Do you believe in fate?

RolandTD20Kdrummer · September 2007

jeffbr wrote:

Well, I don't believe in the invisible friend. But I believe in my own power.

So I see it as belief in myself vs. taking the easy way out and making "determinism" my excuse for failure. "It's not my fault! It is the way it was supposed to be!"

It's not so much the way it's supposed to "be" rather than slight of favor. It's a really complicated topic to explain.

The best way I can describe it is walking against a slight breeze. It hardly makes one exhausted to walk against a breeze, however the consequence still remains. It is very slight or "weak", per se, but continually persistent.

Kinda like how gravity works, and how it is considered a weak but ever present force that we are committed to (or encompassed by) but are not necessarily forced to obey at any given moment in time.

catefrances · September 2007

Jeanie wrote:

No need to be sorry cate!
I agree that cause and effect exists but I make space for fate too, just because as you know I'm a fence sitter, and I don't know everything!

well jeanie, as you know i'm not a fence sitter. nor do i know everything. however...

i just think when people talk about something being fate, what they're talking about is they just can't see the cause and therefore the effect to them is unexplainable. hence fate.

gue_barium · September 2007

prism wrote:

yet pathetically she's on page 14 of psychobabble

I think what I've come to understand of Angelica is that she loves the written word. Matter of fact, I think she's told us all that she's writing a book. So, I don't think of her posts as psychobabble anymore so much as I used to. She is fiction in motion. She is a writer in motion.

Just my 2 cents.

prism · September 2007

gue_barium wrote:

I think what I've come to understand of Angelica is that she loves the written word. Matter of fact, I think she's told us all that she's writing a book. So, I don't think of her posts as psychobabble anymore so much as I used to. She is fiction in motion. She is a writer in motion.

Just my 2 cents.

so she's a writer of psychobabble that writes in circular manic motion *yawn*

gue_barium · September 2007

prism wrote:

so she's a writer of psychobabble that writes in circular manic motion *yawn*

she has her highs and lows.

don't we all?

catefrances · September 2007

angelica wrote:

Get in touch with your potentia and you'll see it's a choice. You'll see power and empowerment and the sacredness of BEing.

Get in touch with the vast majority of who you are which is unconscious for most, and integrate that part into conscious awareness as potential, and then you'll see how you direct fate at all times.

you know what angelica. i am so in touch with who i am that if i truly listened to myself i would be dead. so for me my conscious and unconscious potential is a weapon. i know it's there and i have to ignore it for my semi well being.
so don't sit there and sprout your pseudo spiritual bs like it's applicable to us all. believe it or not a lot of us already are aware of who we really are and for some of us, we don't like it. so go hum and click your finger cymbals somewhere else and back the hell off. we are not all the same.

FinsburyParkCarrots · September 2007

How the fook do I know? How does anyone? Even that scientistic div Susan Blackmore reckons she's a Zen buddhist.

angelica · September 2007

catefrances wrote:

you know what angelica. i am so in touch with who i am that if i truly listened to myself i would be dead. so for me my conscious and unconscious potential is a weapon. i know it's there and i have to ignore it for my semi well being.
so don't sit there and sprout your pseudo spiritual bs like it's applicable to us all. believe it or not a lot of us already are aware of who we really are and for some of us, we don't like it. so go hum and click your finger cymbals somewhere else and back the hell off. we are not all the same.

You are aware of yourself, except for the parts you are projecting on me, apparently.

That's the whole point about our unconscious. When things "outside us" bother us and "get to" us, it indicates our inner rejected self. Anything that holds any power over us shows our unempowerment. It seems my bringing up these subjects sure triggers the inner unconscious psyches of certain people on this board. When people blame me for their own anger/frustration, etc. that shows they are not conscious of their own issues.

When we heal our inner conflicts, who we are emerges peaceful. Who we Truly are is never about the chaos. The weapon parts, the chaos, anger and frustration we see is about what has happened to us and what needs healing. It's what keeps us from who we are.

Jeanie · September 2007

angelica wrote:

You are aware of yourself, except for the parts you are projecting on me, apparently.

That's the whole point about our unconscious. When things "outside us" bother us and "get to" us, it indicates our inner rejected self. Anything that holds any power over us shows our unempowerment. It seems my bringing up these subjects sure triggers the inner unconscious psyches of certain people on this board. When people blame me for their own anger/frustration, etc. that shows they are not conscious of their own issues.

When we heal our inner conflicts, who we are emerges peaceful. Who we Truly are is never about the chaos. The weapon parts, the chaos, anger and frustration we see is about what has happened to us and what needs healing. It's what keeps us from who we are.

Seriously, you need a hobby! :rolleyes:

Or a bloody degree so you can go torment some other poor suckers with your righteous psychoanalyzing. There's nothing wrong with cate's concious or subconcious as far as I can see, she was pretty much on the money. And before you get all up in the air about her projecting on to you, perhaps go take a long hard look in the mirror. This thread is littered with you projecting onto other people. And on that note I'm done here.

I really only came to the thread to introduce Ahnimus to Skyhooks, which clearly he needed to know about and other than that I've really found it just another mental masturbation session from you.

angelica · September 2007

Jeanie wrote:

Seriously, you need a hobby! :rolleyes:

Or a bloody degree so you can go torment some other poor suckers with your righteous psychoanalyzing. There's nothing wrong with cate's concious or subconcious as far as I can see, she was pretty much on the money. And before you get all up in the air about her projecting on to you, perhaps go take a long hard look in the mirror. This thread is littered with you projecting onto other people. And on that note I'm done here.

I really only came to the thread to introduce Ahnimus to Skyhooks, which clearly he needed to know about and other than that I've really found it just another mental masturbation session from you.

Isn't it interesting how many people are upset by someone's opinion. Why does one person's opinion upset or "torment" so many people? It's an opinion.

Why are people giving one opinion so much power to affect them so negatively? Why are people identifying with one person's opinion and obviously hooking into it, rather than accept it as is....as an opinion that merely exists, like all opinions? Why can't people live and let live? The answer is in the individual who becomes hooked--in their subconscious.

The answer is certainly not in the opinion itself. The opinion, itself, does not decide who hooks into it and who becomes emotionally irritated. That decision is made unconsciously within the individual who experiences the agitation.

callen · September 2007

angelica wrote:

Get in touch with your potentia and you'll see it's a choice. You'll see power and empowerment and the sacredness of BEing.

Get in touch with the vast majority of who you are which is unconscious for most, and integrate that part into conscious awareness as potential, and then you'll see how you direct fate at all times.

you rock

........more psychobabble please.

angelica · September 2007

callen wrote:

you rock

........more psychobabble please.

Ahnimus · September 2007

angelica wrote:

I don't think people think choice is the ultimate cause. They just recognize that they have choice, even amongst causes.

It's a "choice as a result of causes" not a "choice amongst causes". It seems you are implying that choice is not caused or is only semi-caused and in reality it is totally caused.

Ahnimus · September 2007

deadnothingbetter wrote:

was every decision caused by something?

haven't you made decisions just because?

Yes, every decision is caused by something.

"haven't you made decisions just because?"

Yea, because of something.

angelica · September 2007

Ahnimus wrote:

It's a "choice as a result of causes" not a "choice amongst causes". It seems you are implying that choice is not caused or is only semi-caused and in reality it is totally caused.

Actually, I'm seeing that its self-evident that a choice is a choice. There is no qualifier necessary at base. Qualifying gets into logic, which gets removed from what is.

Ahnimus · September 2007

angelica wrote:

Actually, I'm seeing that its self-evident that a choice is a choice. There is no qualifier necessary at base. Qualifying gets into logic, which gets removed from what is.

I disagree. Everything can be logically explained. It seems like you don't like the logical conclusion. That's your problem.

Every thing has a cause
Choice is a thing
Choice has a cause

Just like when a computer chess program queen-side castles.

catefrances · September 2007

angelica wrote:

You are aware of yourself, except for the parts you are projecting on me, apparently.

That's the whole point about our unconscious. When things "outside us" bother us and "get to" us, it indicates our inner rejected self. Anything that holds any power over us shows our unempowerment. It seems my bringing up these subjects sure triggers the inner unconscious psyches of certain people on this board. When people blame me for their own anger/frustration, etc. that shows they are not conscious of their own issues.

When we heal our inner conflicts, who we are emerges peaceful. Who we Truly are is never about the chaos. The weapon parts, the chaos, anger and frustration we see is about what has happened to us and what needs healing. It's what keeps us from who we are.

OMFG!!! you are so full of it. you want to know what i did today? you want to know how i heal my inner conflict angelica?

i know who the fuck i am. thank you. just cause i don't live in fairy land doesn't mean who i am isn't my real self. i am not projecting onto you angelica. i am totally conscious of my own issues. that is why i'm saying what i'm saying. i'm just far too tired psyche-wise at the moment and faking being civil is beyond me right now. you make it sound as if everything and anything is possible purely though the power of the mind and that just isn't true. if that works for you, then that's great. but we are all individuals. it ain't gonna work for all of us.

and no i do not blame you for my own anger and frustration. i am well aware that everything i feel comes from within me. that's what's so difficult for me to deal with at times. and damn straight i need healing. but what i don't need is your well meaning psycho babble pointing out what you think the problem is. it's not relevant to me and probably not relevant to other people either. though admittedly you are entitled to share your opinion, just as i am sharing mine.

angelica · September 2007

Ahnimus wrote:

I disagree. Everything can be logically explained. It seems like you don't like the logical conclusion. That's your problem.

Every thing has a cause
Choice is a thing
Choice has a cause

Just like when a computer chess program queen-side castles.

You well know I always agree choice has a cause. Because there is a cause doesn't detract me from the fact that a choice is a choice.

Of course there is a cause...and given the vast, many variables of the entire situation, we choose. It's amazing.

Again, granted, for many people, their choices are unconscious and appear around them as fate or because other people "made them do it".

angelica · September 2007

catefrances wrote:

OMFG!!! you are so full of it. you want to know what i did today? you want to know how i heal my inner conflict angelica?

i know who the fuck i am. thank you. just cause i don't live in fairy land doesn't mean who i am isn't my real self. i am not projecting onto you angelica. i am totally conscious of my own issues. that is why i'm saying what i'm saying. i'm just far too tired psyche-wise at the moment and faking being civil is beyond me right now. you make it sound as if everything and anything is possible purely though the power of the mind and that just isn't true. if that works for you, then that's great. but we are all individuals. it ain't gonna work for all of us.

and no i do not blame you for my own anger and frustration. i am well aware that everything i feel comes from within me. that's what's so difficult for me to deal with at times. and damn straight i need healing. but what i don't need is your well meaning psycho babble pointing out what you think the problem is. it's not relevant to me and probably not relevant to other people either. though admittedly you are entitled to share your opinion, just as i am sharing mine.

You can choose to ignore my posts any time you like.

FinsburyParkCarrots · September 2007

angelica wrote:

For the record, I personally don't believe "bad" is in us even remotely. I believe we've been taught to think that. And then we give life to this idea of "bad" and lose touch with our truth, that is about just being neutral, like animals.

I believe that everything we do that seems bad is about how we were raised, or about our genetics and when we understand, we recognize there were perfectly understandable reasons for why we did absolutely everything.

For example, when we reach for the dirt in the plant when we are babies. Our parents scold us and call us bad. And really, we're just exploring--we're only bad based on their judgments. If they understood how natural it was for us to want to dig in the dirt, they'd have recognized our maturity level, and responded age-appropriately and directed us elsewhere without making us wrong.

When we heal our ideas of "bad", and come to forgive ourselves and understand our mistakes and errors, we come into the freedom of self-acceptance, wholeness and self-Love or Self-esteem. In otherwords, we achieve unity with ourselves.

Haha, I've got this great image of being Angelica's teenage son. Call me Eric. I steal momma's car, and her credit cards, and get some ho's, and drive on down to Mexico, and then she gets this call from a Mexican jail that I crashed the car into a fire hydrant while DUI and surrounded by jiggly titties, and I'm in the cells, and I need bail but I've spent everything on her credit card. Oh, and there's that small matter of hijacking that plane. Momma says, "It's okay officer, of course I'll come right down and pay! Eric darling is just exploring his inner child on a path of self-actualization!"

Do you believe in fate?

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