Sarah Palin question
mammasan
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My girlfriend mentioned something about Palin this morning and it got me thinking. She stated that if Sarah Palin was a man or even an older less attractive woman she would not have been selected as the VP candidate. Now this is not an attack against her and I'm not trying to diminish any of her accomplishments, just merely asking what other thought about the statement.
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You are correct. They would not have picked "Mr. Palin". They picked her because:
a) she is a woman- and they wanted to get the Hillary votes away from Obama.
b) she is pretty- get the men who value looks on to the ticket- a distraction technique
Does Obama give a crap what Biden has to say, or was he just playing politics and picking someone with supposed foreign relations experience so the media would back off?
The veep pick this year has been a game.
Well there is a difference between Obama and Palin. Obama was selected by votes. Palin was picked by one man, or a small committee., but I do believe that you are right about Biden. had Obama's weekness not been foreign policy, and that being Biden's strength, he probably would not have picked him.
Biden brings more then foreign policy to the table...
i think he had arguably the best resume for the VP job... out of anyone in government quite frankly
she's worse than a 7th grader reading a book report ....
she's reading word for word of a script in front of her ... spouting how much aof a patriot and a maverick mccain is ... using pretty much every line she used the other night.
nothing new.
nothing about the republicans plan.
yet ........ these people are lapping it up.
If the people can vote Bush in '04 .... they can certainly be tricked into buying this crap. I fear for our future.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
What's so great about Biden's resume? Frankly, I'm not seeing anything so wonderful.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I think she's probably right. But, this can go many ways. If Obama wasn't black, he may probably would not have been selected as the P candidate. If Bush wasn't the son of a former Pres, he may not have been selected as a P candidate. If Clinton didn't have a natural talent for speaking, he most likely would not have been president. We could probably think of generalizations for every single politician if we had the time for it.
All politicians have idiosyncratic qualities.
True but if you take Bill Clinton away but put another candidate with the same appeal he still would have won. My point is that if you took Sarah Palin away and replaced her appearance, not her beliefs or credentials, would he/she still have been selected as the VP. The Barrack comparison is the same as Palin. If Obama was a white male would he have received the nomination?
If wanted to play politics, he could have gone with the Virginia or TX pick and seriously upset the apple cart.
McCain's vp pick has been a game. How much of a maverick is he if he couldn't even select his own vp choice?
they realize mccain can get elected but they still wanted "one of theirs" at the top....so they searched for one and got a 2-fer-1 in palin....christian fundy and a woman...and a hot one at that....who speaks well...it was a helluva selection by the gop.....and it scares the shit out of me
the VP pick is always a game. obama would still have been the nominee this year (it's absurd to think the delegates picked him because he was black, i'd say sadly that he was chosen despite that fact because of his charisma), but i am honestly not sure if he would have spoken at the 2004 dnc or not. it's possible he wouldn't have.
but palin was selected because she was a woman. if they'd picked a crusty old white guy with her views, their ship would be sunk. but they picked a young woman that allows them to package fashion in a palatable candidate because she doesn't look as scary as she is.
I don't know if you are right about the Bill Clinton thing. Supposedly, he was considered "attractive". LOL. So, if you replaced Dick Cheney's look and style with Clinton, I think he would've lost. But, that's just my opinion.
I think you are def right that Sarah Palin would not have been selected if she wasn't a woman. I def think Obama would not have received the nomination if he wasn't black.
Ever since JFK, looks have mattered.... I think your gf is totally right.
Would Obama be sending Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano and Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius to speak on his behalf if the GOP had a picked a Charlie Crist, Mitt Romney or someone similar as the VP?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080905/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_obama_women
I think the last think Obama ever thought he'd need was Hillary's help in this campaign.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
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- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
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- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
It's also possible that she is Closest to McCain in beliefs and he felt like he could work with her, that's not going to be the case with one of the people that lost to him like Romney, and who knows about Charlie Christ.
It could also be that he wanted an attractive younger person with the same ideals as him as important as image is in an election these days.
I don't think it's completely as simple as "she's a woman" but I definately think it played a large role in the decision to select her over the others. Put average unknown male governor in Alaska in the same circumstance and I doubt they are the choice. She might even be a better choice because of her lack of heavy public exposure prior to her selection.
McCain may well not get along really well with many people in his own party, after all he was pretty well taken out in 2000 and he's spent 8 years moving closer to them really so to select a guy like Mitt Romney I just can't see them getting along at all.
I agree with my gf, but in thinking about it, especially with all the sexist talk going around lately, isn't her selection basically sexist. I mean if she looked like Bea Author, sorry Bea, do you think she would have been picked. Probably not so that would leave me to believe that her looks had more to do with it than her credentials. That is sexism. Now of course this is all speculation since we can't prove it.
Dude, that quote tag under your name is awesome.
Well that is just good strategy. If he comes out throwing shots at her it could be perceived as sexist. In order to avoid that send a woman to throw your jabs for you.
I think your girlfriend is correct in her assessment...however, I think Plains social stances sealed the deal...
Hillary yes .... they always needed her .... probably not to the degree they'll need her now.
The others, no ... that's scrambling.
we have 2 months of this .... we'll see how it plays a week or two from now ..... if she is just saying the same things over and over, the initial shock of it all will be over and the public will grow tired of the story all together.
I'm sure her joke writers are coming up with a new routine for the debate.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
He may have but I believe in that case there was too much damage done in the primaries so probably not.
Yea. I think you are dead on. I also think that Obama's rise to power was racist (not in a bad way). When I say racist, I mean positive racism. Giving someone credit for being another color. Not putting them down.
If all were treated equally, it would probably be completely different race. Honestly, it probably should be.
I agree with your statement.. she was choosen because she is an attractive conservative woman who have the republican men sparking a woody for her and the republican women who think she is just like them and she is just attractive enough so that she is not intimidating.
If Elizabeth Hasselbeck from The View had more experience than just being on Survivor she could have been in the running also!
As individual fingers we can easily be broken, but together we make a mighty fist ~ Sitting Bull
I honestly think she'll be able to handle herself in the debate. I mean she beat a sitting Senator of 22 years in debates to get the nomination for gov in Alaska and he had the full support of the GOP at the time while she was the no-name upstart mayor from a small town.
I guess we'll find out in a few weeks.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
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- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Completely agree with. Had Obama been a white male he probably would not have even been a contender. It would have been Hilary right now as the Democratic nominee.
The thing about Obama ... I feel his ability to motivate and captivate an audience has as much, if not more to do with his success than race.
Does race play a part ... yes ... sadly, it's undeniable. But, there's more to it than race. You can't be in this thing for 20+ months just because you're black. Ask Alan Keyes or Jesse Jackson.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I totally agree. The irony here is that those who don't want her to win, keep underestimating her. This will come back to bite them.
When you are underestimated it doesn't take as much to beat expectations.
My opinion: She'll soar past expectations again and provide more buzz going into the election. I can't believe this is actually a real race now.
The stakes are far too high, no one is going to underestimate her ... at least not on the opposition's side. they cannot afford to underestimate her.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez