Saay NO to violence against women!
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I'm sorry, I can tell that people who have a different opinion than you hold threaten your fragile little ego. I'll stop immediately.Ahnimus wrote:No, they are stats that actually record DV where men were victims. Don't be an asshole, asshole.0
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prism wrote:both of the links I gave you give stats. if you think that women are just as violent against men as men are to women in DV cases then show me the stats on DV convictions? (not arrests, convictions)
but I'm sure that you know more about the issue than a Professor at the University of Delaware that wrote a book about it? i mean it was written by a WOMAN therefore she can't possibly know more about the subject than YOU, huh?
Just convictions? Why? What do you think the chances are that a woman is going to be convicted of beating her husband? The justice system is not just. As I mentioned before, a friend of mine was attacked by his wife, and even though she admitted to it and took responsibility, my friend was also convicted and he didn't do a damn thing. Why? because of this false belief that people like you keep spouting from your ignorant and ill-informed mouths.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
Jeanie wrote:Except that you place an inordinant amount of faith in incorrect or bogus stats.
Prove they are bogus, all you ever do is talk out of your ass.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
Ahnimus wrote:As I mentioned before, a friend of mine was attacked by his wife, and even though she admitted to it and took responsibility, my friend was also convicted and he didn't do a damn thing.
Anecdotal evidence. Do you think that everyone in the world is ignorant and uninformed except for you, or just people that disagree with you?0 -
fragileblake wrote:I'm sorry, I can tell that people who have a different opinion than you hold threaten your fragile little ego. I'll stop immediately.
Good. Give up the pointless rhetoric. I'm not interested in your false arguments and narrow minded view of reality.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
Ahnimus wrote:narrow minded view of reality.
Most ironic thing I've read all week.0 -
fragileblake wrote:Anecdotal evidence. Do you think that everyone in the world is ignorant and uninformed except for you, or just people that disagree with you?
It's good enough evidence to cast some doubt on the statistics of convictions and not reports. Men aren't likely to even report their wives beating them. Our society laughs at it. StatsCan estimates that only 15% of men report DV against them.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
Oh and Ryan? If you want to be taken seriously. If you legitimately wanted us to see your point of view regarding violence about men, then how about approaching it in a positive and informative and NON AGRESSIVE way?
Perhaps if you stopped NEGATING, didn't make inflammatory statements and did just stick with facts and used a different style to communicate on this issue you might get a lot further. I mean isn't that what you want? To bring attention to the issue of violence against men? Or is it just another opportunity for you to attack or hone your debate skills?
Either way, I'd be much more receptive to your thoughts and ideas if I didn't constantly feel like my own were being ridiculed and negated.
Participating in a petition to help bring awareness and stop violence against women is not a bad thing. If you feel that men should also be afforded this kind of awareness then perhaps try to be more inclusive and positive? Because the way you usually come at this just leaves me cold and I don't think I'm alone there.NOPE!!!
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Ahnimus wrote:Statistics Canada
Total reported cases of DV by gender.
Women - 690
Men - 549
Total reported to police by gender
Women - 256 (37%)
Men - 82 (15%)
Reported to police by someone else
Women - 57 (22%)
Men - 41 (50%)
Yea, so, bottom line. Men and women are equally as aggressive. Women are more covertly aggressive and are more violent in 11 catagories, including knives and other weapons. Women are more likely to stab you in your sleep, whereas men are more likely to use fists in the heat of anger. Women are more likely to plan their attack with a deadly weapon.
Btw, the US doj statistics blow ass, since they seem to only track violence against women. I'm having a hard time finding neutral stats in the US.
http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/85-224-XIE/0000085-224-XIE.pdf
dude, i happen to know that in B.C. (and probably the rest of Canada) if there's evidence that the victim fought back she also gets arrested for DV, just as in the links I previously posted. and if she's arrested depite her being the victim and not the aggressor that would show up as a DV case.
the stats you posted above DO NOT show who was the intial aggressor in those cases and they DO NOT show conviction rates for DV*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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fragileblake wrote:Most ironic thing I've read all week.
Drop it dude. Enough of the personal attacks. Provide some evidence or logic or something.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
Ahnimus wrote:Prove they are bogus, all you ever do is talk out of your ass.
Listen, I'm not putting up with a whole lot of abuse from you today.
So I suggest you start speaking to me a bit more pleasantly.NOPE!!!
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prism wrote:dude, i happen to know that in B.C. (and probably the rest of Canada) if there's evidence that the victim fought back she also gets arrested for DV, just as in the links I previously posted. and if she's arrested depite her being the victim and not the aggressor that would show up as a DV case.
the stats you posted above DO NOT show who was the intial aggressor in those cases and they DO NOT show conviction rates for DV
Right. They don't. It involves reports, and the fact that a small portion of abused men ever report it. If they don't report it, it won't lead to a conviction. But the fact of the matter is, when you take a jury of average people with average beliefs, which includes this nonsense about DV. You are invariably going to see more convictions against men than women.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
Ahnimus wrote:Statistics Canada
Total reported cases of DV by gender.
Women - 690
Men - 549
Total reported to police by gender
Women - 256 (37%)
Men - 82 (15%)
Reported to police by someone else
Women - 57 (22%)
Men - 41 (50%)
Yea, so, bottom line. Men and women are equally as aggressive. Women are more covertly aggressive and are more violent in 11 catagories, including knives and other weapons. Women are more likely to stab you in your sleep, whereas men are more likely to use fists in the heat of anger. Women are more likely to plan their attack with a deadly weapon.
Btw, the US doj statistics blow ass, since they seem to only track violence against women. I'm having a hard time finding neutral stats in the US.
http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/85-224-XIE/0000085-224-XIE.pdf
I think you're just being argumentative for the sake of it. When did you find these statistics and are they out of date now? Statistics change all the time! You don't want to take them as gospel.
With you're high opinion and knowledge, I'm guessing you've travelled, so you should know that women are not treated equally, therefore have to suffer abuse without much legal help to back them up.0 -
Jeanie wrote:Listen, I'm not putting up with a whole lot of abuse from you today.
So I suggest you start speaking to me a bit more pleasantly.
Then cut out the rhetoric and actually debate like a mature adult. Or I mean, like someone who is capable of a debate. You know, with logical arguments and physical evidence. The statscan link I posted has all the details right down to the correlation coefficient, which is a hugely important value of any statistical study. All I saw from you was opinionated statements from bias individuals.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
NO, you kick the living shit out of him.Jeanie wrote:Man that's fucked.
So when he comes after me with the hammer it's not okay to push him away from me? I'm supposed to lie down in the foetal position and cover my head and hope for the best????????
Call your biggest friends and have THEM kick the shit out of him.
I have been in a couple of situations (as I am sure many women have) where I have feared Greatly for my safety. I have kicked and scratched my way out of a situation, I have screamed my way out of one and I have had my friends beat the shit out of another.
Ahnimus, do you seriously think women only care about violence against women???? Children maybe, too? Compassion for all human beings maybe???
Just maybe???
I know you feel you have been dealt a shit hand but do NOT lump all women into your little pile.Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
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You're the one that called me an asshole. Do as you say and not as you do?Ahnimus wrote:Drop it dude. Enough of the personal attacks. Provide some evidence or logic or something.0
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Ahnimus wrote:Just convictions? Why? What do you think the chances are that a woman is going to be convicted of beating her husband? The justice system is not just. As I mentioned before, a friend of mine was attacked by his wife, and even though she admitted to it and took responsibility, my friend was also convicted and he didn't do a damn thing. Why? because of this false belief that people like you keep spouting from your ignorant and ill-informed mouths.
if there was evidence and she pleads guilty than that's a conviction. if there's evidence that she was the aggressor the proscuters will go after a DV conviction on her
I'm ignorant and ill-informed huh? how much time have YOU spent volunteering at a DV shelter?
you just can't stand to be proven wrong, so you resort to calling us liars and hurling insults....*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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Ahnimus wrote:Then cut out the rhetoric and actually debate like a mature adult. Or I mean, like someone who is capable of a debate. You know, with logical arguments and physical evidence. The statscan link I posted has all the details right down to the correlation coefficient, which is a hugely important value of any statistical study. All I saw from you was opinionated statements from bias individuals.Ahnimus wrote:Drop it dude. Enough of the personal attacks.
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MattCameronKicksButt wrote:I think you're just being argumentative for the sake of it. When did you find these statistics and are they out of date now? Statistics change all the time! You don't want to take them as gospel.
With you're high opinion and knowledge, I'm guessing you've travelled, so you should know that women are not treated equally, therefore have to suffer abuse without much legal help to back them up.
These statistics are from 2000, which is fairly recent considering stats like these only come out once or twice a decade.
I'm not taking them as gospel, but I'm also not taking received wisdom as anymore valuable to this issue of domestic violence. Instead I'm basing it on my experience researching it, every flippin' time it comes up on this board.
My primary areas of interest include human behavior, gender differences, psychology, criminology, morality and all that sort of thing. So when it comes to this topic I just happen to know something that isn't derived from received wisdom or my own personal bias. I'm not denying that men are violently aggressive, rather I'm pointing out that men and women are both violently aggressive and this whole issue of "violence against women" is deceiving with some potentially harmful side-effects.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0
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