England under water: Scientists confirm global warming link to increased rain

stu gee wrote:

I did read the title of the thread but sorry for interrupting your conversation.


Im still waiting on a reply from onelongsong to tell me who said "the weather changes are due to the changes in wind that flows over the ice caps. when the ice changes; so do the winds." and where this person got their information, and also why it is definitely without a shadow of a doubt correct.

Please remember onelongsong, im noyt trying to be rude nor am i dismissing the idea of global warming, i just question the amount of factual knowledge any scientist can really have about planet earth.

I agree! Watching the news 2 weeks ago when the first lot of flooding happened, they reported on the height of the flooding in Worcester. This year it is about 6 feet lower than it was in the floods of 1949. I think the government, at least in this country have found yet another way to drag money out of people in taxes.
At the end of the day it's just our individual opinion and I don't mean to get irate,but I can't stand people dismissing me or other people out of hand, when they don't have the facts. You're always welcome to put your 2 pennies worth in It is a free world (in most parts) after all!

CornishMan wrote:

Global warming is happening... that is a fact. However we've had global warming many times throughout Earth's history where it's been much warmer, and with higher sea levels than this - just as we've had many ice ages in the past. There are beaches in my local area which are at the top of 20ft cliffs (showing where the sea level was 1000's of years ago). Global warming has happened before and will happen again... as will ice ages.

I'm not convinced humans are entirely to blame... I think it is part of the Earth's natural cycle to get warmer and colder, and there are many natural causes of CO2 that far out weigh the human production.

I just feel that by creating lots of publicity about global warming or being 'green', is just a ploy to help politicians win elections, or raise taxes. Perhaps I am too cynical!

Having said that, it certainly does no harm to be 'green' and recycle etc. (and I feel I do my fair share), however I'm not convinced that it is all down to us.

Wow... that felt good to get all scientific! My Earth Science degree did come in handy after all

See, here is the thing. No one has ever claimed global warming hasn't been going on throughout history...the point we're making is our actions as humans are greatly speeding up the process and are resulting in dire effects on the earth, it's weather and it's inhabitants. These man made problems alongside natural warming trends may affect the earth's ability to sustain life here so we need to be careful with what we are doing to speed this process along and work to find alternate ways to get by on this planet if we wish to continue living here in the future.

Hippyvik wrote:

I agree! Watching the news 2 weeks ago when the first lot of flooding happened, they reported on the height of the flooding in Worcester. This year it is about 6 feet lower than it was in the floods of 1949. I think the government, at least in this country have found yet another way to drag money out of people in taxes.
At the end of the day it's just our individual opinion and I don't mean to get irate,but I can't stand people dismissing me or other people out of hand, when they don't have the facts. You're always welcome to put your 2 pennies worth in It is a free world (in most parts) after all!

Yeah i saw that on Tv about the floods in 1949. That's basically what i was thinking about when i posted my first in this thread a few pages back saying i wonder how they explained flooding before global warming was made such an issue? lol

Man made pollution of the earth is a terrible thing and i always do my best to try and keep the place clean, but i just dont know how some of these scientists can speak so confidently about our planet, which is after all, a big ball, in the middle of some universe, in some galaxy, somewhere we dont really know! lol The whole idea of it comepletely turns my head insideout and so when 'experts' who have maybe been on this earth only a tiny bit longer than me tell me that they know for sure what is happening, i tend to take what they say with a pinch of salt sometimes lol

stu gee wrote:

Yeah i saw that on Tv about the floods in 1949. That's basically what i was thinking about when i posted my first in this thread a few pages back saying i wonder how they explained flooding before global warming was made such an issue? lol

Man made pollution of the earth is a terrible thing and i always do my best to try and keep the place clean, but i just dont know how some of these scientists can speak so confidently about our planet, which is after all, a big ball, in the middle of some universe, in some galaxy, somewhere we dont really know! lol The whole idea of it comepletely turns my head insideout and so when 'experts' who have maybe been on this earth only a tiny bit longer than me tell me that they know for sure what is happening, i tend to take what they say with a pinch of salt sometimes lol

I guess if there's one good thing that comes out of what I think is propaganda, is that we all treat this earth with a little more respect than we did before:)

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

our actions as humans are greatly speeding up the process and are resulting in dire effects on the earth, it's weather and it's inhabitants. These man made problems alongside natural warming trends may affect the earth's ability to sustain life here so we need to be careful with what we are doing to speed this process along and work to find alternate ways to get by on this planet if we wish to continue living here in the future.

The world is warming up, however the proof that global warming is speeding up faster than the past, let alone due to humans is very sketchy. Also life has survived global warming in the past.

I don't mean to sound anti-environment, because I'm not. It certainly does no harm at all to look after the world we live in, and I recycle and do my bit for the environment more than the average person. I just feel that it's a bit of a political band wagon that people are jumping on.

Hippyvik wrote:

To be honest, I really don't think it matters what we do to try and compensate. Global warming will either completely or mostly wipe out the human race and then it will all start again. Mother natures way of cleansing the earth!

The deal is, if we weren't spewing so many greenhouse gases into the air, global warming would be much more gradual, and manageable. I don't know if you missed the news, but the polar ice caps are melting. It is quite possible that the north pole will be ice free in the summer by the end of this century. Virtually all of the world's glaciers are melting. This is related to a significant warming of world temperatures, particularly at the poles and higher elevations. Yes, the world temperatures have fluctuated greatly througout time, but over a much longer period of time (with a few exceptions, like 65 million years ago, which was surely caused by a monster meteor impact.) Isn't all of this worth a shot at trying to at least slow down?

Also, might I say that even if you, and others, don't believe in all of this global warming mumbo jumbo, then there are other very valid reasons for trying to curb CO2 emissions. These emissions include many other nasty chemicals, particulates, etc. that toxify the air we all breathe. Isn't that worth trying to cut emissions? We're talking mostly about cars and coal powered plants here.

Hippyvik wrote:

I seem to remember a programme on the tv a while ago about sun storms and how they are damaging the ozone layer, the last big one as far as I can remember was in 2003. Did anyone else see this? It's another thing in a long line creating global warming.

But we can control some things and not others.