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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Bu2 wrote:
    No, what's not?
    no, it's not.... comprende?
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    catefrances wrote:
    did you add a big big smilie face to denote humour? cause if you didnt i'll take what you've said as serious.
    oh sorry.... :D
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    Lots of interesting responses. What I would be curious to know is "how has your choice of belief helped your life or brought you happiness"?
    I'd be interested to know why you quoted your own question.

    Lol.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    I'd be interested to know why you quoted your own question.

    Lol.

    yeah cause only weirdos do that right gue? ;):D:p
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    soulsinging wrote:
    not the same difference at all. you gave 2 contentions, i flat out disagree with both.

    staying alive is not the primary focus. like i said, if i got alzheimer's and could no longer enjoy my life, i would not want it. if staying alive were the primary focus, i would stay alive despite alzheimer's. but it isn't. enjoying the various things of life i like is the focus. if i cannot have them, then i don't care to be alive. thus, being alive is not the focus. it's a necessary condition for the other things, but it is not sufficient. i have to be alive to enjoy those things, but just being alive is not enough to sustain me. i'm alive in a vegetative state, but that's not enough for me so i'd rather be dead becos i cannot enjoy the "focus" you speak so much of: having fun and enjoying my life. i enjoy life becos it allows me to do fun things like fuck, not becos being alive is so sweet.
    if you get seriously ill, like getting alzheimers and you want to end your life, is one thing. i know that. i know there's people who die peaceful deaths, i know there's people who wanna die.... so let's make it easier for both of us. don't mention that again.... ever. cause then we'd be going in circles.

    bottom line is, in order for you to enjoy getting laid you gotta be alive... so if you wanna live the most of your life by getting laid then you'll try you're best to stay alive. yes, of course, not unless you get alzheimers... then by that point i'm guessing you wouldn't be able to fuck. so too bad for you and your loved one's, your hoes included, you'd probably be going away soon after.

    apart from that... still you'll go home, take a nice long nap (or maybe not), wake up and eat breakfast (maybe not), wash up (maybe not), get in your car, put your seatbelt on and drive safely and go about the rest of the day trying to be as safe as possible and as happy as possible and maybe even get laid as many times as possible. that's a universal fact. it's part of your instinct to survive. that's been my only contention all along.
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    we take care of our health, have a survival instinct and all those things you have mentioned because we want to live as long as possible. wanting to live as long as possible does not = the same as being scared to die. has absolutely nothing at all to do with fearing or not fearing death.
    why would you want to live as long as possible if you're going to die anyway? :rolleyes:
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    deadnothingbetter wrote:

    apart from that... still you'll go home, take a nice long nap (or maybe not), wake up and eat breakfast (maybe not), wash up (maybe not), get in your car, put your seatbelt on and drive safely and go about the rest of the day trying to be as safe as possible and as happy as possible and maybe even get laid as many times as possible. that's a universal fact. it's part of your instinct to survive. that's been my only contention all along.

    really? surely you dont think everyone conducts their lives with such meticulous thought. :)
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    catefrances wrote:
    really? surely you dont think everyone conducts their lives with such meticulous thought. :)
    or maybe not... hell, maybe people just allow things to come as they may.... but nobody surely wishes or hopes for a tragedy of some kind.

    on another thought... why do people, for the most part, get sad when people die? i mean, it's a part of life isn't it? and it's really not that big of a deal, right? people die everyday... piece of cake.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    yeah cause only weirdos do that right gue? ;):D:p

    I don't quote myself. I cut to the chase and downright talk...
    to myself.

    And deadnothingbetter, no, that hasn't been your contention all along. Your contention is that to fear death is "logical." It isn't part of logic, it isn't even fear. The way you describe "death" is in a sort of loathesome, painful sadism. Death is part of life and is as beautiful as you want to make it.
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  • catefrances
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    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    or maybe not... hell, maybe people just allow things to come as they may.... but nobody surely wishes or hopes for a tragedy of some kind.

    on another thought... why do people, for the most part, get sad when people die? i mean, it's a part of life isn't it? and it's really not that big of a deal, right? people die everyday... piece of cake.


    oh i dont wish for tragedy but the only reason i wear a seaatbelt is cause it's the law. and even then there are times when i try to get away with it.

    so you dont ever get sad(even a little bit) when people leave your life?
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  • catefrances
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    oops double post. :)
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    catefrances wrote:
    so you dont ever get sad(even a little bit) when people leave your life?
    no... for what? it's a part of life. right?
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    I don't quote myself. I cut to the chase and downright talk...
    to myself.

    And deadnothingbetter, no, that hasn't been your contention all along. Your contention is that to fear death is "logical." It isn't part of logic, it isn't even fear. The way you describe "death" is in a sort of loathesome, painful sadism. Death is part of life and is as beautiful as you want to make it.
    actually gue.... yes that has been my contention all along. i've never argued that death should and is always and forever will be feared. if you'd like i can look back and, ironically, quote myself. i even mentioned about my signature that i used to have awhile back. it said, "death is a part of life, life is a puzzle, you can't explain life till the last piece is put together." my contention has been that being afraid of death comes as a natural form... it's what we'd likely know as a survival instinct.

    sure, i'm not using any kind of scientific approach here, but i'm using logic and common sense. every person naturally fears death.... but it's like our brain has two sides. one side is what makes us fear things that would fatally harm us and the other side is what tells, "what's the big deal? you're gonna die anyway." i guess it's nature's way of balancing itself.
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  • catefrances
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    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    no... for what? it's a part of life. right?

    i didnt mean if they die. i meant ever. if someone goes away or whatever. something like that.
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    catefrances wrote:
    i didnt mean if they die. i meant ever. if someone goes away or whatever. something like that.
    well, even if they leave it's still kinda a part of life.
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  • catefrances
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    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    well, even if they leave it's still kinda a part of life.

    that wasnt my question. naturally people coming and going is a part of life and so is feeling a tad sad cause youre gonna miss them.
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  • gue_barium
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    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    actually gue.... yes that has been my contention all along. i've never argued that death should and is always and forever will be feared. if you'd like i can look back and, ironically, quote myself. i even mentioned about my signature that i used to have awhile back. it said, "death is a part of life, life is a puzzle, you can't explain life till the last piece is put together." my contention has been that being afraid of death comes as a natural form... it's what we'd likely know as a survival instinct.

    sure, i'm not using any kind of scientific approach here, but i'm using logic and common sense. every person naturally fears death.... but it's like our brain has two sides. one side is what makes us fear things that would fatally harm us and the other side is what tells, "what's the big deal? you're gonna die anyway." i guess it's nature's way of balancing itself.
    You're not reading me.
    I think you're probably an escapist. Everything you wrote in the statement above does everything but address your own mortality. You don't know what you might be thinking or what might be happening when the grim reaper comes a calling, do you?
    I do.
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    catefrances wrote:
    that wasnt my question. naturally people coming and going is a part of life and so is feeling a tad sad cause youre gonna miss them.
    why? that doesn't make sense.
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  • gue_barium
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    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    why? that doesn't make sense.

    It's hard to miss yourself after you've died.

    LMAO
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    gue_barium wrote:
    You're not reading me.
    I think you're probably an escapist. Everything you wrote in the statement above does everything but address your own mortality. You don't know what you might be thinking or what might be happening when the grim reaper comes a calling, do you?
    I do.
    are you saying that you know exactly what i'd be feeling when death comes a knockin'? you're making a good point, i'll admit. for some reason you always make wiser suggestions than most on these boards... so props to you.

    but i think it's safer to say that what you say applies to everyone... meaning that no one knows exactly what we'd be feeling when death comes around. and i think it might vary... i have a personal belief that depending what kind of life you lead will affect the outcome of your feeling towards death. my grandparents died peaceful deaths. so i can buy it if people say that they don't fear death. i don't fear death. i don't think i do. but like you said, i don't know what would happen when it comes around.
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