This is not about Biden or Obama or McCain this is about the idea that a VP candidate may have been selected because of her appearance and not her credentials.
Well, you opened the door. Barack has no credentials.
When I first heard about Palin, I was mad. I thought, "they're presenting her as a token woman to take the place of Hillary..." The idea you can just trade one vagina for another was totally appalling to me.
After I heard the speech they gave her to read, I was even angrier. Now, I think "They are presenting her as a token "bitch". That is, they think she can be the quintessential successful powerful female, who, in their minds is also a "bitch". (I really don't like to throw that word around, so I'm trying to make it clear that I'm not calling Sarah Palin a bitch. The tone of the speech, I felt, was snarky and bitchy...perfect for their sassy new VP!) And, BONUS! She's a cute little hockey mom, with a "real" story to which other mommies all around the country can relate!
So basically....I agree with your girlfriend. It is sexist.
I don't want to take away from any of her real accomplishments. She is an accomplished woman, even before this nomination. She deserves credit for juggling all that she has as a mom and a career woman, and I hope I can be half as successful when it comes time for me to try my hand at that.
I do resent the idea that some want to position her as the one to break this "glass ceiling". She is leaping up a ladder built by millions of hardworking, successful women/mothers before her, and gets to skip a few rungs because she was in the right place at the right time.
Wow, so Obama is a Senator for one term and gets on the fast track because he is black, and that is okay? This thread would not exist if McCain would have picked the male first term governor/senator on his list. This is sexist.
You are correct. They would not have picked "Mr. Palin". They picked her because:
a) she is a woman- and they wanted to get the Hillary votes away from Obama.
b) she is pretty- get the men who value looks on to the ticket- a distraction technique .
funny you mention choice b. i remember when bill clinton was running, a lot of women had said they were voting for him because he's "so handsome".
Wow, so Obama is a Senator for one term and gets on the fast track because he is black, and that is okay? This thread would not exist if McCain would have picked the male first term governor/senator on his list. This is sexist.
20 months of intense scrutiny and being voted in by 18 million people, and supported by the person who got the other 18 million votes is far less of a "fast track" than being picked 65 days prior to the election ... your comparison is flawwed
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I'm already seeing with the cons on this board and Fox News how just like if you questioned the war you weren't patriotic, if you question the reasoning of selecting Palin you're a sexist. What a big bowl of crap. They absolutely picked her to round out the ticket. McCain - Old moderate non-religious white man. Palin- Young attractive ultra conservative religious woman. Makes perfect sense. Throw in the whole hockey mom, Miss Alaska sidestories and you've got a great combination. Never mind that woman is running for VICE president, not president. Good choice cons. McCain for the win. America loses. Again.
watching her speak right now ... it's a train wreck.
she's worse than a 7th grader reading a book report ....
she's reading word for word of a script in front of her ... spouting how much aof a patriot and a maverick mccain is ... using pretty much every line she used the other night.
nothing new.
nothing about the republicans plan.
yet ........ these people are lapping it up.
If the people can vote Bush in '04 .... they can certainly be tricked into buying this crap. I fear for our future.
totally agree with these above statements the USA is in big time trouble ,it's the same shit from her & him over and over again .....
20 months of intense scrutiny and being voted in by 18 million people, and supported by the person who got the other 18 million votes is far less of a "fast track" than being picked 65 days prior to the election ... your comparison is flawwed
Since when did we start voting for vice presidential nominees? The process is not necessary, and picking a first term Senator or Governor is not a huge deal. If voting is your thing, then NOBODY voted for Biden, but he is a VP? Do you think that is strange that someone NOBODY would vote for president is now a heartbeat away from the presidency? No issue with that? Just an issue with Palin, a woman who is too pretty to be smart? Open minded liberals....luv ya.
I'm already seeing with the cons on this board and Fox News how just like if you questioned the war you weren't patriotic, if you question the reasoning of selecting Palin you're a sexist. What a big bowl of crap. They absolutely picked her to round out the ticket. McCain - Old moderate non-religious white man. Palin- Young attractive ultra conservative religious woman. Makes perfect sense. Throw in the whole hockey mom, Miss Alaska sidestories and you've got a great combination. Never mind that woman is running for VICE president, not president. Good choice cons. McCain for the win. America loses. Again.
Since when was it wrong to pick someone to round out the ticket? Oh yeah, when she was conservative female. Liberals are hypocrites. You ever notice that minorities succeed in conservative administrations, yet are crucified by Democrats? Condaleeza, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas...
I still don't understand why black people vote for Democrats in such high amounts. What have they gotten from Democrats besides making them dependent on government?
the more i find out about palin, the more i dont like her. her social agenda is scary. that said, if she wasn't a woman, theres a good chance she wouldn't have been picked. but to be fair, she was the PERFECT running mate (man or woman) for McCain if he wanted a chance to win.
we all know mccain wanted to choose his butt buddy lieberman. but he never wouldve won with him on the ticket. but think of what this chick brings to the table:
1. shes young, white, and hot. pretty good looking family too. americans eat that up. its sad, but if you're aesthetically pleasing, people like you. can you imagine if obama's daughter was knocked up? the uproar? palin gets a free pass, part of it has to do with being white. her story is a lifetime movie, i mean, come on....down syndrome kid? miss alaska? mom? again, none of this qualifies her for the 2nd highest power in the land, but what the hell, she'll pull in alot of votes.
2. i'm willing to bet shes real good in debates. she will hold her own, and biden is screwed. if she slaps biden around, the press will love her. if biden slaps her around, palin will look like the female vicitm, and come out smelling fresh, and the press will love her. not fair for joey. republicans want their version of obama, someone young and energetic, someone to balance mccain. someone connected to the younger generation, someone to get excited for. and they got her. shes a good orator by their standards, and she'll be around for a long time.
3. red-meat for the base: far-right social views worthy for the jesus-freaks. again, satisfies the base who are unsatisfied with mccain.
4. reformer: this is probably one of the biggest reasons mccain choose her. she's new, considered a "washington outsider". with a short history of being a reformer and "fighting corruption" in her party. mccain gets his maverick label back and able to distance himself from W and the last 8 years. he can also sing the same BS "change" song obama's been singing. mccain at 70+ years old, is the only republican that can work the change angle since he does have a history of reaching across the table. this pick solidifies the perception, even though palin' views are in line with traditional conservative values.
5. the vagina: this is just gravy. if she can sway independents to vote for her because she has one of these, then by golly, its another score. i never saw this is a possiblity with her far right social views, i mean, how could hillary voters vote for palin? but supposedly, its working. still can't figure it out.
so theres more than just her being a woman that locked up the choice. she was the smart, strategic choice. name another candidate that would've brought all this....so if you're a woman "insulted" by this choice. dont be...she may have different views that most of us here, and this is sad but true - she was the best candidate he couldve chosen. someone to nab the spotlight back and energize the base. whether you support her or not, disagree with her views, women should not be insulted by the impact she's making or what she brings.
Since when was it wrong to pick someone to round out the ticket? Oh yeah, when she was conservative female. Liberals are hypocrites. You ever notice that minorities succeed in conservative administrations, yet are crucified by Democrats? Condaleeza, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas...
I still don't understand why black people vote for Democrats in such high amounts. What have they gotten from Democrats besides making them dependent on government?
The minorities in question were "crucified" because of their viewpoints, not their race. Also, Clarence Thomas isn't in the executive branch and Powell only succeeded in misleading the U.N. and being a mouthpiece for the White House's flawed Mideast policy.
Check out some recent videos from the Daily Show to see your beloved cons in all of their hypocritical glory. Give us a fucking break, guy.
The minorities in question were "crucified" because of their viewpoints, not their race. Also, Clarence Thomas isn't in the executive branch and Powell only succeeded in misleading the U.N. and being a mouthpiece for the White House's flawed Mideast policy.
Check out some recent videos from the Daily Show to see your beloved cons in all of their hypocritical glory. Give us a fucking break, guy.
They get crucified first for being Republicans and uncle tom's, guy. If the Daily Show wasn't so liberal, maybe they would show the Dems in their hypocritical glory. That said, I love the Daily Show, and in the last year or so it has gotten a lot funnier.
I still don't understand why black people vote for Democrats in such high amounts. What have they gotten from Democrats besides making them dependent on government?
I think it's because any black person, like most people in this country, are smart enough to make an informed choice about the party that will fight hardest for them. And it seems, according to percentages, that they don't find much to like in the Republican Party lately.
Since when was it wrong to pick someone to round out the ticket? Oh yeah, when she was conservative female. Liberals are hypocrites. You ever notice that minorities succeed in conservative administrations, yet are crucified by Democrats? Condaleeza, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas...
I still don't understand why black people vote for Democrats in such high amounts. What have they gotten from Democrats besides making them dependent on government?
I think she was a brilliant choice for McCain. Smart pres candidates pick VP candidates to round out the ticket. My point is how pathetic it is to feign being offended because God forbid people question the choice.
Well, you opened the door. Barack has no credentials.
And you have no ability to participate is a discussion without posting some ridiculous smear against your parties opposition. Instead of sticking to the topic you decide to act like a typical partisan hack.
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It's a lame choice...McCain scrambling to sway the heartbroken Hilary fans, how can so many American voters be so naive and stupid?? Find a woman which nobody knows anything about so that she seems to be a fresh face so that you come closer to matching Obamas most attractive asset, his so called "fresh face" image, and you also snag the bitter Hilary fans. And somehow everybody forgets that a completely inexperienced person from nowhere can potentially be the president that is supposed to turn this nation around in every sense....god this pisses me off, a horrible joke!
The minorities in question were "crucified" because of their viewpoints, not their race. Also, Clarence Thomas isn't in the executive branch and Powell only succeeded in misleading the U.N. and being a mouthpiece for the White House's flawed Mideast policy.
Check out some recent videos from the Daily Show to see your beloved cons in all of their hypocritical glory. Give us a fucking break, guy.
last time i checked, judicial branch = executive branch
the more i find out about palin, the more i dont like her. her social agenda is scary. that said, if she wasn't a woman, theres a good chance she wouldn't have been picked. but to be fair, she was the PERFECT running mate (man or woman) for McCain if he wanted a chance to win.
we all know mccain wanted to choose his butt buddy lieberman. but he never wouldve won with him on the ticket. but think of what this chick brings to the table:
1. shes young, white, and hot. pretty good looking family too. americans eat that up. its sad, but if you're aesthetically pleasing, people like you. can you imagine if obama's daughter was knocked up? the uproar? palin gets a free pass, part of it has to do with being white. her story is a lifetime movie, i mean, come on....down syndrome kid? miss alaska? mom? again, none of this qualifies her for the 2nd highest power in the land, but what the hell, she'll pull in alot of votes.
2. i'm willing to bet shes real good in debates. she will hold her own, and biden is screwed. if she slaps biden around, the press will love her. if biden slaps her around, palin will look like the female vicitm, and come out smelling fresh, and the press will love her. not fair for joey. republicans want their version of obama, someone young and energetic, someone to balance mccain. someone connected to the younger generation, someone to get excited for. and they got her. shes a good orator by their standards, and she'll be around for a long time.
3. red-meat for the base: far-right social views worthy for the jesus-freaks. again, satisfies the base who are unsatisfied with mccain.
4. reformer: this is probably one of the biggest reasons mccain choose her. she's new, considered a "washington outsider". with a short history of being a reformer and "fighting corruption" in her party. mccain gets his maverick label back and able to distance himself from W and the last 8 years. he can also sing the same BS "change" song obama's been singing. mccain at 70+ years old, is the only republican that can work the change angle since he does have a history of reaching across the table. this pick solidifies the perception, even though palin' views are in line with traditional conservative values.
5. the vagina: this is just gravy. if she can sway independents to vote for her because she has one of these, then by golly, its another score. i never saw this is a possiblity with her far right social views, i mean, how could hillary voters vote for palin? but supposedly, its working. still can't figure it out.
so theres more than just her being a woman that locked up the choice. she was the smart, strategic choice. name another candidate that would've brought all this....so if you're a woman "insulted" by this choice. dont be...she may have different views that most of us here, and this is sad but true - she was the best candidate he couldve chosen. someone to nab the spotlight back and energize the base. whether you support her or not, disagree with her views, women should not be insulted by the impact she's making or what she brings.
you know what's kinda fun is when i read through this the second time, i just substituted the words "barack" "black" "he" "him" "skin color" and "his" you should try it
how many people want to vote for barack because he's black and they want to be part of history? just sayin
It's a lame choice...McCain scrambling to sway the heartbroken Hilary fans, how can so many American voters be so naive and stupid?? Find a woman which nobody knows anything about so that she seems to be a fresh face so that you come closer to matching Obamas most attractive asset, his so called "fresh face" image, and you also snag the bitter Hilary fans. And somehow everybody forgets that a completely inexperienced person from nowhere can potentially be the president that is supposed to turn this nation around in every sense....god this pisses me off, a horrible joke!
again, it amazes me that people are saying this kind of thing and then turning around and supporting obama. that bolded part could EASILY be said about obama, yet it "pisses you off" for it to be applicable to the VP candidate on the other side. you just don't see it, though, do you? (and by "you", i mean "you in general", not "you in particular". not trying to start a personal fight or anything)
if I compare it is obvious to me she has done NOTHING to deserve her position, except being a woman nobody has heard of. Furthermore it is pure stuborness to compare Obama with her, though i agree that Obama does not have sufficient experience either. I never supported Obama and I never believed in his "fresh" presence in politics, I still don't understand what that entails, but I do know it was a brilliant campaign strategy. Controlling the masses is hardly an excercise in honesty, we are intentionally manipulated and the best manipulator wins. I'll reluctantly vote for Obama in order to have a democratic majority in washington.
again, it amazes me that people are saying this kind of thing and then turning around and supporting obama. that bolded part could EASILY be said about obama, yet it "pisses you off" for it to be applicable to the VP candidate on the other side. you just don't see it, though, do you? (and by "you", i mean "you in general", not "you in particular". not trying to start a personal fight or anything)
I agree with their levels of experience, and I wish the whole "experience" argument was off the table now, because it doesn't really work for either side.
But the one difference to me between the two, is that Obama was voted on by the public after a looooonnnnnnggggg primary campaign to get to where he is. Sure he has some negatives, but the voting public apparently feel that the positives outweigh the negatives. Palin on the other hand was selected by one person (or a small group of people) to get where she is nationally.
But I guess in the end that it's up to the voters to either accept her or reject her as part of the ticket.
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I agree with their levels of experience, and I wish the whole "experience" argument was off the table now, because it doesn't really work for either side.
But the one difference to me between the two, is that Obama was voted on by the public after a looooonnnnnnggggg primary campaign to get to where he is. Sure he has some negatives, but the voting public apparently feel that the positives outweigh the negatives. Palin on the other hand was selected by one person (or a small group of people) to get where she is nationally.
But I guess in the end that it's up to the voters to either accept her or reject her as part of the ticket.
i understand your point about the primaries vs vp pick. on the other hand, do you not think obama was fast-tracked to the upper echelon of the party in large part because of his, um, aesthetic qualities? he didn't get to where he is based on some grass-roots movement. he had long-term DNC help. they've been working on making him a rock star for 5 years or more...
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Well, you opened the door. Barack has no credentials.
Wow, so Obama is a Senator for one term and gets on the fast track because he is black, and that is okay? This thread would not exist if McCain would have picked the male first term governor/senator on his list. This is sexist.
funny you mention choice b. i remember when bill clinton was running, a lot of women had said they were voting for him because he's "so handsome".
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20 months of intense scrutiny and being voted in by 18 million people, and supported by the person who got the other 18 million votes is far less of a "fast track" than being picked 65 days prior to the election ... your comparison is flawwed
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
totally agree with these above statements the USA is in big time trouble ,it's the same shit from her & him over and over again .....
Since when did we start voting for vice presidential nominees? The process is not necessary, and picking a first term Senator or Governor is not a huge deal. If voting is your thing, then NOBODY voted for Biden, but he is a VP? Do you think that is strange that someone NOBODY would vote for president is now a heartbeat away from the presidency? No issue with that? Just an issue with Palin, a woman who is too pretty to be smart? Open minded liberals....luv ya.
Since when was it wrong to pick someone to round out the ticket? Oh yeah, when she was conservative female. Liberals are hypocrites. You ever notice that minorities succeed in conservative administrations, yet are crucified by Democrats? Condaleeza, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas...
I still don't understand why black people vote for Democrats in such high amounts. What have they gotten from Democrats besides making them dependent on government?
we all know mccain wanted to choose his butt buddy lieberman. but he never wouldve won with him on the ticket. but think of what this chick brings to the table:
1. shes young, white, and hot. pretty good looking family too. americans eat that up. its sad, but if you're aesthetically pleasing, people like you. can you imagine if obama's daughter was knocked up? the uproar? palin gets a free pass, part of it has to do with being white. her story is a lifetime movie, i mean, come on....down syndrome kid? miss alaska? mom? again, none of this qualifies her for the 2nd highest power in the land, but what the hell, she'll pull in alot of votes.
2. i'm willing to bet shes real good in debates. she will hold her own, and biden is screwed. if she slaps biden around, the press will love her. if biden slaps her around, palin will look like the female vicitm, and come out smelling fresh, and the press will love her. not fair for joey. republicans want their version of obama, someone young and energetic, someone to balance mccain. someone connected to the younger generation, someone to get excited for. and they got her. shes a good orator by their standards, and she'll be around for a long time.
3. red-meat for the base: far-right social views worthy for the jesus-freaks. again, satisfies the base who are unsatisfied with mccain.
4. reformer: this is probably one of the biggest reasons mccain choose her. she's new, considered a "washington outsider". with a short history of being a reformer and "fighting corruption" in her party. mccain gets his maverick label back and able to distance himself from W and the last 8 years. he can also sing the same BS "change" song obama's been singing. mccain at 70+ years old, is the only republican that can work the change angle since he does have a history of reaching across the table. this pick solidifies the perception, even though palin' views are in line with traditional conservative values.
5. the vagina: this is just gravy. if she can sway independents to vote for her because she has one of these, then by golly, its another score. i never saw this is a possiblity with her far right social views, i mean, how could hillary voters vote for palin? but supposedly, its working. still can't figure it out.
so theres more than just her being a woman that locked up the choice. she was the smart, strategic choice. name another candidate that would've brought all this....so if you're a woman "insulted" by this choice. dont be...she may have different views that most of us here, and this is sad but true - she was the best candidate he couldve chosen. someone to nab the spotlight back and energize the base. whether you support her or not, disagree with her views, women should not be insulted by the impact she's making or what she brings.
Check out some recent videos from the Daily Show to see your beloved cons in all of their hypocritical glory. Give us a fucking break, guy.
They get crucified first for being Republicans and uncle tom's, guy. If the Daily Show wasn't so liberal, maybe they would show the Dems in their hypocritical glory. That said, I love the Daily Show, and in the last year or so it has gotten a lot funnier.
I think it's because any black person, like most people in this country, are smart enough to make an informed choice about the party that will fight hardest for them. And it seems, according to percentages, that they don't find much to like in the Republican Party lately.
I think she was a brilliant choice for McCain. Smart pres candidates pick VP candidates to round out the ticket. My point is how pathetic it is to feign being offended because God forbid people question the choice.
And you have no ability to participate is a discussion without posting some ridiculous smear against your parties opposition. Instead of sticking to the topic you decide to act like a typical partisan hack.
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last time i checked, judicial branch = executive branch
ebay isn't evil people are
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you know what's kinda fun is when i read through this the second time, i just substituted the words "barack" "black" "he" "him" "skin color" and "his" you should try it
how many people want to vote for barack because he's black and they want to be part of history? just sayin
ebay isn't evil people are
The South is Much Obliged
again, it amazes me that people are saying this kind of thing and then turning around and supporting obama. that bolded part could EASILY be said about obama, yet it "pisses you off" for it to be applicable to the VP candidate on the other side. you just don't see it, though, do you? (and by "you", i mean "you in general", not "you in particular". not trying to start a personal fight or anything)
ebay isn't evil people are
The South is Much Obliged
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07-Katowice
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I agree with their levels of experience, and I wish the whole "experience" argument was off the table now, because it doesn't really work for either side.
But the one difference to me between the two, is that Obama was voted on by the public after a looooonnnnnnggggg primary campaign to get to where he is. Sure he has some negatives, but the voting public apparently feel that the positives outweigh the negatives. Palin on the other hand was selected by one person (or a small group of people) to get where she is nationally.
But I guess in the end that it's up to the voters to either accept her or reject her as part of the ticket.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
i understand your point about the primaries vs vp pick. on the other hand, do you not think obama was fast-tracked to the upper echelon of the party in large part because of his, um, aesthetic qualities? he didn't get to where he is based on some grass-roots movement. he had long-term DNC help. they've been working on making him a rock star for 5 years or more...
ebay isn't evil people are
The South is Much Obliged