Chavez!!! Penns Buddy??

hiding
hiding Posts: 290
edited November 2007 in A Moving Train
what the hell is going on in venezala????

that is sean penns buddy right? sounds like something the bush admin would do.
seems he is changing the constitution so he can stay president permenentaly!!
and control the contries banks.


i could be totally off here but WTF!!!
one love

respect
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  • malabogia
    malabogia Posts: 59
    This is exactly what he is doing.
    What can someone ask for when he has power?
    More power...
    "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." Robert Pirsig
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    People are misunderstanding what he's doing.
    He's not saying there will be no more elections, just that there will be no time limit to the length of the presidency.
    What's the big deal?
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    Byrnzie wrote:
    People are misunderstanding what he's doing.
    He's not saying there will be no more elections, just that there will be no time limit to the length of the presidency.
    What's the big deal?

    would you care if bush did this after the last election?
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    810wmb wrote:
    would you care if bush did this after the last election?

    No. If people are dumb enough to vote for Bush then that's their problem.
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    good enough
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    most definitely should not be allowed ... term limits, however cosmetic, still serves a purpose ...
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Byrnzie wrote:
    People are misunderstanding what he's doing.
    He's not saying there will be no more elections, just that there will be no time limit to the length of the presidency.
    What's the big deal?

    No matter how you try to slice it Chavez is slowly transforming into his idol, a dictator named Castro. Even any president in any other democracy tried this there would be riots in the streets. Can you imagine if Tony Blair attempted to do this back in your England or Bush here in the states. You would have been screaming bloody fucking murder on this message board.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    mammasan wrote:
    No matter how you try to slice it Chavez is slowly transforming into his idol, a dictator named Castro. Even any president in any other democracy tried this there would be riots in the streets. Can you imagine if Tony Blair attempted to do this back in your England or Bush here in the states. You would have been screaming bloody fucking murder on this message board.

    Eh, he's already got a Queen. He probably loves the idea of a monarchy.

    But you're right. There would have been a lot of gnashing of teeth here if Bush decided to try something like that. But we'll excuse Chavez because he only has the interest of the people at heart.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    mammasan wrote:
    No matter how you try to slice it Chavez is slowly transforming into his idol, a dictator named Castro. Even any president in any other democracy tried this there would be riots in the streets. Can you imagine if Tony Blair attempted to do this back in your England or Bush here in the states. You would have been screaming bloody fucking murder on this message board.

    We don't have a 8 year cut off for the prime ministers here already so not sure what the problem is.

    The nob that is Blair was in power for ten years and Thatcher for eleven years.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    spiral out wrote:
    We don't have a 8 year cut off for the prime ministers here already so not sure what the problem is.

    The nob that is Blair was in power for ten years and Thatcher for eleven years.

    I was not aware of that, but if you did and your Prime Minister decided to do away with term limits I'm sure the majority of the population would have been up in arms.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    He wants to ban alcohol and revamp communism's old "New Man", so he is my enemy
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    mammasan wrote:
    I was not aware of that, but if you did and your Prime Minister decided to do away with term limits I'm sure the majority of the population would have been up in arms.

    the thing is ... a place like venezuela - the integrity of elections can be compromised a bit more then in England ...
  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    Given Chavez's history, why would anybody give him the benefit of the doubt? He's a whack job who has oil money to consolidate power, intimidate political rivals and the press, crush dissent, subsidize and therefore blind the lower classes, bribe the elite and pay off anyone else who knows better. He engages in serial propaganda, repeatedly telling his citizens to prepare for an impending American invasion. His idol is Castro for god's sake. And after his UN speech in which he called Bush the devil... are you kidding? What a freak! I feel sorry for the people of Venezuela.
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    the above is true

    also, penn's a commie
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    mammasan wrote:
    I was not aware of that, but if you did and your Prime Minister decided to do away with term limits I'm sure the majority of the population would have been up in arms.

    No i really don't see what the issue is, it is democratic society they are free to vote him out of power if they want.

    But obviously he is a villain as he's not complying with America.

    There was a failed coup there backed by America not so long ago.

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,688071,00.html

    This is the real issue here as always.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,978
    NCfan wrote:
    Given Chavez's history, why would anybody give him the benefit of the doubt? He's a whack job who has oil money to consolidate power, intimidate political rivals and the press, crush dissent, subsidize and therefore blind the lower classes, bribe the elite and pay off anyone else who knows better. He engages in serial propaganda, repeatedly telling his citizens to prepare for an impending American invasion. His idol is Castro for god's sake. And after his UN speech in which he called Bush the devil... are you kidding? What a freak! I feel sorry for the people of Venezuela.

    agreed this fucking monkey indian is not to be trusted fuck him, and to the thread starter where did you get your writting skills damm ...:confused:
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    i figure he's close to self destructing on his own. I'm sure the western powers would pounce on him if they had the chance, but I would just leave him alone and wait til he collapses under the weight of his massive ego.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    NCfan wrote:
    Given Chavez's history, why would anybody give him the benefit of the doubt? He's a whack job who has oil money to consolidate power, intimidate political rivals and the press, crush dissent, subsidize and therefore blind the lower classes, bribe the elite and pay off anyone else who knows better. He engages in serial propaganda, repeatedly telling his citizens to prepare for an impending American invasion. His idol is Castro for god's sake. And after his UN speech in which he called Bush the devil... are you kidding? What a freak! I feel sorry for the people of Venezuela.

    What and there's no propaganda in America and bush is the model president?
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    spiral out wrote:
    No i really don't see what the issue is, it is democratic society they are free to vote him out of power if they want.

    But obviously he is a villain as he's not complying with America.

    There was a failed coup there backed by America not so long ago.

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,688071,00.html

    This is the real issue here as always.

    Venezuala is not a true democracy, and it's a bit misguiding to say that the people are free to vote him out of power if they want.

    A true democratic governement/society has an un-fettered press, transparent government, free-market economy, independent judicial system, etc...

    Chavez has consolidated his power in a way that he controls most of these institutions and is attempting to control key industries/businesses/companies. And the ones he doesn't either own or influence, he harrasses.

    It's painfully clear that he is a committed socialist, and throughout history, regimes such as his have been historically hard to "bring down" or vote out of power.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    NCfan wrote:
    A true democratic governement/society has an un-fettered press, transparent government, free-market economy, independent judicial system, etc...

    although i don't agree with this move by chavez ... america is none of the things yuo mentioned ...

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