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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    ok.... convince me then

    convince me that dying isn't something to fear.
    How one feels about death is completely personal. There is no right or wrong way to feel about it. It's a topic for the great majority of people truly know nothing about.

    The more scientific minded will dismiss peoples experiences who have flatlined and been brought back as it can not be tested or verified in anyway.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    I was in a car accident once. Just another day in the life.

    Well, there was another time, but I don't remember it, or the next few years.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    catefrances wrote:
    convince me that dying is something to be afraid of. i would imagine people are afraid to die because they do believe in a god who is going to judge them on the life they've led. as an atheist i have no such primitive fear and therefore can accept death for what it is.
    it's very funny cause i would say that as a god fearing person i have no such primitive fear of dying since i know that at the end there is a God who's waiting for me.

    but that's another thing.

    i'm not talking about god... it has nothing to do with god. someone could not believe in god and be afraid of dying.... others could believe in god and still be afraid of dying. so that settles that... let's put god aside.

    i could convince you that fear of death is more logical than not having any fear in death. i mean..... lemme give you this big huge two words again..... COME ON!

    it's in the movies, in the newspapers, in the television, in stories, in politics... yes, death is a part of life.... and even when i first came on these boards i had a phrase i made up myself that said, "death is a part of life, life is a puzzle... you can't explain life until the last piece is put together." so i understand that. i understand that death is a part of life. i understand that at the end of the road, when someone is old of age, you can die a peaceful and longing death. i'm sure there's people out there that wanna die right now. for reasons that make more sense to them.... but only to them.

    naturally, as humans, death is something that we avoid. the fact that we have a home, medicine, and civilization reflect our fear in dying.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I was in a car accident once. Just another day in the life.

    Well, there was another time, but I don't remember it, or the next few years.
    well, actually so was i.... i felt the same way too. i'll admit. but still i try my best to drive safely... don't you?
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    surferdude wrote:
    The more scientific minded will dismiss peoples experiences who have flatlined and been brought back as it can not be tested or verified in anyway.
    i don't know what you mean by this
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    catefrances wrote:
    convince me that dying is something to be afraid of. i would imagine people are afraid to die because they do believe in a god who is going to judge them on the life they've led. as an atheist i have no such primitive fear and therefore can accept death for what it is.
    oh and by the way... my argument isn't that death is something to be afraid of..... i'm saying that fearing death is something very natural. i personally would like to live a long and healthy and prosperous life.... and i would probably get scared if a lion is about to chew me up.

    see, i've never seen anybody who had a near death experience and say, "oh, that was the greatest and loveliest experience i've ever had." all the people who have had near death experiences always express themselves the same way and say, "it was the scariest moment i've ever experienced." except for a few who were terminally ill... like my grandparents with cancer. they always said, "i don't fear death." and i believed them.... also soldiers, american soldiers, or any kind of soldier.... or heck, even suicidie bombers aren't scared dying. so i can accept that.

    i'm only saying that our fear in death is very natural and there's nothing wrong with it. that's all....
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    well, actually so was i.... i felt the same way too. i'll admit. but still i try my best to drive safely... don't you?

    I don't drive, but when I do, I try to drive safely. It's mainly because I don't want to kill someone else though. I've driven pretty insanely in the past.

    I get what you are saying here though. Everyone instinctively fears death, but intellectually, there is nothing really to fear.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i think you're the one with the logical fallacy dude. reread your post... it's very contradictory.

    tell me that your heart won't start pumping fast if someone puts a gun to your head. come on dude.. you're so full of it.
    I have to say that there is a sort of sadistic quality in the way you think this through. It's almost as if you're the member of executioners squad taking bets on who can verbally torture the victim the most before blowing his head off.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    since when does self-preservation mean you fear death? :confused:
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    and i would probably get scared if a lion is about to chew me up.
    So would I but that's nothing to do with fear of death, that's fear of an unpleasant, painful death, which isn't what we're discussing here. we're discussing fear of the unknown. I don't believe in God and I don't fear death. If I died peacefully in my sleep tonight, I wouldn't be afraid, so long as I was prepared and had tied up all my loose ends.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i think you're the one with the logical fallacy dude. reread your post... it's very contradictory.

    tell me that your heart won't start pumping fast if someone puts a gun to your head. come on dude.. you're so full of it.

    becos i fear pain. not death. pain. i imagine getting shot hurts.

    even so, there is no contradiction. arguing one positive does not give you a negative result. you cannot say that becos i would like to keep living it means i must be afraid of dying.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    ok.... convince me then

    convince me that dying isn't something to fear.

    why do we take care of our health? why do we have government? why do we have a survival instinct? why do we get scared when we get attacked by a dog, a criminal, or a hurricane? why do we get an adrenaline rush when we're in a car accident or in some form of catastrophe?

    explain that, cause i just don't get it.

    and frankly, this sounds like a lot of bullshit to me.

    becos when i'm dead i can't have sex again or eat a nice steak dinner again. that's a bummer. i'd rather have sex than die. but that doesn't mean i'm afraid of dying. just that there are other things i'd rather be doing.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    it's very funny cause i would say that as a god fearing person i have no such primitive fear of dying since i know that at the end there is a God who's waiting for me.

    but that's another thing.

    i'm not talking about god... it has nothing to do with god. someone could not believe in god and be afraid of dying.... others could believe in god and still be afraid of dying. so that settles that... let's put god aside.

    i could convince you that fear of death is more logical than not having any fear in death. i mean..... lemme give you this big huge two words again..... COME ON!

    it's in the movies, in the newspapers, in the television, in stories, in politics... yes, death is a part of life.... and even when i first came on these boards i had a phrase i made up myself that said, "death is a part of life, life is a puzzle... you can't explain life until the last piece is put together." so i understand that. i understand that death is a part of life. i understand that at the end of the road, when someone is old of age, you can die a peaceful and longing death. i'm sure there's people out there that wanna die right now. for reasons that make more sense to them.... but only to them.

    naturally, as humans, death is something that we avoid. the fact that we have a home, medicine, and civilization reflect our fear in dying.

    well you know i guess were gonna have to agree to disagree. because i know myself. im not saying i would welcome death with open arms but i know its a part of life and thus nothing to be feared. i have no reason to fear death.

    as for the belief on god negating a primitive fear of death. i was actually talking about the primitive fear of being judged by said god and being found wanting and therefore not enjoying the afterlife or even gaining access to it.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I get what you are saying here though. Everyone instinctively fears death, but intellectually, there is nothing really to fear.
    ahhh, thanks ahnimus.... i'll just leave it from here cause this is really the point i'm trying to make.

    but you said it best....
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    becos i fear pain. not death. pain. i imagine getting shot hurts.
    hahahahaha
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    deadnothingbetter wrote:

    i'm only saying that our fear in death is very natural and there's nothing wrong with it. that's all....

    no. what you were doing was basically saying people who dont fear death were bullshitting. you have no frame of reference to make such a judgement except generalisation.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    I have to say that there is a sort of sadistic quality in the way you think this through. It's almost as if you're the member of executioners squad taking bets on who can verbally torture the victim the most before blowing his head off.
    wow.... how'd you guess?
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    catefrances wrote:
    no. what you were doing was basically saying people who dont fear death were bullshitting. you have no frame of reference to make such a judgement except generalisation.
    no.... people on here were saying, "really, dying is a piece of cake." i was callling that bullshit.

    but like i said, sure dying isn't something i fear, as in get the creeps or something... but essentially my primary instincts are to stay alive.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    becos when i'm dead i can't have sex again or eat a nice steak dinner again. that's a bummer. i'd rather have sex than die. but that doesn't mean i'm afraid of dying. just that there are other things i'd rather be doing.
    i see what you're saying... but essentially and agree with me dude, cause i know you do... you're focus is to stay alive... and dying is the last thing you'd want to happen to you. is that right?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    no.... people on here were saying, "really, dying is a piece of cake." i was callling that bullshit.

    but like i said, sure dying isn't something i fear, as in get the creeps or something... but essentially my primary instincts are to stay alive.

    but you were asking people to convince you death is nothing to fear. thats the issue im having with you. tis as if their opinion is wrong in your eyes.
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