An historical day for Ireland

darkcrow

dunkman wrote:

that was sorta my point as well... France LOST the world cup on that night... Ireland only lost a game, and so they can still win the tournament.. its a defeat but its not like Ireland have walked out of the competition :rolleyes:

it is not the competition itself but the grandslam that everyone wants to win. yes we can win the 6nations on points, but who wants that? we wanted to beat everyone and prove we are the second best team in the world. cant wait till we face england, they will be slaughtered like the chickens they are

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

well that's how it felt to me lol, I love the way you all seem to know how I feel.

but you said "To compare, for us it was like France losing the world cup final to Italy."

I love the way you seem to know how the French felt after that game :rolleyes:

Heineken Helen

darkcrow wrote:

it is not the competition itself but the grandslam that everyone wants to win. yes we can win the 6nations on points, but who wants that? we wanted to beat everyone and prove we are the second best team in the world. cant wait till we face england, they will be slaughtered like the chickens they are

Exactly! Yesterday we lost what WOULD have been our first grand slam in 60 years... and that's WITHOUT mentioning the history even.

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

but you said "To compare, for us it was like France losing the world cup final to Italy."

I love the way you seem to know how the French felt after that game :rolleyes:

well even the French I was talking to last night compared the two. That was where I got the comparison from. When they saw what we were like they said they understand how we feel BECAUSE of that match!

redrock

Heineken Helen wrote:

One fella did get a couple of slaps though :mad: he told me to get my tits out :eek: I slapped him, then he said 'oh I'm sorry, I thought you were English' :eek: so he got another slap. .

HAHAHAHAHA :D:D

gaz

Heineken Helen wrote:

well that's how it felt to me lol, I love the way you all seem to know how I feel.[/quote

You never said it was how you personally felt,you simply said:"To compare,for us it was like France losing the World cup final to Italy".Now I could be wrong but I thought the us you referred to was us as a country. All is not lost,that's all I'm saying.They could still do it.Be positive,for fucks sake!

redrock

darkcrow wrote:

we wanted to beat everyone and prove we are the second best team in the world. cant wait till we face england, they will be slaughtered like the chickens they are

Might sound like a very silly question Darkcrow, seeing as I know you but....... do you have Irish blood? Lots of 'we' when speaking of the irish!!!!!

Heineken Helen

redrock wrote:

HAHAHAHAHA :D:D

seriously can you believe that? :eek: Like if I were English it would have been ok? Or I would have got them out maybe is what he meant . My friend had a run in with one Saturday night also who actually pulled her top down :eek: and put his face 'in' :eek: . I think he got a slap too and was kicked out of the pub.

Heineken Helen

gaz wrote:

You never said it was how you personally felt,you simply said:"To compare,for us it was like France losing the World cup final to Italy".Now I could be wrong but I thought the us you referred to was us as a country. All is not lost,that's all I'm saying.They could still do it.Be positive,for fucks sake!

The people I was talking to last night were in agreement... and I'd say most of the 81 whatever thousand were too. I'm comparing FEELINGS here... there ARE no stats :rolleyes:

And they CAN'T still do the grand slam.

darkcrow

redrock wrote:

Might sound like a very silly question Darkcrow, seeing as I know you but....... do you have Irish blood? Lots of 'we' when speaking of the irish!!!!!

well tracing back my heratige i have found out that my indian roots do stretch to ireland lol. to cut a long story short it was my irish friends that got me into rugby, i started following the celtic league (supporting MUNSTER), and so support ireland. also my irish friends say i am an "adopted irishman". which is all good for me lol

redrock

I understand now Darkcrow... get a bit of ginger dye in your hair for when you go over there!!!

Heineken Helen

darkcrow wrote:

well tracing back my heratige i have found out that my indian roots do stretch to ireland lol. to cut a long story short it was my irish friends that got me into rugby, i started following the celtic league (supporting MUNSTER), and so support ireland. also my irish friends say i am an "adopted irishman". which is all good for me lol

well we welcome you... you're doing a pretty good job

gaz

Heineken Helen wrote:

The people I was talking to last night were in agreement... and I'd say most of the 81 whatever thousand were too. I'm comparing FEELINGS here... there ARE no stats :rolleyes:

And they CAN'T still do the grand slam.

I did'nt mean they could still do the Grand slam,do you think I'm fucking stupid or something? And what's all this stuff about the history?Yeah it was historical up to and including the kick off,but after that it's just like any other game,as will the England game be just like any other six nations game.The historic decision was made and yesterday history was made,and I'm not ashamed to say I was proud to be an Irish man,but we have to let it go now.Ireland now play at croke park,great,Why keep bringing up the past?It's time we moved on now,what's done is done.

Heineken Helen

gaz wrote:

I did'nt mean they could still do the Grand slam,do you think I'm fucking stupid or something? And what's all this stuff about the history?Yeah it was historical up to and including the kick off,but after that it's just like any other game,as will the England game be just like any other six nations game.The historic decision was made and yesterday history was made,and I'm not ashamed to say I was proud to be an Irish man,but we have to let it go now.Ireland now play at croke park,great,Why keep bringing up the past?It's time we moved on now,what's done is done.

Huh? What the fuck are you talking about? :rolleyes: YOUR opinion and how YOU feel about it? Yes the occasion was forgotten about once teh game started BUT it was still a game we were supposed to win. Jesus, just cos you're able to get over it doesn't fucking mean everyone else can. It was heartbreaking, like somebody fucking died. :rolleyes: I just don't get some people.

gaz

Heineken Helen wrote:

Huh? What the fuck are you talking about? :rolleyes: YOUR opinion and how YOU feel about it? Yes the occasion was forgotten about once teh game started BUT it was still a game we were supposed to win. Jesus, just cos you're able to get over it doesn't fucking mean everyone else can. It was heartbreaking, like somebody fucking died. :rolleyes: I just don't get some people.

Do you not think you're overreacting slightly?"like somebody died"?Are you for real?Roll your fucking eyes all you want,that last comment was pathetic and immature.I'm glad you don't get me cos I sure as fuck don't get you.It was a game,we lost.GET OVER IT!!

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

It was heartbreaking, like somebody fucking died. :rolleyes: I just don't get some people.

it was a fucking game of sport... a GAME!!! men chasing and throwing a funny shaped ball... big deal... death doesnt enter the equation, and if it does then people need some serious help!!

Heineken Helen

Right well obviously you two feel fucking different about it - great for you :rolleyes: (yes I'll do that all I want). No need to keep fucking going on about it THAT'S what I don't get. So YOU'RE not heartbroken, I, and many others, am! What's so fucking hard to understand?

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

What's so fucking hard to understand?

nothing... your reaction to a game is hard to understand but i do understand it.

remember it was you who started threads saying it was an historical day for ireland... maybe it should have been "its an historical day for irish rugby" as i think Ireland getting rid of english rule is deemed more "historical".

you are the one equating it to someone dying... which verges on the side of nonsenical.. i've watched scotland at football amtches, so i know what heartache is i've just never equated it to someone dying... yeah sure its pretty annoying but i've never lost sleep and i've never even let my mood be down the following day!

its a fucking game

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

remember it was you who started threads saying it was an historical day for ireland... maybe it should have been "its an historical day for irish rugby" as i think Ireland getting rid of english rule is deemed more "historical".

Yes there are MORE historical days :rolleyes: doesn't mean something isn't historical cos it's not the MOST historical :rolleyes:

Anyway, I apologise dunk :rolleyes: why don't you go ahead and tell me and so many others how we SHOULD be feeling! It's an historical day for Irish rugby, yes, for Irish sport, yes, AND for Ireland. To say otherwise means you really don't have a clue.

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

Yes there are MORE historical days :rolleyes: doesn't mean something isn't historical cos it's not the MOST historical :rolleyes:

Anyway, I apologise dunk :rolleyes: why don't you go ahead and tell me and so many others how we SHOULD be feeling! It's an historical day for Irish rugby, yes, for Irish sport, yes, AND for Ireland. To say otherwise means you really don't have a clue.

to say otherwise means i dont give a fuck.. its only a game, you're attaching some gigantic significance to a sport... big deal :rolleyes:

attaching historical importance is something else entirely.. ask the population what year the Easter uprising was and hopefull 90%+ should be able to tell you... wait 100 years and ask them what was so significant about a rugby match and they'll probably just look blankly at you

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

to say otherwise means i dont give a fuck.. its only a game, you're attaching some gigantic significance to a sport... big deal :rolleyes:

attaching historical importance is something else entirely.. ask the population what year the Easter uprising was and hopefull 90%+ should be able to tell you... wait 100 years and ask them what was so significant about a rugby match and they'll probably just look blankly at you

Oh no, it's not ME attaching something gigantic to the game... that was already done. Give it up dunk, you couldn't possibly understand. Do a news google search on 'Croke Park' and see which one of them does NOT mention the word 'historical' and yet, I didn't write any of them . I'm sorry but you're just getting ridiculous now in order to keep the argument going.

On another note, apparently England is considering apologising for bloody sunday (no. 1) on the 24th

http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-239/0702121357161654.htm

gaz

Heineken Helen wrote:

Oh no, it's not ME attaching something gigantic to the game... that was already done. Give it up dunk, you couldn't possibly understand. Do a news google search on 'Croke Park' and see which one of them does NOT mention the word 'historical' and yet, I didn't write any of them . I'm sorry but you're just getting ridiculous now in order to keep the argument going.

On another note, apparently England is considering apologising for bloody sunday (no. 1) on the 24th

http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-239/0702121357161654.htm

So what if they fuckin apologise,does that make it ok?Do you not think it's a bit fuckin late for that?Are they doing it so we won't boo god save the fucking queen?

Heineken Helen

gaz wrote:

So what if they fuckin apologise,does that make it ok?Do you not think it's a bit fuckin late for that?Are they doing it so we won't boo god save the fucking queen?

What? I think it would be a nice gesture and som eof the most nationalist people I know have said the same. Would you not think it would be a nice gesture? I'm not expecting it but if it happened it would be most welcome.

Some stupid people will probably boo the anthem anyway, nothing I or you or the British foreign minister can do about that if they do.

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

Oh no, it's not ME attaching something gigantic to the game... that was already done. Give it up dunk, you couldn't possibly understand. Do a news google search on 'Croke Park' and see which one of them does NOT mention the word 'historical' and yet, I didn't write any of them . I'm sorry but you're just getting ridiculous now in order to keep the argument going.

On another note, apparently England is considering apologising for bloody sunday (no. 1) on the 24th

http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-239/0702121357161654.htm

i'm ridiculing your reaction to a sport... not the historical significance.

gaz

Heineken Helen wrote:

What? I think it would be a nice gesture and som eof the most nationalist people I know have said the same. Would you not think it would be a nice gesture? I'm not expecting it but if it happened it would be most welcome.

Some stupid people will probably boo the anthem anyway, nothing I or you or the British foreign minister can do about that if they do.

It would have been a nice gesture in 1920 or '21 or'22 etc.Why now?Did the brits just realise that the murder scene is still there?Don't get me wrong,I'm all for progress,especially in my own country,but it seems that because Croke Park is in the public eye(as far as the uk is concerned)they suddenly feel the need to apologise.Kinda fuckin stinks if you ask me.

Heineken Helen

gaz wrote:

It would have been a nice gesture in 1920 or '21 or'22 etc.Why now?Did the brits just realise that the murder scene is still there?Don't get me wrong,I'm all for progress,especially in my own country,but it seems that because Croke Park is in the public eye(as far as the uk is concerned)they suddenly feel the need to apologise.Kinda fuckin stinks if you ask me.

well yes, I'd totally agree the apology should have been there long ago but it wasn't and you're the one who suggested I move on from being stuck in the past. I don't feel as strongly as I'm sure many do and they have every right to... but I think an apology, however late, would be significant. I think the lack of any kind of apology is what keeps some people from moving on.

gaz

Heineken Helen wrote:

well yes, I'd totally agree the apology should have been there long ago but it wasn't and you're the one who suggested I move on from being stuck in the past. I don't feel as strongly as I'm sure many do and they have every right to... but I think an apology, however late, would be significant. I think the lack of any kind of apology is what keeps some people from moving on.

I see your point.An apology now is................I don't want to say meaningless,I'm just a bit suspicious of their motives I suppose.I consider myself a Repuplican and I'm wary of the british hierarchy in general from the government to the monarchy,it's just the way I am and I make no apologies for it.As I said,it's their motives i have difficulty with.

Heineken Helen

gaz wrote:

I see your point.An apology now is................I don't want to say meaningless,I'm just a bit suspicious of their motives I suppose.I consider myself a Repuplican and I'm wary of the british hierarchy in general from the government to the monarchy,it's just the way I am and I make no apologies for it.As I said,it's their motives i have difficulty with.

What motives do you think there could be? I see the only possible motives as easing relations between the countries... ok well maybe not motive, but the only possible outcome. If they do apologise that's one less thing people have to remain bitter about. I'm pretty wary of them too but I think if we don't get anything under the Blair administration, we'll never get it.

redrock

gaz wrote:

I'm just a bit suspicious of their motives I suppose.

Suspicious of motive or timing?

Heineken Helen

redrock wrote:

Suspicious of motive or timing?

I think the timing would be good - considering the whole 'event', the GAA opening their grounds to allow England to come and play at their headquarters, it IS an olive branch of sorts and a significant step. Not that we WANT anything back but the opportunity is there for them to give something back. It doesn't arise very often. Those who MAY boo the anthem are the types of people who will boo it apology or not.