having availed oneself of the services of a sex worker just isnt a deal breaker for me. unless of course the guy is carrying a communicable disease. then... wed have a problem. but then again you can get them from anyone not just sex workers.
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having availed oneself of the services of a sex worker just isnt a deal breaker for me. unless of course the guy is carrying a communicable disease. then... wed have a problem. but then again you can get them from anyone not just sex workers.
there are many things I can forgive a person of... even this! Just don't expect me to look at you the same way again or be your close friend if I know you've done something like this... I'm only human after all!
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there are many things I can forgive a person of... even this! Just don't expect me to look at you the same way again or be your close friend if I know you've done something like this... I'm only human after all!
a guy paid for sex. hmmm... whats to forgive?
anways we just differ on this point. no biggie. i was just surprsied by what you said.
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anways we just differ on this point. no biggie. i was just surprsied by what you said.
fair enough... and I'm sure many people would be... but I honestly just think it's disgusting... and if a male friend told me he'd done this I'd NEVER be able to look at him in the same way ever again. I'd just think pathetic and selfish... I can't help what I think but they're the two words that come into my head when I think of a guy paying for sex am I right or wrong? I certainly don't know... but that's how I feel... and I'm nothing if not honest.
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
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What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
fair enough... and I'm sure many people would be... but I honestly just think it's disgusting... and if a male friend told me he'd done this I'd NEVER be able to look at him in the same way ever again. I'd just think pathetic and selfish... I can't help what I think but they're the two words that come into my head when I think of a guy paying for sex am I right or wrong? I certainly don't know... but that's how I feel... and I'm nothing if not honest.
pathetic and selfish? why selfish? some guys prefer sex with absolutely zero chance of blowback, you know? prostitutes provide that service. one can be treated with respect whilst still being paid for sex.
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pathetic and selfish? why selfish? some guys prefer sex with absolutely zero chance of blowback, you know? prostitutes provide that service. one can be treated with respect whilst still being paid for sex.
see I don't think you can sell sex like you can sell insurance... it's not a product... it's part of YOU! That's why I don't think it's conscience free... and I think a guy who could look at it that way certainly is not worthy of my friendship. He's only looking at it as fulfilling his own needs... and not the bigger picture... and THAT'S where I think selfish comes into it again I could be wrong.. but this is how I feel.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
see I don't think you can sell sex like you can sell insurance... it's not a product... it's part of YOU! That's why I don't think it's conscience free... and I think a guy who could look at it that way certainly is not worthy of my friendship. He's only looking at it as fulfilling his own needs... and not the bigger picture... and THAT'S where I think selfish comes into it again I could be wrong.. but this is how I feel.
what bigger picture? you know helen sometimes you just want to fuck. its a primal urge and it needs fulfilling cause masturbating just doesnt cut it sometimes. making love to someone is something entirely different.
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see I don't think you can sell sex like you can sell insurance... it's not a product... it's part of YOU! That's why I don't think it's conscience free... and I think a guy who could look at it that way certainly is not worthy of my friendship. He's only looking at it as fulfilling his own needs... and not the bigger picture... and THAT'S where I think selfish comes into it again I could be wrong.. but this is how I feel.
What about a massage? It's not a product, it's paying someone to do physical acts upon your body that are only for your own personal pleasure and benefit. The person getting a massage is only looking at it as fulfilling his or her own needs.
... you know helen sometimes you just want to fuck. its a primal urge and it needs fulfilling ...
People can "make me wrong" on this, and still...I've been celibate for 10 years. Although half the guys on this board have at one time or another had to put up with my urges spilling all over them.............the truth is, no amount of animal desire could cause me to give in in any way that would diminish my values. So sometimes there is more than the 'animal' urges to sex. edit: and they don't always need to be fulfilled. (which is also not to judge those who feel otherwise) There are options, and all kinds of diversity on this.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
People can "make me wrong" on this, and still...I've been celibate for 10 years. Although half the guys on this board have at one time or another had to put up with my urges spilling all over them.............the truth is, no amount of animal desire could cause me to give in in any way that would diminish my values. So sometimes there is more than the 'animal' urges to sex. edit: and they don't always need to be fulfilled. (which is also not to judge those who feel otherwise) There are options, and all kinds of diversity on this.
Half the guys on this board? That would be thousands :eek:
People can "make me wrong" on this, and still...I've been celibate for 10 years. Although half the guys on this board have at one time or another had to put up with my urges spilling all over them.............the truth is, no amount of animal desire could cause me to give in in any way that would diminish my values. So sometimes there is more than the 'animal' urges to sex. edit: and they don't always need to be fulfilled. (which is also not to judge those who feel otherwise) There are options, and all kinds of diversity on this.
"make me wrong" what does this mean?
and who says giving in to 'animal desires' and seeking the services of a sex worker diminishes ones values?
of course urges need to be fulfilled one way or another. you can fool yourself all you like angleica but the fact is one way or another those urges are getting fulfilled either by direct means or by detour. and im not just talking about sex here either.
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"make me wrong" what does this mean?
and who says giving in to 'animal desires' and seeking the services of a sex worker diminishes ones values?
of course urges need to be fulfilled one way or another. you can fool yourself all you like angleica but the fact is one way or another those urges are getting fulfilled either by direct means or by detour. and im not just talking about sex here either.
I think she's a drummer. You know what they say about celibate drummers...
"make me wrong" what does this mean?
and who says giving in to 'animal desires' and seeking the services of a sex worker diminishes ones values?
of course urges need to be fulfilled one way or another. you can fool yourself all you like angleica but the fact is one way or another those urges are getting fulfilled either by direct means or by detour. and im not just talking about sex here either.
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"make me wrong" refers to that sometimes people don't understand my decision and have downgraded it from what it is.
What I say is that at this time, in my value system, having sex is not a necessity, if it would be outside my values.
you say: "who says giving in to "animal desires' and seeking the services of a sex worker diminishes one's values"
I don't know who says this. I know I didn't.
Oh, I fulfill my urges and desires all the time. And love doing so. I don't just sometimes 'need to f*$k ... cause masturbation just doesn't cut it...". I literally don't do it.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"make me wrong" refers to that sometimes people don't understand my decision and have downgraded it from what it is.
What I say is that at this time, in my value system, having sex is not a necessity, if it would be outside my values.
you say: "who says giving in to "animal desires' and seeking the services of a sex worker diminishes one's values"
I don't know who says this. I know I didn't.
Oh, I fulfill my urges and desires all the time. And love doing so. I don't just sometimes 'need to f*$k ... cause masturbation just doesn't cut it...". I literally don't do it.
you said it.
the truth is, no amount of animal desire could cause me to give in in any way that would diminish my values.
or are you saying seeking the services of a sex worker wouldnt diminish your values?
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the truth is, no amount of animal desire could cause me to give in in any way that would diminish my values.
or are you saying seeking the services of a sex worker wouldnt diminish your values?
"who says giving in to "animal desires' and seeking the services of a sex worker diminishes one's values"
I didn't say this. And I didn't imply it. I was talking as a celibate person, saying that no amount of the wild, overwhelming animal desire I experience pertaining to intelligent, intuitive men ( ) does or will cause me to give in and have sex with anyone, outside of my values (and temporarily current vows of celibacy). And I said/meant this in context with your words to Helen, that I quoted, about how sometimes we need the sex beyond masturbation.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"who says giving in to "animal desires' and seeking the services of a sex worker diminishes one's values"
I didn't say this. And I didn't imply it. I was talking as a celibate person, saying that no amount of the wild, overwhelming animal desire I experience pertaining to intelligent, intuitive men ( ) does or will cause me to give in and have sex with anyone, outside of my values. And I said/meant this in context with your words to Helen, that I quoted, about how sometimes we need the sex beyond masturbation.
i didnt say you did angelica. that was my question to you. im trying to seek some clarity on your posts. to understand where youre coming from. thats all.
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i didnt say you did angelica. that was my question to you. im trying to seek some clarity on your posts. to understand where youre coming from. thats all.
I understand. I can see that my post could have been understood that way (as pertaining to sex workers).
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I like to think I'm a drummer...which, in my case, is very different than actually being one...
Our current drummer gets teased all the time. Pretty much every drummer i've ever played with does. It goes with the territory. It's all in good fun of course and this one gives back as good as what he gets!
Like..
What does a drummer use for contraception?
His personality!
What do you call someone who hangs around with musicians?
A drummer!
I hope your answer will be a no because I would hate to think that the message board for my favorite band is being used for dirty-ass cyber sex.
:eek:!! cybersex is totally not my thing! I actually think I'm incapable of it!
cyber-erotica, maybe!...although it's not an avenue I've really been down, yet, and definitely not on this board!.......it takes some very cool and unique dynamics.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Our current drummer gets teased all the time. Pretty much every drummer i've ever played with does. It goes with the territory. It's all in good fun of course and this one gives back as good as what he gets!
Like..
What does a drummer use for contraception?
His personality!
What do you call someone who hangs around with musicians?
A drummer!
I'm a horoscope earth sign and I love all things primal... and rhythmic....and sensual.....I tend to love drums and bass because of that.
What do you play?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
:eek:!! cybersex is totally not my thing! I actually think I'm incapable of it!
cyber-erotica, maybe!...although it's not an avenue I've really been down, yet, and definitely not on this board!.......it takes some very cool and unique dynamics.
The example you gave doesn't count as satisfying urges... this board is full of desperately horny and sexually repressed people making bad puns and lame come-ons and double entendres. I think it's more a symptom of unsatisfied urges than people getting an outlet for those urges.
The example you gave doesn't count as satisfying urges... this board is full of desperately horny and sexually repressed people making bad puns and lame come-ons and double entendres. I think it's more a symptom of unsatisfied urges than people getting an outlet for those urges.
....nice view of the people on this board...not that I disagree......:D
actually, though, I wasn't giving that example as one of satisfying urges....at all......it actually incites urges for me, more than anything....desperately horny, and sexually repressed people...:D the thing about the people on this board, for me, is the intellectualism and intuition and idealism that is very much beyond what I find in "real" life.. it's somewhat naturally selective... edit: and for me, primal....
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What do you call a drummer that can play more than one instrument?
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apparently not.
having availed oneself of the services of a sex worker just isnt a deal breaker for me. unless of course the guy is carrying a communicable disease. then... wed have a problem. but then again you can get them from anyone not just sex workers.
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
a guy paid for sex. hmmm... whats to forgive?
anways we just differ on this point. no biggie. i was just surprsied by what you said.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
pathetic and selfish? why selfish? some guys prefer sex with absolutely zero chance of blowback, you know? prostitutes provide that service. one can be treated with respect whilst still being paid for sex.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
what bigger picture? you know helen sometimes you just want to fuck. its a primal urge and it needs fulfilling cause masturbating just doesnt cut it sometimes. making love to someone is something entirely different.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
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What about a massage? It's not a product, it's paying someone to do physical acts upon your body that are only for your own personal pleasure and benefit. The person getting a massage is only looking at it as fulfilling his or her own needs.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
you know....like .... "hey, Roland....I hear you're a drummer....you know what they say about drummers and rhythm........"
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
"make me wrong" what does this mean?
and who says giving in to 'animal desires' and seeking the services of a sex worker diminishes ones values?
of course urges need to be fulfilled one way or another. you can fool yourself all you like angleica but the fact is one way or another those urges are getting fulfilled either by direct means or by detour. and im not just talking about sex here either.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I think she's a drummer. You know what they say about celibate drummers...
i like drummers.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
"make me wrong" refers to that sometimes people don't understand my decision and have downgraded it from what it is.
What I say is that at this time, in my value system, having sex is not a necessity, if it would be outside my values.
you say: "who says giving in to "animal desires' and seeking the services of a sex worker diminishes one's values"
I don't know who says this. I know I didn't.
Oh, I fulfill my urges and desires all the time. And love doing so. I don't just sometimes 'need to f*$k ... cause masturbation just doesn't cut it...". I literally don't do it.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
you said it.
the truth is, no amount of animal desire could cause me to give in in any way that would diminish my values.
or are you saying seeking the services of a sex worker wouldnt diminish your values?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
"who says giving in to "animal desires' and seeking the services of a sex worker diminishes one's values"
I didn't say this. And I didn't imply it. I was talking as a celibate person, saying that no amount of the wild, overwhelming animal desire I experience pertaining to intelligent, intuitive men (
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
i didnt say you did angelica. that was my question to you. im trying to seek some clarity on your posts. to understand where youre coming from. thats all.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Like..
What does a drummer use for contraception?
His personality!
What do you call someone who hangs around with musicians?
A drummer!
cyber-erotica, maybe!...although it's not an avenue I've really been down, yet, and definitely not on this board!.......it takes some very cool and unique dynamics.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I'm a horoscope earth sign and I love all things primal... and rhythmic....and sensual.....I tend to love drums and bass because of that.
What do you play?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
The example you gave doesn't count as satisfying urges... this board is full of desperately horny and sexually repressed people making bad puns and lame come-ons and double entendres. I think it's more a symptom of unsatisfied urges than people getting an outlet for those urges.
actually, though, I wasn't giving that example as one of satisfying urges....at all......it actually incites urges for me, more than anything....desperately horny, and sexually repressed people...:D the thing about the people on this board, for me, is the intellectualism and intuition and idealism that is very much beyond what I find in "real" life.. it's somewhat naturally selective... edit: and for me, primal....
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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