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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    maybe the type of person you need to plant wmd's is not the type of person you want to have wmds.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Commy wrote:
    maybe the type of person you need to plant wmd's is not the type of person you want to have wmds.


    That's quite possible. Who do you trust in a game where everyone is corrupt and in it for themselves?

    Blackmail opportunities abound I'm sure. I suppose unless Bush, Cheney, or Rice etc.. personally strap on the boots and ski masks and tip toe in the night it can be seen as a loss of control of the situation.

    Here.....you go plant the murder weapon. No way...you go plant it. Well who's going to plant it? fuck...
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    So why lie about WMD's if you're not going to plant WMD'S

    anyone?

    So why not plant WMDs if you're going to lie about them? We could have this circular argument all day.
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  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    Why risk planting WMD's? At the beginning of the Iraq war we didn't need the WMD excuse 70+% of the US citizens were for the war.

    It wasn't until the insurgency several months later that the media started asking the appropriate questions.

    I'm suspicious of the "official" report of 9/11.

    Al Queda? Yeah right....
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    That's quite possible. Who do you trust in a game where everyone is corrupt and in it for themselves?

    Blackmail opportunities abound I'm sure. I suppose unless Bush, Cheney, or Rice etc.. personally strap on the boots and ski masks and tip toe in the night it can be seen as a loss of control of the situation.

    Here.....you go plant the murder weapon. No way...you go plant it. Well who's going to plant it? fuck...

    So this administration was smart enough to plan and execute the murder of 3,000 of its own civilians, with the help of a bunch of Islamic fascists sworn to hate us, plan it down to the tiniest detail and keep the whole thing under wraps for seven years ... but too stupid to be able to throw some WMD out in the desert?

    Give me a break.

    There's an old tenet of science that says, in 99.9 percent of circumstances, the most reasonable explanation is usually the correct one.

    In this instance, it's that this group of Islamic terrorists who have been threatening to blow up something on U.S. soil -- and EVEN TRIED TO BLOW UP THE WTC BEFORE 9/11 -- actually did what they said they were going to do. I don't know why you won't believe them. It's weird.

    In the WMD instance, the most reasonable explanation is the administration figured, "Hell, Saddam has used WMD before. We even GAVE him some back in the 80s. It's a pretty sure-fire bet we'll turn up something to justify this invasion."
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    Why risk planting WMD's? At the beginning of the Iraq war we didn't need the WMD excuse 70+% of the US citizens were for the war.

    .

    If they had planted WMDs and "found" them, 70 percent of the U.S. citizenry would still be for the war. That's why you risk it. And frankly, what risk? Just call a press conference, say, "Look what we found," payoff the appropriate people to back the story, and voila. It's not really that hard.
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  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Nope, I hate labels. They are often unhelpful. And for the record, are you not dismissing me as we "speak" (type)?


    Nope im not dismissing you b/c of a label; im basing it based on posts.
  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    slightofjeff wrote:
    If they had planted WMDs and "found" them, 70 percent of the U.S. citizenry would still be for the war. That's why you risk it. And frankly, what risk? Just call a press conference, say, "Look what we found," payoff the appropriate people to back the story, and voila. It's not really that hard.

    I don't see planting a WMD as simple as a cop planting a bag of crack on a street hoodlum.

    No one would ask questions where that came from.

    You go planting WMD's in Iraq then you open a whole 'nother can o worms.

    You couldn't plant Nukes...there would just be way too many questions to have to fabricate for that. Where did they come from??? Who would we point the finger at???

    Biological weapons???? Way too dangerous to be hauling those around in a Uhaul van in Iraq. Besides "how did they get there?" would be the question on everyone's lips...so then they would have to sneak in some lab and plant it....

    Gas???...we knew Saddam had gas anyway ...so that wouldn't be great enough WMD.

    So we would really have to come up with a whole bunch of answers to cover up WMD's....besides if we planted WMD's all of a sudden this scares the shit out of everyone.... how effective would the troops be if actual WMD's were discovered???? Would the common citizenry of the US be so gallant to send their children swashbuckling around in a country with dangerous weapons at hand???

    Who knows, there may have actually been WMD's and they didn't tell us about them for fear of fear.

    This is why I say if Iran actually had a nuke we wouldn't be so brash about all this talk of invasion. We'd be much nicer to them ala North Korea.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    I don't see planting a WMD as simple as a cop planting a bag of crack on a street hoodlum.

    No one would ask questions where that came from.

    You go planting WMD's in Iraq then you open a whole 'nother can o worms.

    You couldn't plant Nukes...there would just be way too many questions to have to fabricate for that. Where did they come from??? Who would we point the finger at???
    I think this is how this was put to bed last time it came up. There would have been a demand for international inspection of what was found....they would have either had to have been proven to be Iraqi-made, or stolen from some other country, which would have dragged said country into the fray to defend themselves...way too risky. As was stated, they didn't need to find them to go invade, so why would they bother?
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    slightofjeff wrote:
    If they had planted WMDs and "found" them, 70 percent of the U.S. citizenry would still be for the war. That's why you risk it. And frankly, what risk? Just call a press conference, say, "Look what we found," payoff the appropriate people to back the story, and voila. It's not really that hard.


    You can't payoff governments that hate the USA to NOT disclose SATELLITE PHOTOGRAPHS

    ask Bush Sr., Powell, and his cronies how that worked out following the first Gulf War, when Russia released satellite photos proving that no tanks were on the border of Kuwait.

    :rolleyes:

    Think about it.
    Planting WMDs involves a rather large gathering of troops in flat desert.
    Not exactly hard to play "spot the US troops" in that situation, when you already know where they "found" them.
    You just go back through the satellite imagery of that area, and look.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Also, FYI ... and you can see this for yourself in the movie "Washington, You're Fired",

    American WMDs are marked with color coded bars.
    Middle eastern WMDs are marked with arabic letters.

    That means we would either have to FAKE the writing on arabic WMDs, or buy them creating a potential paper trail, or plant our OWN WMDs, which would then just give the international community another reason to laugh at us ... because we would be in violation of international law by selling those things to Saddam in the first place.

    That is why in "Washington, You're Fired" you see US soldiers filming a bunker in Iraq full of US ORIGIN WMDs (filming, AGAINST orders, by the way) RIGHT BEFORE THEY BLOW THE WHOLE THING UP.

    Why did they blow it up?
    Just like i said,
    it would be a HUGE embarrassement to actualy FIND WMDs, but then have the world realize they were OUR WMDs!

    How do you respond to that?
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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Also, FYI ... and you can see this for yourself in the movie "Washington, You're Fired",

    American WMDs are marked with color coded bars.
    Middle eastern WMDs are marked with arabic letters.

    That means we would either have to FAKE the writing on arabic WMDs, or buy them creating a potential paper trail, or plant our OWN WMDs, which would then just give the international community another reason to laugh at us ... because we would be in violation of international law by selling those things to Saddam in the first place.

    That is why in "Washington, You're Fired" you see US soldiers filming a bunker in Iraq full of US ORIGIN WMDs (filming, AGAINST orders, by the way) RIGHT BEFORE THEY BLOW THE WHOLE THING UP.

    Why did they blow it up?
    Just like i said,
    it would be a HUGE embarrassement to actualy FIND WMDs, but then have the world realize they were OUR WMDs!

    How do you respond to that?


    Level with me, Driftin' ... You're just like The Dude from the Big Lebowski, aren't you?
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Also, FYI ... and you can see this for yourself in the movie "Washington, You're Fired",

    American WMDs are marked with color coded bars.
    Middle eastern WMDs are marked with arabic letters.

    That means we would either have to FAKE the writing on arabic WMDs, or buy them creating a potential paper trail, or plant our OWN WMDs, which would then just give the international community another reason to laugh at us ... because we would be in violation of international law by selling those things to Saddam in the first place.

    That is why in "Washington, You're Fired" you see US soldiers filming a bunker in Iraq full of US ORIGIN WMDs (filming, AGAINST orders, by the way) RIGHT BEFORE THEY BLOW THE WHOLE THING UP.

    Why did they blow it up?
    Just like i said,
    it would be a HUGE embarrassement to actualy FIND WMDs, but then have the world realize they were OUR WMDs!

    How do you respond to that?

    We don't have a single person in America who knows how to paint the letters "W," "M" and "D" in Arabic? Jesus, we're more fucked than I thought.

    But seriously ... I'm willing to admit that it probably would be difficult to plant W.M.D. in Iraq ... but more difficult than the U.S. government conspiring with Al Qaeda to blow up the WTC towers, hit the Pentagon, kill 3,000 people and keep it all under wraps in the planning, execution and cover-up stages?

    Nah, I'm not buying it.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Level with me, Driftin' ... You're just like The Dude from the Big Lebowski, aren't you?
    :)

    I've said it before, and i'll say it again:

    This unchecked agression will not stand!

    :D
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    slightofjeff wrote:
    So this administration was smart enough to plan and execute the murder of 3,000 of its own civilians, with the help of a bunch of Islamic fascists sworn to hate us, plan it down to the tiniest detail and keep the whole thing under wraps for seven years ... but too stupid to be able to throw some WMD out in the desert?

    Give me a break.

    There's an old tenet of science that says, in 99.9 percent of circumstances, the most reasonable explanation is usually the correct one.

    In this instance, it's that this group of Islamic terrorists who have been threatening to blow up something on U.S. soil -- and EVEN TRIED TO BLOW UP THE WTC BEFORE 9/11 -- actually did what they said they were going to do. I don't know why you won't believe them. It's weird.

    In the WMD instance, the most reasonable explanation is the administration figured, "Hell, Saddam has used WMD before. We even GAVE him some back in the 80s. It's a pretty sure-fire bet we'll turn up something to justify this invasion."


    ....eh
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    says you...and you are an expert at what exactly?

    pfft...

    Internet jackassery ... same as you.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Internet jackassery ... same as you.

    ....eh
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    ....eh

    I think that's Rolandspeak for "Aw, fuck, he got me!".
    ;)
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I think that's Rolandspeak for "Aw, fuck, he got me!".
    ;)

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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    slightofjeff wrote:
    a small victory is still a victory.

    can i join this circle jerk, too?
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