An historical day for Ireland

dunkman wrote:

you cant teach kids the "bad history" though


i'm of the opinion that people shouldnt be bitter to a country that maybe did some bad shit to them 400 odd years ago... if i was bitter then i'd have a lot of England hating to do, but i just cant be arsed... why feel bitter about it when it happened years ago, and was done by some men in suits who are long dead...

the world would be a better place without kids growing up holding grudges towards countries methinks.

ah but see, and this is the conversation I DIDN'T want to get into, if it ended 400 years ago then yes, you would have a point. But it didn't, I'm sure siochan can tell you a lot about her growing up and this isn't too long ago. Bloody sunday 1 was in 1920, the other in the 60s, the Dublin/Monaghan bombings (which we now know the British government knew about and helped) were in the 70s. People who were around in the 60s and 70s aren't all that old now dunk, it's a very recent thing a lot of it and yes, the bitterness is still there for lots. On the other side you've had the IRA bombings as late as 1998.

I believe kids should NOT grow up holding grudges but that's up to the parents. Two kids go to the same class, one buys a gun, the other runs for government. But we need to know our history. One day we'll be able to look back on it AS history and understand where we and our culture came from (I mean are the English still bitter towards the Romans?) but right now, it's still all too recent for a lot of people.

gaz wrote:

Did I mention him being a Loyalist or Unionist or anything else for that matter?No,I did'nt.I simply said I could'nt believe that somebody who grew up in the 32 counties did'nt know about Bloody sunday.That is all I said,ok?I'm glad you told him what happened,now he knows the significance of yesterday in all it's forms and that's a good thing.

Ok, sorry for taking you up wrong. I do agree with you, I just don't necessarily blame him but it is a bad thing. One thing that makes it easier to deal with though is maybe yesterday DID go the way it was supposed to go and those women and kids who died in Croke park are laughing from wherever they are

Yep, I read in the back of the independant today that Peter Hain may lay a wreath and somebody may apologise . I'm really not sure I could see it happening but if it does this would be HUGE! :eek:

darkcrow wrote:

the old enemy have been dispatched once again and the world is shown who are the men and who are the boys.
farrell should go back to his pussy league.
ahhh what a great game. boss's try at the end was just the perfect icing. if this performance has clearly cemented our top 2/3 position in the world. possibly the only team that cna beat the all blacks. i can just smell that tripple crown

Wasn't it just amazing??? I'm so glad it all passed off peacefully, I knew the majority wouldn't boo the anthem but I thought there's bound to be one or two small pockets of people who let us all down... but no, the crowd did us proud, the team... well there are no words . I'm just feeling soooooooo smug. There was no slagging in the pub afterwards, I felt so sorry for the English fans and, in fairness, we were there two weeks ago . We've got the triple crown hopefully, the championship is still a possibility but I can't see France tripping up. Regarding the world cup, I'll be happy to see us top the group. We certainly ARE the 2nd best team in the world right now, a 20 second lapse in concentration against France says otherwise but I think it's time for us to do something special.