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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    chopitdown wrote:
    that's evidence??? I love the thought process..there is evidence against the biblical God b/c the bible is wrong...that, my friend, is not evidence it's an opinion that you believe to be true.

    So.. if the bible is wrong, God still exists, that doesn't make any sense, since the basis for God is the bible. It's all circular logic, God exists because God says he exists in ths book written by man. That makes no sense. Explain that logic.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    the problem once again is zeroing in on biblical. the bible was written by man; so using a book written by man to dispute the existance of God is insane. and how does science's inability to measure the activity of the soul proof that there is no afterlife? i think it only proves science is very limited and it's inabilities prove nothing other than its fallability.

    There is no soul, the whole idea of a soul comes from that same book.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    self~absorption, (1) absorption in oneself

    self~abuse, (1) reviling of oneself, (2) masturbation
    NOPE!!!

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  • scw156
    scw156 Posts: 442
    onelongsong wrote:
    all i said is if you reject God; you will not enter his kingdom. i don't believe in a place called hell so i don't know what you're talking about. i believe you will enter a form of solitary confinement. that; or be reborn to this earth. or maybe both. but i wish nothing on you. you made your choices and you will live and die with them. you are nothing to me and i don't care what happens to you.

    this little conversation was about PJammin' essentially saying I (and people who think like me) are going to hell. I had thought you were defending that point. So I was still more discussing what PJammin' was saying and not what your opinion was. So the whole thing said wasn't directed to what your belief was on Hell.

    I'm glad I'm nothing to you and I don't care what happens to you either. I don't wish you harm however.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    "Saddam Hussein and Adolf Hitler were good men and I agree with everything they were about." Does that statement warrant the same respect that you expect me to grant the crusaders?


    while i have zero respect for the actions of saddam hussein and adolf hitler,and that is acceptable, i also have zero respect for the actions of the crusaders, which may be less so.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    scw156 wrote:
    this little conversation was about PJammin' essentially saying I (and people who think like me) are going to hell. I had though you were defending that point. So I was still more discussing what PJammin' was saying and not what your opinion was. So the whole thing said wasn't directed to what your belief was on Hell.

    I'm glad I'm nothing to you and I don't care what happens to you either. I don't wish you harm however.

    now i understand. i don't wish you or anyone else harm or hardship. the true kingdom is within yourself. some find it; some don't. that's just life. i wish you and everyone (except my ex) all the best of everything.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    There is no soul, the whole idea of a soul comes from that same book.

    i feel i have a soul. and as you know i am an atheist. so where does that leave me? because clearly my ideas of soul are not sustained by the bible. though i will not deny they originated there as per my living in a secular christian society. but then surely if one denies God, they must deny the soul, right?
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  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    catefrances wrote:
    while i have zero respect for the actions of saddam hussein and adolf hitler,and that is acceptable, i also have zero respect for the actions of the crusaders, which may be less so.

    Esp that self-deluded weirdo who started the children's crusade, and led several thousand children to their death through hypothermia and starvation.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    catefrances wrote:
    while i have zero respect for the actions of saddam hussein and adolf hitler,and that is acceptable, i also have zero respect for the actions of the crusaders, which may be less so.

    i agree with you cate. what i don't understand is why every discussion about God is centred on what man has done. the crusaders were men acting in the name of God. which is no different than me killing athiests in the name of God. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH; NOR IS IT SANCTIONED BY GOD. God doesn't work that way.
  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    onelongsong wrote:
    i agree with you cate. what i don't understand is why every discussion about God is centred on what man has done. the crusaders were men acting in the name of God. which is no different than me killing athiests in the name of God. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH; NOR IS IT SANCTIONED BY GOD. God doesn't work that way.

    That's an easy one to answer. Because God only works through man and his actions. This belief in God has everything to do woith teh actions and consequences of men who act in the name of God. You cannpt separate the two by saying, " but God is not like that". He is, that's all he is. He does not exist except in teh actions of men. Men who lie and cheat, and steal and kill and rape and plunder , all in the name of God.
    How else can you haev a discussion about God ??
    Bizarre !!
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    There is no soul, the whole idea of a soul comes from that same book.

    it'll take some looking; but i'll find where a scientist proved the existance of the soul.

    the idea of a soul does not come from the bible. the idea existed long before that. maybe you should study some theology before entering a theological debate. i believe the idea of a soul predates the egyption book of the dead.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    i feel i have a soul. and as you know i am an atheist. so where does that leave me? because clearly my ideas of soul are not sustained by the bible. though i will not deny they originated there as per my living in a secular christian society. but then surely if one denies God, they must deny the soul, right?

    What does your soul feel like?

    Let's begin there. But I suggest finding another word, I'd prefer to retain the original definition of the term soul, to avoid confusion.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    lucylespian wrote:
    That's an easy one to answer. Because God only works through man and his actions. This belief in God has everything to do woith teh actions and consequences of men who act in the name of God. You cannpt separate the two by saying, " but God is not like that". He is, that's all he is. He does not exist except in teh actions of men. Men who lie and cheat, and steal and kill and rape and plunder , all in the name of God.
    How else can you haev a discussion about God ??
    Bizarre !!

    that's not true at all. God does not work through man. who told you that? why would God set laws not to cheat; steal; etc then work through men who go against his law.
    that's absurd.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    it'll take some looking; but i'll find where a scientist proved the existance of the soul.

    the idea of a soul does not come from the bible. the idea existed long before that. maybe you should study some theology before entering a theological debate. i believe the idea of a soul predates the egyption book of the dead.

    I'm not talking about music.

    Define soul. You can say you have and you feel it, but if you can't describe it to me, it's pretty much useless.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    that's not true at all. God does not work through man. who told you that? why would God set laws not to cheat; steal; etc then work through men who go against his law.
    that's absurd.

    Why do men go against his law?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    onelongsong wrote:
    that's not true at all. God does not work through man. who told you that? why would God set laws not to cheat; steal; etc then work through men who go against his law.
    that's absurd.

    God is absurd, the whole concept of gos is absurd. Why would he swet us up to fail so badly at his rules, tehn punish us for so failing ?? Becasue he is insane that is why, I do believe I said that in one of my first posts on teh moving Train.
    Who told me that, well there are all these religions out there all claiming to be doing God's work, have been for a few thousand years now. I know, Iknow, you are going to say that religions are not God, but in reality mate, when your ass is nailed to the cross, or the falmes are licking around your feet, there is no difference.
    Wake up to yourself !!
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    20 hail marys and a splash of holy water
    won't save you from the east lake stalkin' firestarter
    it's hard to, admit the way I flow just bothers ya
    lodges in ya, try to grab it but it dodges ya
    you rappers fill your flows with hodgepodge, spice em up with sewage
    rhymes so old you need embalming fluids

    who is, the dude who do this, the dude who deliver dial-in diatribes, ducking mile-high piles of MCs commiting suicide, a bunch of illiterate, illigitimate, inferiority-filled fools, who fail to, fail to, fail to

    man, they fail to whitness this, whitness that, an MC who's not afraid to spit fact, whitness this, whitness that, an MC who lays it down man just like that!

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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    soul,
    1. spiritual or immaterial part of man, held to survive death.
    2. moral and emotional part of man
    3. intellectual part of man, vital principle and mental powers of animals including man
    4. animating or or essential part, person viewed as this
    5. person viewed as embodying moral or intellectual qualities
    6. emotional or intellectual energy e.g. as revealed in work of art
    7. (of person) personification or pattern of the ~ of honor, person incapable of dishonorable conduct
    NOPE!!!

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Jeanie wrote:
    soul,
    1. spiritual or immaterial part of man, held to survive death.
    2. moral and emotional part of man
    3. intellectual part of man, vital principle and mental powers of animals including man
    4. animating or or essential part, person viewed as this
    5. person viewed as embodying moral or intellectual qualities
    6. emotional or intellectual energy e.g. as revealed in work of art
    7. (of person) personification or pattern of the ~ of honor, person incapable of dishonorable conduct

    Élan vital
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Why do men go against his law?

    man is flawed. man has greed. the prisons are full of men and women that cannot obey the law.

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