Sarah Palin question

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  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Solat13 wrote:
    It goes both ways though.

    Would Obama be sending Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano and Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius to speak on his behalf if the GOP had a picked a Charlie Crist, Mitt Romney or someone similar as the VP?

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    I think the last think Obama ever thought he'd need was Hillary's help in this campaign


    Hillary yes .... they always needed her .... probably not to the degree they'll need her now.

    The others, no ... that's scrambling.

    we have 2 months of this .... we'll see how it plays a week or two from now ..... if she is just saying the same things over and over, the initial shock of it all will be over and the public will grow tired of the story all together.

    I'm sure her joke writers are coming up with a new routine for the debate.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    PEPPER wrote:
    I would have asked your friend then if Hillary was younger and somewhat attractive would Obama have picked her instead of Biden? Probably not, Palins record is the reason he picked her...she fought her own party much like McCain...something Biden OR Obama has never done...no CHange there

    He may have but I believe in that case there was too much damage done in the primaries so probably not.
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  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    mammasan wrote:
    I agree with my gf, but in thinking about it, especially with all the sexist talk going around lately, isn't her selection basically sexist. I mean if she looked like Bea Author, sorry Bea, do you think she would have been picked. Probably not so that would leave me to believe that her looks had more to do with it than her credentials. That is sexism. Now of course this is all speculation since we can't prove it.


    Yea. I think you are dead on. I also think that Obama's rise to power was racist (not in a bad way). When I say racist, I mean positive racism. Giving someone credit for being another color. Not putting them down.

    If all were treated equally, it would probably be completely different race. Honestly, it probably should be.
  • QuestionAuthority
    QuestionAuthority Idaho Posts: 327
    mammasan wrote:
    My girlfriend mentioned something about Palin this morning and it got me thinking. She stated that if Sarah Palin was a man or even an older less attractive woman she would not have been selected as the VP candidate. Now this is not an attack against her and I'm not trying to diminish any of her accomplishments, just merely asking what other thought about the statement.


    I agree with your statement.. she was choosen because she is an attractive conservative woman who have the republican men sparking a woody for her and the republican women who think she is just like them and she is just attractive enough so that she is not intimidating.

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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    jimed14 wrote:
    I'm sure her joke writers are coming up with a new routine for the debate.

    I honestly think she'll be able to handle herself in the debate. I mean she beat a sitting Senator of 22 years in debates to get the nomination for gov in Alaska and he had the full support of the GOP at the time while she was the no-name upstart mayor from a small town.

    I guess we'll find out in a few weeks.
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  • mammasan
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    saveuplife wrote:
    Yea. I think you are dead on. I also think that Obama's rise to power was racist (not in a bad way). When I say racist, I mean positive racism. Giving someone credit for being another color. Not putting them down.

    If all were treated equally, it would probably be completely different race. Honestly, it probably should be.

    Completely agree with. Had Obama been a white male he probably would not have even been a contender. It would have been Hilary right now as the Democratic nominee.
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  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    saveuplife wrote:
    Yea. I think you are dead on. I also think that Obama's rise to power was racist (not in a bad way). When I say racist, I mean positive racism. Giving someone credit for being another color. Not putting them down.

    If all were treated equally, it would probably be completely different race. Honestly, it probably should be.

    The thing about Obama ... I feel his ability to motivate and captivate an audience has as much, if not more to do with his success than race.

    Does race play a part ... yes ... sadly, it's undeniable. But, there's more to it than race. You can't be in this thing for 20+ months just because you're black. Ask Alan Keyes or Jesse Jackson.
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  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    Solat13 wrote:
    I honestly think she'll be able to handle herself in the debate. I mean she beat a sitting Senator of 22 years in debates to get the nomination for gov in Alaska and he had the full support of the GOP at the time while she was the no-name upstart mayor from a small town.

    I guess we'll find out in a few weeks.


    I totally agree. The irony here is that those who don't want her to win, keep underestimating her. This will come back to bite them.

    When you are underestimated it doesn't take as much to beat expectations.

    My opinion: She'll soar past expectations again and provide more buzz going into the election. I can't believe this is actually a real race now.
  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    saveuplife wrote:
    I totally agree. The irony here is that those who don't want her to win, keep underestimating her. This will come back to bite them.

    When you are underestimated it doesn't take as much to beat expectations.

    My opinion: She'll soar past expectations again and provide more buzz going into the election. I can't believe this is actually a real race now.


    The stakes are far too high, no one is going to underestimate her ... at least not on the opposition's side. they cannot afford to underestimate her.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    I think she will definitely do well in the debates.
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  • Pacomc79
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    mammasan wrote:
    I agree with my gf, but in thinking about it, especially with all the sexist talk going around lately, isn't her selection basically sexist. I mean if she looked like Bea Author, sorry Bea, do you think she would have been picked. Probably not so that would leave me to believe that her looks had more to do with it than her credentials. That is sexism. Now of course this is all speculation since we can't prove it.


    True, but image is more important than record or accomplishments no matter the sex.

    Remember this is as much marketing as anything else. Obama picked the older more experienced Biden to lend credibility and experience to his good looks ideas and gravitating public speaking.

    McCain has credibility and experience, he needed someone young, attractive, with similar view points who could relate to voters better than him. She provides that much better than most other canidates he could have chosen from in regards to image. That's why I feel she was the choice over the others.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    mammasan wrote:
    I think she will definitely do well in the debates.

    it depends...she has nothing to lose....

    if Biden loses his cool during the debate, it's going to look like he was picking on a women....
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    if you close your eyes when she is speaking, she sounds just like karen from will and grace.....
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,959
    mammasan wrote:
    My girlfriend mentioned something about Palin this morning and it got me thinking. She stated that if Sarah Palin was a man or even an older less attractive woman she would not have been selected as the VP candidate. Now this is not an attack against her and I'm not trying to diminish any of her accomplishments, just merely asking what other thought about the statement.


    Have you ever doubted a MALE VP choice because of his looks? Did you wonder the same thing aboutJohn edwards for example? Just wondering.

    On what I consider the only valid portion of your comment/question, certainly I believe Palin was chosen partially because she is a woman. Is that right? Not really...but at least she has the characteristics that McCain was looking for...so all things being equal, he went for a very visible means to show change.
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  • catch22
    catch22 Posts: 1,081
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Have you ever doubted a MALE VP choice because of his looks? Did you wonder the same thing aboutJohn edwards for example? Just wondering.

    are you kidding? people have been saying this about obama since the primaries.
    and like that... he's gone.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,959
    catch22 wrote:
    are you kidding? people have been saying this about obama since the primaries.


    I asked the OP...not kidding.

    Anyhow, I don't think anyone has said Obama is good looking...look at those ears...he looks like Dennis Kucinich all grown up....and half black. ;) They criticize (unfairly I think) Obama's personna...not his looks.
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  • Brain of J.Lo
    Brain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    When I first heard about Palin, I was mad. I thought, "they're presenting her as a token woman to take the place of Hillary..." The idea you can just trade one vagina for another was totally appalling to me.

    After I heard the speech they gave her to read, I was even angrier. Now, I think "They are presenting her as a token "bitch". That is, they think she can be the quintessential successful powerful female, who, in their minds is also a "bitch". (I really don't like to throw that word around, so I'm trying to make it clear that I'm not calling Sarah Palin a bitch. The tone of the speech, I felt, was snarky and bitchy...perfect for their sassy new VP!) And, BONUS! She's a cute little hockey mom, with a "real" story to which other mommies all around the country can relate!

    So basically....I agree with your girlfriend. It is sexist.

    I don't want to take away from any of her real accomplishments. She is an accomplished woman, even before this nomination. She deserves credit for juggling all that she has as a mom and a career woman, and I hope I can be half as successful when it comes time for me to try my hand at that.

    I do resent the idea that some want to position her as the one to break this "glass ceiling". She is leaping up a ladder built by millions of hardworking, successful women/mothers before her, and gets to skip a few rungs because she was in the right place at the right time.
  • Brain of J.Lo
    Brain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    Dollpartz wrote:
    if you close your eyes when she is speaking, she sounds just like karen from will and grace.....

    Oh yeah! :D Megan Mullaley is probably standing in front of a mirror right now, perfecting her impression and just waiting for the Lifetime Movie Network to call.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Have you ever doubted a MALE VP choice because of his looks? Did you wonder the same thing aboutJohn edwards for example? Just wondering.

    On what I consider the only valid portion of your comment/question, certainly I believe Palin was chosen partially because she is a woman. Is that right? Not really...but at least she has the characteristics that McCain was looking for...so all things being equal, he went for a very visible means to show change.

    Yes I have doubted male VP choices. I believe that John Edwards would not have been selected as Kerry's running mate if he wasn't a younger more attractive man. I also understand that image is extremely important, look no further than the now infamous Nixon/Kennedy debate. Not to sound stand offish but I believe the question I posed has a great deal validity to it. The issue has been brought forward that much of the criticism directed at Palin by the media is sexist in nature. This may be true, but I also feel that if Palin was not an attractive younger woman that she would have not received the VP offer. I'm not saying that McCain is some dirty perverted old man and just wanted a hot piece of ass by his side on the campaign trail or that Palin is just a pretty face with no substance, but had she been male or an older less attractive female I honestly believe she would not be on the ticket. Of course I can't prove that and it's just my assumption, and I know what they say about assumptions, but if this was the case wouldn't her selection be considered sexist.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,959
    mammasan wrote:
    Yes I have doubted male VP choices. I believe that John Edwards would not have been selected as Kerry's running mate if he wasn't a younger more attractive man. I also understand that image is extremely important, look no further than the now infamous Nixon/Kennedy debate. Not to sound stand offish but I believe the question I posed has a great deal validity to it. The issue has been brought forward that much of the criticism directed at Palin by the media is sexist in nature. This may be true, but I also feel that if Palin was not an attractive younger woman that she would have not received the VP offer. I'm not saying that McCain is some dirty perverted old man and just wanted a hot piece of ass by his side on the campaign trail or that Palin is just a pretty face with no substance, but had she been male or an older less attractive female I honestly believe she would not be on the ticket. Of course I can't prove that and it's just my assumption, and I know what they say about assumptions, but if this was the case wouldn't her selection be considered sexist.

    I had to ask.

    Here's the other reasons she had to be young (not necessarily attractive, though image does help):

    1) She needed to be an energetic Washington outsider...find me an ugly old white man that can do that? :)

    So I think, looking for energy and outsider, leads one to looking for a younger individual. Now, you still need some one with some experience (thats' what the campaign was thinking I mean) so, generally since image is important, most of the younger stars are going to be good looking or at least not repulsive. So, in reality, I think the only partially superficial choice is still the sex of the candidate, and McCain went for visible change.
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