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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    unifiedscene wrote:
    I won't deny that can be good. I had such a connection with the last girl I dated and there were many nights of very passionate, emotional sex. But it all started because I noticed her at work and thought she was smoking hot and I wanted to screw her brains out. So I approached her and started chatting and found other connections. Even so, there were times where I fantasized about nothing more than raw, physical sex without emotion. And there were times I simply threw her on the bed and had my way. She enjoyed that as well. Variety is the spice of life and sometimes throwing feelings out the window and just allowing ourselves to be the hedonistic animals we are can be every bit as fulfilling as any deep, spiritual experience. And the fact that I sometimes thought about nothing more than how physically attractive she was did not in any way inhibit my ability to love her and treat her as a human being that I cared about. The two are not mutually exclusive.

    desire is an emotion ... i think you are confusing "love" as the emotion that is necessary for a connection ... passionate sex by definition is sex with emotion ...
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    unifiedscene wrote:
    I won't deny that can be good. I had such a connection with the last girl I dated and there were many nights of very passionate, emotional sex. But it all started because I noticed her at work and thought she was smoking hot and I wanted to screw her brains out. So I approached her and started chatting and found other connections. Even so, there were times where I fantasized about nothing more than raw, physical sex without emotion. And there were times I simply threw her on the bed and had my way. She enjoyed that as well. Variety is the spice of life and sometimes throwing feelings out the window and just allowing ourselves to be the hedonistic animals we are can be every bit as fulfilling as any deep, spiritual experience. And the fact that I sometimes thought about nothing more than how physically attractive she was did not in any way inhibit my ability to love her and treat her as a human being that I cared about. The two are not mutually exclusive.
    I'm wondering why you keep reading things in........

    why does holistic mind/body/spirit sex have to be devoid of fantasy? Or devoid of amazing varity, or of an over-riding animal component?

    No one said any of these things, to my knowledge, or even implied them!

    as Saturnal alluded to...one needn't have objectification to have any of these things!
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    decides2dream wrote:
    so 'that kinda sex' can absolutely be totally fulfilling if you want it to be...and if you don't, it won't be.
    exactly

    I would now like to induct this thread into the hall of fame..
  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    polaris wrote:
    desire is an emotion ... i think you are confusing "love" as the emotion that is necessary for a connection ... passionate sex by definition is sex with emotion ...



    so if one desires a prostitute, pays for the sex, it can still be considered emotional? can one have passionate sex with a prostitute?


    just linking it back to the actual topic somewhat. ;) and also, that just made me view it all a bit differently, and something to think about.



    it kinda fits how many will say you cannot have fulfilling sex without love. sure, one can SAY it, can believe it...and it may be true for them, but it doesn't make it tue, period. or that one cannot love one person, have a loving/sexual relationship with them...and then engage in sex for sex's sake elsewhere....that it somehow is 'less' of a loving relationship....etc.

    obviously different scenarios, but just the ideas your post conjured up in my head.


    interesting........:)
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  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    polaris wrote:
    desire is an emotion ... i think you are confusing "love" as the emotion that is necessary for a connection ... passionate sex by definition is sex with emotion ...

    I thought the whole argument thus far has been that desire is base and objectifying and unfulfilling without adding an emotional component.
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    angelica wrote:
    I'm wondering why you keep reading things in........

    why does holistic mind/body/spirit sex have to be devoid of fantasy? Or devoid of amazing varity, or of an over-riding animal component?

    No one said any of these things, to my knowledge, or even implied them!

    as Saturnal alluded to...one needn't have objectification to have any of these things!

    I didn't say it couldn't have those things. I said why is it automatic that sex for the sake of physical, animal, simple pleasure is less fulfilling than sex with some emotional bond. Sometimes I want steak, sometimes I want salmon. One is not better or more fulfilling than another. It just depends on what I'm in the mood for. The same goes for sex... sometimes I want something meaningful, and sometimes i just want to feel good, like getting a massage.
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    unifiedscene wrote:
    I thought the whole argument thus far has been that desire is base and objectifying and unfulfilling without adding an emotional component.


    i don't think anyone even knows what this whole thread is about anymore....:p



    does the idea of knowing and experiencing that amazing/spiritual connection with someone in any way 'lessen' the passionate connection two people may share without that amazing/spiritual connection? i think it's all just .........different.
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    decides2dream wrote:
    so if one desires a prostitute, pays for the sex, it can still be considered emotional? can one have passionate sex with a prostitute?


    just linking it back to the actual topic somewhat. ;) and also, that just made me view it all a bit differently, and something to think about.



    it kinda fits how many will say you cannot have fulfilling sex without love. sure, one can SAY it, can believe it...and it may be true for them, but it doesn't make it tue, period. or that one cannot love one person, have a loving/sexual relationship with them...and then engage in sex for sex's sake elsewhere....that it somehow is 'less' of a loving relationship....etc.

    obviously different scenarios, but just the ideas your post conjured up in my head.


    interesting........:)

    well ... whether it's passionate for both parties is subjective ... i think great sex can be born from various emotions ...
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    unifiedscene wrote:
    I thought the whole argument thus far has been that desire is base and objectifying and unfulfilling without adding an emotional component.

    yeah ... i have no clue what's going on in this thread anymore ... :p
  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    decides2dream wrote:
    i don't think anyone even knows what this whole thread is about anymore....:p

    does the idea of knowing and experiencing that amazing/spiritual connection with someone in any way 'lessen' the passionate connection two people may share without that amazing/spiritual connection? i think it's all just .........different.

    I've had good one night stands that were as fulfilling as the best love-making sessions with women I cared deeply about. It all depends on my mood.

    Now when you get both in the same person... that's when you get married :)
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    polaris wrote:
    feel free to enlighten me ... i'm all ears ... :)

    I'm not sure I can do this justice because any words I put to this will pale in comparison to the reality, but truthfully, though, people identify themselves in many ways, as I referred to...in vibes....or in their ability to empathize....to get into another's skin so to speak...which is a key issue of the heighened sexual states I am aware of.... Sacred Sexuality practises have a component whereupon one has orgasm upon orgasm beyond a physical level....which for men is a definite bonus, not being limited by physical limitation. The key to these practices is having a shared unification on deeper levels. So if you are able to automatically see the bigger picture--male/female needs, and to generally come from that shared Spiritual place, rather than individual wants and separation/limit, and if you tend to be oriented towards that type of sensitivity, it can be a bonus!!..........a HUGE bonus!! Again, what I've said about vibes shows on many levels. I know you are a person who walks the the walk in terms of your identification with the big picture in general, and empathy. :)
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    polaris wrote:
    well ... whether it's passionate for both parties is subjective ... i think great sex can be born from various emotions ...


    well that wasn't actually my question. just that could it even exist, even for one party...if it is based within a cash transaction.


    it's kinda like unrequited love. is it truly possible to love someone whith no love given in return? and if so, why not passion, desire, etc.....?





    and yes, i agree. i also think 'great sex' can mean a great many different things to a great many different people. does not diminish one's own feelings of how 'great' it may be though. :)
    Stay with me...
    Let's just breathe...


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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    decides2dream wrote:
    well that wasn't actually my question. just that could it even exist, even for one party...if it is based within a cash transaction.


    it's kinda like unrequited love. is it truly possible to love someone whith no love given in return? and if so, why not passion, desire, etc.....?





    and yes, i agree. i also think 'great sex' can mean a great many different things to a great many different people. does not diminish one's own feelings of how 'great' it may be though. :)

    sure ... i don't think a financial transaction can take away the desire one may feel ... if the john thinks the service provider is super hot ... he's going to probably enjoy himself greatly ...
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    unifiedscene wrote:
    I thought the whole argument thus far has been that desire is base and objectifying and unfulfilling without adding an emotional component.
    no.

    desire is "okay" and not inherently "wrong". objectifying is objectifying. desire with objectifying is "not okay" (for simplification purposes). desire void of objectifying -- or with real depth can be amazing!


    edit: again...base attraction is what it is. Then we choose what we do with that attraction....our intentions of that choice determines the outcome.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    No one can really say what great sex is because it varies from person to person. Someone may not be able to experience great sex unless they are with someone that they have a deep emotional connection to and other can, so who is to say which one is better.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    angelica wrote:
    I'm not sure I can do this justice because any words I put to this will pale in comparison to the reality, but truthfully, though, people identify themselves in many ways, as I referred to...in vibes....or in their ability to empathize....to get into another's skin so to speak...which is a key issue of the heighened sexual states I am aware of.... Sacred Sexuality practises have a component whereupon one has orgasm upon orgasm beyond a physical level....which for men is a definite bonus, not being limited by physical limitation. The key to these practices is having a shared unification on deeper levels. So if you are able to automatically see the bigger picture--male/female needs, and to generally come from that shared Spiritual place, rather than individual wants and separation/limit, and if you tend to be oriented towards that type of sensitivity, it can be a bonus!!..........a HUGE bonus!! Again, what I've said about vibes shows on many levels. I know you are a person who walks the the walk in terms of your identification with the big picture in general, and empathy. :)

    well ... i'm all for it ...


    if you can find it ... :)
  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    polaris wrote:
    sure ... i don't think a financial transaction can take away the desire one may feel ... if the john thinks the service provider is super hot ... he's going to probably enjoy himself greatly ...

    Is that bad or wrong? Some seem to think so... that it is wrong for a man to objectify a woman and use her for sex based solely on looks. I see no problem with it as long as she's a willing participant. Granted, the guy might be missing out if that's the ONLY kind of sex he goes for, but I still fail to see what's so wrong about someone doing that once in a while.
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    angelica wrote:
    no.

    desire is "okay" and not inherently "wrong". objectifying is objectifying. desire with objectifying is "not okay" (for simplification purposes). desire void of objectifying -- or with real depth can be amazing!


    edit: again...base attraction is what it is. Then we choose what we do with that attraction....our intentions of that choice determines the outcome.

    What if I and my partner choose to have nothing more than a purely physical relationship based on sex. I can still respect her as a person but there is no emotional attachment there. We are basically using each other for purely physical and sexual purposes so how is this not OK.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    angelica wrote:
    desire is "okay" and not inherently "wrong". objectifying is objectifying. desire with objectifying is "not okay" (for simplification purposes). desire void of objectifying -- or with real depth can be amazing!

    If desire is okay, and objectifying is okay, how are the two of them together not okay?
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    polaris wrote:
    well ... i'm all for it ...


    if you can find it ... :)
    that's the catch for sure. Part of it is knowing it's out there, so we can do things to increase that awareness, and therefore become more "conscious" of how to let go of "what is not this", and heighten our ability to tune into "what is this"....we're not really commonly taught about this stuff.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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