If you believe that war is the answer,

Songburst wrote:

What, exactly are you arguing now? You have established that the initial abortion post was an attempt at sarcasm. I have a feeling that we are all saying the same thing without actually saying the same thing. War is not ideal, but it is sometimes necessary. Any war that you support, you should also be willing to make a sacrifice for. I still don't know about the abortion analogy, but: "Abortions for All!"

As stated by others in this thread. It affects my tax dollars, my fellow citizens, my family even. THAT is the sacrifice I make for what I support. I think you're right, we ARE arguing the same point. Just from a different perspective. Not everyone here agrees that sometimes war is necessary. Some live in shiny happy people land, where hugs will suffice.

sponger wrote:

When two guys with machine guns rob a bank, we expect the SWAT to show up and dispose of them. It's not something I would do personally. It's what police officers are trained and paid to do. It just so happens that soldiering is not my career choice. It was their career choice. And right now in Iraq, they are following their career paths.

Seems obvious to me.


But logic tends to get thrown out the window when it comes to this topic.

sponger wrote:

When two guys with machine guns rob a bank, we expect the SWAT to show up and dispose of them. It's not something I would do personally. It's what police officers are trained and paid to do. It just so happens that soldiering is not my career choice. It was their career choice. And right now in Iraq, they are following their career paths.

Thats not the thinking here.. the idea, is not that you are going to stop your life to fight, but if you had the will to fight.. lets put it in terms of tax dollars so the concept is a little easier to understand. If we didn't have to pay taxes, but had to write a check out of our own pockets every week to pay for the war in Iraq, with a choice, would you keep writing that check? Do you have the will to keep the war going at its effect on you??? Its cost to you wether it be your life on the line or your bank account?


You are paying for the war. If you could opt to end it for a $500 tax rebate in exchange would you?

It's about will.

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Thats not the thinking here.. the idea, is not that you are going to stop your life to fight, but if you had the will to fight.. lets put it in terms of tax dollars so the concept is a little easier to understand, if we didn't have to pay taxes, but had to write a check out of our own pockets every week to pay for the war in Iraq, would you keep writing that check?

If you didnt have to pay taxes, would you still write checks to foot the bill for the police, even if they never directly protected you?

No better an analogy than mine. IMO.

sponger wrote:

When two guys with machine guns rob a bank, we expect the SWAT to show up and dispose of them. It's not something I would do personally. It's what police officers are trained and paid to do. It just so happens that soldiering is not my career choice. It was their career choice. And right now in Iraq, they are following their career paths.

so to make your analogy stand...iraq are the robbers...? how did iraq 'rob a bank'?

gue_barium wrote:

I support a woman's right to do what's best for her health.

I don't support a coward's right to be cowardly.

Abortion is one of the most cowardly things I can think of.

Rushlimbo wrote:

I know I dont. I only know what you critique about others' thoughts. I'm curious...what was the reasoning behind the marines turning you down?

I scored rather high on both the physical and mental tests. I didnt fare well in the psychological tests. Thats about all I care to share with someone who insulted me 20 minutes ago.

PaperPlates wrote:

If you didnt have to pay taxes, would you still write checks to foot the bill for the police, even if they never directly protected you?

No better an analogy than mine. IMO.

Were not saying you personally have to fight.. its more of a thought.. Do you think Iraq is a cause worth dieing for or not...


Here's a simpler question..

Would you die for your country?


I see the confusion here, and like most arguements, people are looking at the same thing very differently.

PaperPlates wrote:

There's no real point in discussing this topic with you kabong. I respect your resolve, but your mind is as made up as ours, and you have no desire nor intention of seeing anyone else's viewpoint.

A vicious, ruthless dictator was taken out of power. At the time the war was decided upon, and given the information available, I supported that move. Now that we are there, and its all gone awry, I don't support cut and run, anymore than I'd support going in there now, knowing what we now now.

But if one needs a silver lining, a vicious dictator was taken out of power.

But I digress.

I defer to my above quote.

PaperPlates wrote:

Analogies arent usually intended to be exact replicas of a situation. You're being intentionally obtuse. There's no real point in discussing this topic with you kabong. I respect your resolve, but your mind is as made up as ours, and you have no desire nor intention of seeing anyone else's viewpoint.

if mine is as made up as yours and others, then you have no intention of seeing the other viewpoint, too, right?