If you believe that war is the answer,

PaperPlates

yellowbird wrote:

oh, that was nice.
my...this turned into a crappy thread. thanks.
you guys can continue.
i'll go elsewhere.

nah, it was a crappy thread right from the start.

Take care!

yellowbird

i don't like paper plates.
the blow away in the wind

oops...sorry i said i was leaving!
my bad

PaperPlates

yellowbird wrote:

i don't like paper plates.
the blow away in the wind

oops...sorry i said i was leaving!
my bad

But everyone has a time in their life when they wish they had some paper plates.

Songburst

PaperPlates wrote:

Dumb how? In either scenario, you support killing. So, without there being a double standard, you'd better be willing to do the killing yourself......

The difference is that sometimes war is justifyable and sometimes it isn't. You can support one war and oppose another. Generally, when you "support" abortion, you are merely supporting the right to choose, you aren't necessarily supporting the actual act of aborting fetuses. By your logic, you are telling me that the nations that used force to oppose Hitler's Germany also "support" killing fetuses. Go to your local Veterans hall and tell them that. Then, after you pick your broken ass up off of the street, you might get why I thought your post was dumb.

Songburst

PaperPlates wrote:

Hey!!! An intelligent person in this thread!!!


And yes, that was the line I was responding to.



And to que, some people would consider killing an innocent baby in the womb, after YOU made the decision to have irresponsible sex a cowardly thing to do. Just an FYI, not every abortion is made to save the mothers life. Not every abortion is done with HER health in mind.

But this isnt an abortion thread. But its a "put your money where your mouth is" thread.

That standard should apply to all actions, not just the ones you want to pick and choose.

AH. Sarcasm. I retract my "dumbest post" statement. What sad times are these when posts like that are not immediately chalked up to sarcasm. Sorry man (or ma'am).

PaperPlates

Songburst wrote:

The difference is that sometimes war is justifyable and sometimes it isn't. You can support one war and oppose another. Generally, when you "support" abortion, you are merely supporting the right to choose, you aren't necessarily supporting the actual act of aborting fetuses. By your logic, you are telling me that the nations that used force to oppose Hitler's Germany also "support" killing fetuses. Go to your local Veterans hall and tell them that. Then, after you pick your broken ass up off of the street, you might get why I thought your post was dumb.

So noone who supports abortion actually supports the act itself? But everyone who acknowledges that war is sometimes justified, is a warmonger? Is that the gist of it? Sorry, im trying to understand YOUR logic.

Sorry, but I think your post is as equally dumb as you think mine.

Songburst wrote:

AH. Sarcasm. I retract my "dumbest post" statement. What sad times are these when posts like that are not immediately chalked up to sarcasm. Sorry man (or ma'am).

Man. And no worries, you aren't the first, nor the last im sure, to call my posts dumb. Its what I'm here for.

Also, its my belief, that just as you said, you can support one war, and not others, you can also support the goal of a war, while at the same time disagree with how its being run. Some people like to live their lives in black and white, but ignore all the shades of grey. Its a common human error.

gue_barium

PaperPlates wrote:

Personally, I tried to join the marines when I was 20. I was passed by. Im no coward, nor am I disillusioned in my beliefs. It wasnt about what a "real man" would do. It was about what THIS man would do. Im no coward, simply didnt qualify. But unlike many here, I realise I can only speak for myself. I don't proclaim to have the right nor ability to assume I can speak for others.

The Army would have taken you.

PaperPlates

gue_barium wrote:

The Army would have taken you.

Are you a recruiter?

Rushlimbo

gue_barium wrote:

The Army would have taken you.

Perhaps the Chickenhawk brigade?

Abookamongstthemany

The difference is... some people think war is needed and must be fought. Whereas a woman having an abortion may choose to have an abortion but I don't need her to have one nor I feel she must. It's her decision. War involves others people's sacrifice to accomplish what you feel is needed. If you feel it's so necessary to fight wars that you, yourself, won't fight then you're asking others to do what YOU feel is right and needed to be done. It's letting others do the sacrificing while you watch from the sidelines.

PaperPlates

Rushlimbo wrote:

Perhaps the Chickenhawk brigade?

Thanks for contributing. You are a shining beacon of intelligence in this quagmire of idiocy. Your posts always inspire me.












































To vomit.

PaperPlates

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

The difference is... some people think war is needed and must be fought. Whereas a woman having an abortion may choose to have an abortion but I don't need her to have one nor I feel she must. It's her decision. War involves others people's sacrifice to accomplish what you feel is needed. If you feel it's so necessary to fight wars that you, yourself, won't fight then you're asking others to do what YOU feel is right and needed to be done. It's letting others do the sacrificing while you watch from the sidelines.

The people who join the military, obviously, to some extent, joined because its what THEY felt is needed. Who are you to decided that telling a woman what she can or cant do is wrong, but telling a soldier the same thing is A okay? Our military is voluntary. Remember?

LikeAnOcean

PaperPlates wrote:

Do you support abortion? If so, you'd better be prepared and willing to go in with a scalpel or some saline solution and go to town. I mean, if you support it, you should be required to actively participate in it, right?

VERY bad comparision.. thats like saying India is at war with Pakistan, but because you side with India's cause, you are going to go over there and fight for them.. The idea here is that the war that is going to directly effect you, your tax dollars, your way of life is at stake.. would you support it if your will to fight wasn't there?

Abookamongstthemany

PaperPlates wrote:

The people who join the military, obviously, to some extent, joined because its what THEY felt is needed. Who are you to decided that telling a woman what she can or cant do is wrong, but telling a soldier the same thing is A okay? Our military is voluntary. Remember?

I'm not telling her it is right or wrong, it's not my business because I don't have any desire for her to get an abortion in the first place. She owns her own desires and backs them up with actions. You have the desire for war to be fought but rely on others to fight it.

Rushlimbo

PaperPlates wrote:

Thanks for contributing. You are a shining beacon of intelligence in this quagmire of idiocy. Your posts always inspire me.To vomit.

At least you know what a quagmire is unlike the conservative assholes you support. They say vomiting cleanses a guilty conscious.....

PaperPlates

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I'm not telling her it is right or wrong, it's not my business because I don't have any desire for her to get an abortion in the first place. She owns her own desires and backs them up with actions. You have the desire for war to be fought but rely on others to fight it.

I have a "desire for war to be fought"? Really? Wow, how'd you do that without making your lips move? I have no desire for war to be fought. Do I accept that sometimes its inevitable? Yes. Big difference. Kinda like you not really DESIRING for women to abort their babies, yet in your view, you accept that its inevitable they will want to, and support their right to do so.

PaperPlates

Rushlimbo wrote:

At least you know what a quagmire is unlike the conservative assholes you support. They say vomiting cleanses a guilty conscious.....

You have no idea what I support. I have a feeling you have no idea in general.

Clue the clueless!

El_Kabong

PaperPlates wrote:

I have a "desire for war to be fought"? Really? Wow, how'd you do that without making your lips move? I have no desire for war to be fought. Do I accept that sometimes its inevitable? Yes. Big difference. Kinda like you not really DESIRING for women to abort their babies, yet in your view, you accept that its inevitable they will want to, and support their right to do so.

do you think the war in iraq should be fought?

Songburst

PaperPlates wrote:

I have a "desire for war to be fought"? Really? Wow, how'd you do that without making your lips move? I have no desire for war to be fought. Do I accept that sometimes its inevitable? Yes. Big difference. Kinda like you not really DESIRING for women to abort their babies, yet in your view, you accept that its inevitable they will want to, and support their right to do so.

What, exactly are you arguing now? You have established that the initial abortion post was an attempt at sarcasm. I have a feeling that we are all saying the same thing without actually saying the same thing. War is not ideal, but it is sometimes necessary. Any war that you support, you should also be willing to make a sacrifice for. I still don't know about the abortion analogy, but: "Abortions for All!"

PaperPlates

El_Kabong wrote:

do you think the war in iraq should be fought?

Do I think it should have been waged to begin with? Yes. Do I think its been done correctly?> No. Do I think its a lost cause that can't be corrected? No. Do I think the current leadership can fix it? No. Do I think any future leadership can? Im no seer.