Iran is lying about its nuke program

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    its not as cut and dry in comparison to the cute story you made up.

    Well lets look at it...

    "What if your neighbor launched an 8 year war on your house (and family) paid for by the guy down the street? "

    (Iran/ Iraq war).

    "How willing do you think you'd be to listen to the guy down the street when he interrogates you, then threatens you personally, then has the nerve to tell you you're not allowed to use electricity, and if you don't shut off your electricity, he's going to personally burn your house down and kill your children. "

    (US threat of cease and desist or Iran will be bombed back to the stone age).

    "Oh and you'd better be smiling and curteous when he talks to you or he's going to smear your reputation up and down the street and try to make everyone else hate you."

    (ongoing smear propaganda)

    Counter this with what Iran has done in their part of the equation to encourage it.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Well lets look at it...

    "What if your neighbor launched an 8 year war on your house (and family) paid for by the guy down the street? "

    (Iran/ Iraq war).

    "How willing do you think you'd be to listen to the guy down the street when he interrogates you, then threatens you personally, then has the nerve to tell you you're not allowed to use electricity, and if you don't shut off your electricity, he's going to personally burn your house down and kill your children. "

    (US threat of cease and desist or Iran will be bombed back to the stone age).

    "Oh and you'd better be smiling and curteous when he talks to you or he's going to smear your reputation up and down the street and try to make everyone else hate you."

    (ongoing smear propaganda)

    Counter this with what Iran has done in their part of the equation to encourage it.

    again, life isnt that simple. thats much more to it. you cant some up the last 20 years by a cute little 5 sentence story.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    What if your neighbor launched an 8 year war on your house (and family) paid for by the guy down the street? How willing do you think you'd be to listen to the guy down the street when he interrogates you, then threatens you personally, then has the nerve to tell you you're not allowed to use electricity, and if you don't shut off your electricity, he's going to personally burn your house down and kill your children. Oh and you'd better be smiling and curteous when he talks to you or he's going to smear your reputation up and down the street and try to make everyone else hate you.

    I know what I'd tell him. How bout you?

    Iran signed the NPT so they have to abide by the rules. If they don't they face the consequences of their actions. Now I know you are going to say that the US doesn't exactly obey the rules either. Agreed but an Iran with nuclear weapons, even if they never use them or threaten to use them, will cause an escalation in the region. The last thing we need is other countries like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc... racing to arm themselves with nuclear missles.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    again, life isnt that simple. thats much more to it. you cant some up the last 20 years by a cute little 5 sentence story.


    Well you're wondering why Iran is acting the way it is. What have they done to encourage their current situation?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Well you're wondering why Iran is acting the way it is. What have they done to encourage their current situation?

    then Iran shouldnt lie and say its only for peaceful purposes. US has and is doing nothing to encourage lying. they do that all on their own .
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mammasan wrote:
    Iran signed the NPT so they have to abide by the rules. If they don't they face the consequences of their actions. Now I know you are going to say that the US doesn't exactly obey the rules either. Agreed but an Iran with nuclear weapons, even if they never use them or threaten to use them, will cause an escalation in the region. The last thing we need is other countries like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc... racing to arm themselves with nuclear missles.

    When they signed the NPT I don't think they imagined the US would conquer their neighbor on such suspicious pretenses, and then proceed to paint their leader with colorful propaganda, so it kind of throws the bets off a little.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    then Iran shouldnt lie and say its only for peaceful purposes. US has and is doing nothing to encourage lying. they do that all on their own .

    8 years of war can make people tired of listening to the man, especially when they don't agree with him in the first place. It's purely political from Iran's perspective. China and Russia are backing them, so this is probably their way of flipping the US the finger for those 8 years of inflicted joy.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    When they signed the NPT I don't think they imagined the US would conquer their neighbor on such suspicious pretenses, and then proceed to paint their leader with colorful propaganda, so it kind of throws the bets off a little.

    looks like some of the colorful propaganda is turning out true, eh?
  • idratherbe
    idratherbe Posts: 367
    even flow? wrote:
    Yes I get that. And who controls what? Anyway, it all depends on which side of the fence you live on and what you believe as to who should own what and what they are going to do with it and what you should do about it. Isn't the world a great place!

    Bingo. The view's great from the ivory tower, eh? ;)

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    looks like some of the colorful propaganda is turning out true, eh?

    It's a bit too early to say he's going to start nuking people don't you think?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    When they signed the NPT I don't think they imagined the US would conquer their neighbor on such suspicious pretenses, and then proceed to paint their leader with colorful propaganda, so it kind of throws the bets off a little.

    That does not matter. A nuclear Iran is not beneficial to the region. I'm not even talking about Israel or the US, I'm leaving them out of the equation. If Iran developes a nuclear weapon it will cause an escalation in the region unseen since the hey days of the Cold War. It can destabilze and already fucked up region sending oil prices through the fucking roof. The nuclear prolifiration could easily spread to Southeast Asia with Pakistand and India increasing the size of their arsenal.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mammasan wrote:
    That does not matter. A nuclear Iran is not beneficial to the region. I'm not even talking about Israel or the US, I'm leaving them out of the equation. If Iran developes a nuclear weapon it will cause an escalation in the region unseen since the hey days of the Cold War. It can destabilze and already fucked up region sending oil prices through the fucking roof. The nuclear prolifiration could easily spread to Southeast Asia with Pakistand and India increasing the size of their arsenal.

    A nuclear Iran is beneficial for Iran. Can you blame them for looking out for their own best interests?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    A nuclear Iran is beneficial for Iran. Can you blame them for looking out for their own best interests?

    It's not even beneficial to them. What is beneficial to Iran is a stable Middle East where Iran is an active leading member of the region. Iran will never obtain any of those goals if they develope nuclear weapons.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It's a bit too early to say he's going to start nuking people don't you think?

    yea but not too early to say they are lying about only wanting nukes for peaceful purposes. dont ya think?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    A nuclear Iran is beneficial for Iran. Can you blame them for looking out for their own best interests?

    are you serious? several countries are threatening military action against them if they develop one. how is that beneficial?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    are you serious? several countries are threatening military action against them if they develop one. how is that beneficial?


    It's called nuclear energy for electricity. There's fair sized population going on there.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yea but not too early to say they are lying about only wanting nukes for peaceful purposes. dont ya think?

    That's propaganda. Where's the evidence showing Iran wants to start blowing everything up? The media is trying to, but no cigar.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It's called nuclear energy for electricity. There's fair sized population going on there.

    I think at this point it is starting toi become some what obvious that Iran may have other intentions.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mammasan wrote:
    It's not even beneficial to them. What is beneficial to Iran is a stable Middle East where Iran is an active leading member of the region. Iran will never obtain any of those goals if they develope nuclear weapons.

    Nuclear power generation is not beneficial? We should shut all ours down then and go back to burning coal...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It's called nuclear energy for electricity. There's fair sized population going on there.

    o thats right. but it appears they want it for more then just that. how is that beneficial?

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