Politically correct holiday greetings or the old favorites?

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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Banana-Rama wrote:
    Where I work they were scared of calling our staff Christmas party a Christmas party, so they re-named it...I shit you not....Generic Winter Holiday Staff Get-To-Gether.

    I actually think that's funny.
  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    Banana-Rama wrote:
    Where I work they were scared of calling our staff Christmas party a Christmas party, so they re-named it...I shit you not....Generic Winter Holiday Staff Get-To-Gether.

    lmao

    that's awesome!

    lemme axe you this - did they call it that to be facetious, or was that a genuine attempt to be unoffensive?
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Wow! Its already that time of year again this debate to flare up.




    MERRY CHRISTMAS, fuckers. ;)
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    cornnifer wrote:
    Wow! Its already that time of year again this debate to flare up.




    MERRY CHRISTMAS, fuckers. ;)


    Happy Holidays Biotch
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    aNiMaL wrote:
    I don't know why you would do that. You've lost me.

    Hippiemom, do you celebrate Christmas? Do you put up a Christmas tree?

    If not, what do you celebrate?
    Because you said I should wish other people a happy whatever-I-celebrate. So if I'm celebrating the solstice, I should wish my Jewish and Christian friends a happy solstice? That makes no sense. I'm not worried about offending anyone ... I've already said that anyone who gets offended by people saying nice things to them is an idiot. I'd just rather offer a greeting that makes some kind of sense. My Jewish and Christian friends aren't going to have a solstice party, happy or otherwise, so it would be a stupid thing to say to them.

    I wouldn't say that I "celebrate" Christmas. I would say that I get reluctantly dragged along to various Christmas gatherings in an attempt to keep my parents and in-laws happy.

    Personally, the only winter event that has any meaning for me whatsoever is the solstice, as a celebration of nature and the passing of the seasons, the return of the sun, that sort of thing. I do put up a tree ... I call it a solstice tree, my husband calls it a Christmas tree, my kids call it "the tree," no one argues about it. Don't give me any shit about my tree either, the pagans were doing the tree thing long before the Christians ;)
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    hippiemom wrote:
    Because you said I should wish other people a happy whatever-I-celebrate. So if I'm celebrating the solstice, I should wish my Jewish and Christian friends a happy solstice? That makes no sense. I'm not worried about offending anyone ... I've already said that anyone who gets offended by people saying nice things to them is an idiot. I'd just rather offer a greeting that makes some kind of sense. My Jewish and Christian friends aren't going to have a solstice party, happy or otherwise, so it would be a stupid thing to say to them.

    I wouldn't say that I "celebrate" Christmas. I would say that I get reluctantly dragged along to various Christmas gatherings in an attempt to keep my parents and in-laws happy.

    Personally, the only winter event that has any meaning for me whatsoever is the solstice, as a celebration of nature and the passing of the seasons, the return of the sun, that sort of thing. I do put up a tree ... I call it a solstice tree, my husband calls it a Christmas tree, my kids call it "the tree," no one argues about it. Don't give me any shit about my tree either, the pagans were doing the tree thing long before the Christians ;)
    Then yes, if the Winter Solstice is what has meaning to you....then you should absolutely wish your Jewish and Christian friends a Happy Solstice. That would be way more sincere than wishing them a Merry Christmas or Happy Hanukkah coming from you. If that bothers the people you give the greeting to....then that is their problem.

    And no need to wink at me. I pointed out that it is a Pagan tradition that we celebrate today in my opening post. ;)
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Then yes, if the Winter Solstice is what has meaning to you....then you should absolutely wish your Jewish and Christian friends a Happy Solstice. That would be way more sincere than wishing them a Merry Christmas or Happy Hanukkah coming from you. If that bothers the people you give the greeting to....then that is their problem.

    And no need to wink at me. I pointed out that it is a Pagan tradition that we celebrate today in my opening post. ;)
    My greetings are most sincere! I DO sincerely want my Jewish friends to have a happy Hannukah, my Christian friends to have a merry Christmas! They're not going to have a solstice at all, who am I kidding? The Jews will be in the middle of their Hannukah celebrations on the day of the solstice, and the Christians will mostly be busy in a mad flurry of last-minute shopping and baking. I'd feel like an idiot wishing them a happy solstice, it wouldn't be sincere at all.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Then yes, if the Winter Solstice is what has meaning to you....then you should absolutely wish your Jewish and Christian friends a Happy Solstice. That would be way more sincere than wishing them a Merry Christmas or Happy Hanukkah coming from you. If that bothers the people you give the greeting to....then that is their problem.

    And no need to wink at me. I pointed out that it is a Pagan tradition that we celebrate today in my opening post. ;)

    AnImAl:

    I'm suprised how opinionated, one sided and stubborn you are being on this (unbeliveably stupid) issue. Usually I point to you when I want to steer towards level headed, middle of the road thinking.

    I am a sworn enemy of political correctness. I disagree with those that think you should say happy holidays or seasons greetings so as to not offend anyone. At the same time I also disagree with those that feel you should say Merry Christmas to support (bandwagon) Christianity.

    Albeit for completely different reasons pagan or religious, you're in the same boat with some very screwed up people.
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    AnImAl:

    I'm suprised how opinionated, one sided and stubborn you are being on this (unbeliveably stupid) issue. Usually I point to you when I want to steer towards level headed, middle of the road thinking.

    I am a sworn enemy of political correctness. I disagree with those that think you should say happy holidays or seasons greetings so as to not offend anyone. At the same time I also disagree with those that feel you should say Merry Christmas to support (bandwagon) Christianity.

    Albeit for completely different reasons pagan or religious, you're in the same boat with some very screwed up people.
    That's fair and I know my position lends people to think that I feel this way for different reasons than I really do. You and I are damn near in complete agreement except for the hearing or thinking about Christ when I see or say the word Christmas. I understand that most people who side with this argument do so for religious Christian reasons....that is not me. And it is another example of how I think independently of any organized group.

    another (off the wall) example...I am a liberal who supports Pro-choice, the death penalty, and our right to bear arms. Call me crazy.....but I make up my own mind....as I suspect you do also.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Do you prnounce CHRIST-Mas....or do you pronounce it Krissmas? Do you think of Christ or do you think about family, friends, food, and gift giving?

    I am the latter.

    If it is a National Holiday then the government and schools should celebrate it openly.

    i am the latter. which is why i dont give a damn what greetings i receive or what people call it. as long as i get the day off to see my family and get some swag under the tree... they can call it happy hitler day for all i care. ok, maybe that's a bit far, but you should see my point.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Then yes, if the Winter Solstice is what has meaning to you....then you should absolutely wish your Jewish and Christian friends a Happy Solstice. That would be way more sincere than wishing them a Merry Christmas or Happy Hanukkah coming from you. If that bothers the people you give the greeting to....then that is their problem.

    And no need to wink at me. I pointed out that it is a Pagan tradition that we celebrate today in my opening post. ;)

    that seems backwards to me. you ought to wish them what THEY celebrate to show that you are aware of what is important in their lives and their happiness matters to you. i tailor those things to people, not becos i want them to enjoy MY holiday, but becos i want the to enjoy whatever it is in their life that they value. so i wish my jewish friends happy hannukah, my family merry christmas, and people i dont know happy holidays.
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    aNiMaL wrote:
    That's fair and I know my position lends people to think that I feel this way for different reasons than I really do. You and I are damn near in complete agreement except for the hearing or thinking about Christ when I see or say the word Christmas. I understand that most people who side with this argument do so for religious Christian reasons....that is not me. And it is another example of how I think independently of any organized group.

    another (off the wall) example...I am a liberal who supports Pro-choice, the death penalty, and our right to bear arms. Call me crazy.....but I make up my own mind....as I suspect you do also.

    Absolutely

    I remember a time when christians were up in arms over christmas being over commercialized. Been awhile since you heard that.

    If I see someone with a cross around their neck or a Santa Claus hat on their head I'll usually say merry christmas. If I'm not sure what their stance is, I'll say Happy Holidays it's easier and covers pretty much everyone.

    the only thing sillier than this issue is the fact that it's an issue at all.
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    soulsinging wrote:
    that seems backwards to me. you ought to wish them what THEY celebrate to show that you are aware of what is important in their lives and their happiness matters to you. i tailor those things to people, not becos i want them to enjoy MY holiday, but becos i want the to enjoy whatever it is in their life that they value. so i wish my jewish friends happy hannukah, my family merry christmas, and people i dont know happy holidays.
    That's the main place we differ.

    I would rather a Jewish person wish me a Happy Hanukkah, because that is what they are sincere about, rather than them switching their greeting up to try and fit what they think I want to hear.

    Besides that, I think we're all on the same page for the most part.
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,128
    soulsinging wrote:
    i am the latter. which is why i dont give a damn what greetings i receive or what people call it. as long as i get the day off to see my family and get some swag under the tree... they can call it happy hitler day for all i care. ok, maybe that's a bit far, but you should see my point.
    happy hitler day.....

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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    aNiMaL wrote:
    That's the main place we differ.

    I would rather a Jewish person wish me a Happy Hanukkah, because that is what they are sincere about, rather than them switching their greeting up to try and fit what they think I want to hear.

    Besides that, I think we're all on the same page for the most part.
    What I'm sincere about is wishing my friends a good time with whatever celebrations they may have. A Jewish person who sincerely wants me to have a happy Hannukah is delusional, because I'm not going to have a Hannukah at all. Now, that's not to say I'd get insulted if a Jew that I don't know wished me a happy Hannukah ... quite the contrary, I think it's nice, and I'd take it that way and wish them the same in return. But if one of my Jewish friends who knows good and well that I'm not Jewish wished me a happy Hannukah, I'd have to wonder if they were losing their marbles.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    aNiMaL wrote:
    That's the main place we differ.

    I would rather a Jewish person wish me a Happy Hanukkah, because that is what they are sincere about, rather than them switching their greeting up to try and fit what they think I want to hear.

    Besides that, I think we're all on the same page for the most part.

    who says i am not sincere when i wish them a happy hannukah? i am totally sincere. and it makes more sense, becos they will actually be celebrating hannukah. wishing a jewish person merry christmas makes no sense... you might as well just say "have a nice day." cos they aren't celebrating it. you dont wish someone a happy birthday on YOUR birthday. it's about THEIR celebration, not yours. thus, your friends ought to wish you a merry xmas becos you celebrate xmas. your government ought to say happy holidays becos everyone in the municipiality is celebrating a diff holiday.
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    soulsinging. you dont wish someone a happy birthday on YOUR birthday. it's about THEIR celebration, not yours.[/quote wrote:

    Being a big fan of analogies, i think this is a damn good one.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    cornnifer wrote:
    Being a big fan of analogies, i think this is a damn good one.
    I agree, nicely done!
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • 1970RR
    1970RR Posts: 281
    soulsinging wrote:
    who says i am not sincere when i wish them a happy hannukah? i am totally sincere. and it makes more sense, becos they will actually be celebrating hannukah. wishing a jewish person merry christmas makes no sense... you might as well just say "have a nice day." cos they aren't celebrating it. you dont wish someone a happy birthday on YOUR birthday. it's about THEIR celebration, not yours. thus, your friends ought to wish you a merry xmas becos you celebrate xmas. your government ought to say happy holidays becos everyone in the municipiality is celebrating a diff holiday.
    But this obligates you to know the other persons holiday preference. It would work for those you know, but not so good with the general populace.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    1970RR wrote:
    But this obligates you to know the other persons holiday preference. It would work for those you know, but not so good with the general populace.

    which is why we say happy holidays when we dont know what they celebrate and why it's stupid for people to get wound up when people/stores/governments/offices/whatever dont say merry christmas.

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