. That being said, with a lot of situations it's no wonder that people contemplate it and sometimes carry it out; esp when you're dealing with depression and when you're dealing with other illnesses.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    chopitdown wrote:
    i have to agree with Stace. Suicide is the ultimate selfish act and it really only hurts the ones left behind. That being said, with a lot of situations it's no wonder that people contemplate it and sometimes carry it out; esp when you're dealing with depression and when you're dealing with other illnesses.

    how selfish is it for you to force someone to keep living in unbearable pain just so that you don't have to be hurt by their death?
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Oh and I don't think it's selfish, I think it's tragic.
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  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    soulsinging wrote:
    how selfish is it for you to force someone to keep living in unbearable pain just so that you don't have to be hurt by their death?

    It kind of goes both ways. I don't think anyone who would be hurt by the person's death, wants them to live with pain. However, by committing suicide, they are causing pain and suffering in other people.
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