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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i see what you're saying... but essentially and agree with me dude, cause i know you do... you're focus is to stay alive... and dying is the last thing you'd want to happen to you. is that right?

    but dying is the last thing that will happen to you. :D
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    catefrances wrote:
    but you were asking people to convince you death is nothing to fear. thats the issue im having with you. tis as if their opinion is wrong in your eyes.
    are you this really hot girl that never likes to lose an argument? ;) j/k

    i don't have a problem with people's opinions about fear.... afterall, i can't feel what others feel, particularly about death and fear. if you'd ask me if i were scared of dying my first response would be no. but if you'd give me two pills that i had to choose from... one led to death and the other to life.... i'd probably choose the one that leads to life.

    my point is, no in a way i don't fear death or what happens afterwards... but essentially my primary focus is to stay alive. so that's why i take care of my health, i watch both ways before crossing the street, lock my doors before i sleep and many other things i do to keep myself safe.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    catefrances wrote:
    but dying is the last thing that will happen to you. :D
    no it's not.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    no it's not.

    for some it is.
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  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    no it's not.

    then why don't we all start thinking about what we're doing here on earth, right now, and stop thinking about what will come when we are no longer here?

    NONE OF US KNOWS!! Don't you understand? None of us knows.

    So live now, think now, and when your number is up, it's up. Hopefully you've planned for that moment. Until then, you've got some time to live, think, and plan. And enjoy the lovely stuff that happens in between.

    Peace,
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    are you this really hot girl that never likes to lose an argument? ;) j/k

    i don't have a problem with people's opinions about fear.... afterall, i can't feel what others feel, particularly about death and fear. if you'd ask me if i were scared of dying my first response would be no. but if you'd give me two pills that i had to choose from... one led to death and the other to life.... i'd probably choose the one that leads to life.

    my point is, no in a way i don't fear death or what happens afterwards... but essentially my primary focus is to stay alive. so that's why i take care of my health, i watch both ways before crossing the street, lock my doors before i sleep and many other things i do to keep myself safe.

    yes my primary focus is to stay alive also, as im sure everyone else's is too. but that has nothing to do with fearing or not fearing death.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i see what you're saying... but essentially and agree with me dude, cause i know you do... you're focus is to stay alive... and dying is the last thing you'd want to happen to you. is that right?

    no, that's not right and i don't agree with you. my focus is to enjoy life, not stay alive just for the sake of living. there are a lot of things i'd rather die than do... i'd rather die than live with alzheimer's (i always said i'd kill myself if i get this and start to notice the symptoms), be trapped in a vegatative state, be tortured mercilessly, get locked up in prison to lick jelly out of thunderdick's asshole every day for the rest of my life, be stuck in an elevator with onelongsong, ahnimus, and angelica... etc. you dig?
  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    Why not?
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    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    catefrances wrote:
    for some it is.
    you do know i was kidding right?
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    catefrances wrote:
    yes my primary focus is to stay alive also, as im sure everyone else's is too. but that has nothing to do with fearing or not fearing death.
    in a way it is.... but fearing in a different sense of the word.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • meme
    meme Posts: 4,695
    Cute story fresh from my son's bedroom.
    My husband was in there telling him stories. He tells him the story of Noah's Ark. My son asks whether it's a true story. My husband replies that it's in the Bible, some people believe it's true, some people don't. My son says: "so I guess the only one who knows for sure would be God". My hubby: "I suppose you are right". My son: "But God is dead, so we'll never know..."
    ... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    no, that's not right and i don't agree with you. my focus is to enjoy life, not stay alive just for the sake of living. there are a lot of things i'd rather die than do... i'd rather die than live with alzheimer's (i always said i'd kill myself if i get this and start to notice the symptoms), be trapped in a vegatative state, be tortured mercilessly, get locked up in prison to lick jelly out of thunderdick's asshole every day for the rest of my life, be stuck in an elevator with onelongsong, ahnimus, and angelica... etc. you dig?
    yeah, i dig...... buuuuuuttt... staying alive is still the primary focus, right? or enjoying life... whatever, same difference.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Bu2 wrote:
    then why don't we all start thinking about what we're doing here on earth, right now, and stop thinking about what will come when we are no longer here?

    NONE OF US KNOWS!! Don't you understand? None of us knows.

    So live now, think now, and when your number is up, it's up. Hopefully you've planned for that moment. Until then, you've got some time to live, think, and plan. And enjoy the lovely stuff that happens in between.

    Peace,
    Bu
    no it's not.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    no it's not.

    No, what's not?
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    yeah, i dig...... buuuuuuttt... staying alive is still the primary focus, right? or enjoying life... whatever, same difference.

    not the same difference at all. you gave 2 contentions, i flat out disagree with both.

    staying alive is not the primary focus. like i said, if i got alzheimer's and could no longer enjoy my life, i would not want it. if staying alive were the primary focus, i would stay alive despite alzheimer's. but it isn't. enjoying the various things of life i like is the focus. if i cannot have them, then i don't care to be alive. thus, being alive is not the focus. it's a necessary condition for the other things, but it is not sufficient. i have to be alive to enjoy those things, but just being alive is not enough to sustain me. i'm alive in a vegetative state, but that's not enough for me so i'd rather be dead becos i cannot enjoy the "focus" you speak so much of: having fun and enjoying my life. i enjoy life becos it allows me to do fun things like fuck, not becos being alive is so sweet.
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    The two times I came close to death (at least in my eyes), I have to admit, I was quite scared. Scared about the possible traumatic injuries, feared I would never see my loved ones again, etc. So many things ran through my mind in a short time period, probably seconds. That saying, 'your life flashing before your eyes' was quite accurate for me. I don't sit around fearing death at all, I don't think about it actually, although I think I probably take the appropriate subliminal precautions to prevent it. But when I was faced with it unexpected, I was pretty frightened. I think it is an instinctual fear, perhaps.
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  • MahoganySouls
    MahoganySouls Posts: 357
    Lots of interesting responses. What I would be curious to know is "how has your choice of belief helped your life or brought you happiness"?
    "When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    Lots of interesting responses. What I would be curious to know is "how has your choice of belief helped your life or brought you happiness"?

    I don't let shit bother me the way others do.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    you do know i was kidding right?

    did you add a big big smilie face to denote humour? cause if you didnt i'll take what you've said as serious.
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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    ok.... convince me then

    convince me that dying isn't something to fear..
    why would anyone want to convince you. they are not you and you are not them. it's different for everyone. i've attended patients who are dying and there are some who are very much at peace and clearly not afraid to die.
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    why do we take care of our health? why do we have government? why do we have a survival instinct? why do we get scared when we get attacked by a dog, a criminal, or a hurricane? why do we get an adrenaline rush when we're in a car accident or in some form of catastrophe?

    explain that, cause i just don't get it.

    and frankly, this sounds like a lot of bullshit to me.

    we take care of our health, have a survival instinct and all those things you have mentioned because we want to live as long as possible. wanting to live as long as possible does not = the same as being scared to die. has absolutely nothing at all to do with fearing or not fearing death.

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