Can someone please remind me the negative side of marijuana?

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  • MarylandTeacher
    MarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    isn't walking around feeling "burned out" all the time the downside to being high?

    If not that, then suffering from a very low level of testosterone could be enough to discourage most guys from smoking pot.

    Hitch-Hiker wrote:
    If you smoke enough it can really fuck up your brain.
    But in moderation it's awesome, just like anything really.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    fucking potheads............

    :D

    We're peaceful people, speedy :)
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  • MarylandTeacher
    MarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    wolfbear wrote:
    There are none for normal people. Only controlling busy-bodies that don't have a life and feel a need to make everyone else's life miserable care. When did we lose the ability and freedom to police ourselves? I miss that. :)

    but there are many who buy their smoke from some guy. While sucking down that last bong hit, it's easy for us to forget how ruthless the drug manufacturers are, carving out their territory on the backs of the innocent. Bogotá, Columbia is a perfect example of a ruined country. Bogotá became a narco-democracy for the better part of 10 years. The Cocaine Trade ran the entire country of Columbia during the late 1980’s/early 1990’s.

    Does anyone remember Pablo Escobar? Cocaine didn’t just “find” its way to the US. Somewhere along the line, there were bribes, beatings, executions, extortions, and lives were ruined. The casual drug user may not realize that. For every dime bag that lands in the pocket of a middle school student, countless lives were compromised, if not ruined outright, to get that kid his ganja. And while the marijuana trade may not be as ruthless as the Columbian Drug Cartels, the argument still rings true.

    ….not a sermon, just my spin.
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    angelica wrote:
    The problem comes in when medications are masking symptoms and the actual causes beneath the surface. Substance abuse by its very nature is different than legitimate problem solving including pain management.

    The key is in releasing/solving the actual causes to problems, thusly problem solving. I would still be taking numerous psychiatric medications if I was interested in continuing to mask symptoms. Instead, I chose healing and recovery, and I practice prevention as well.

    Maladaptation, like taking medication, suits a very distinct purpose of adaptation, which is why we continue to use such methods to cope with our problems. Maladaptation is easily recognized by the fallout it contains. Whereas actual adaptation is recognized by the clarity and resolution of fallout. Unfortunately, with the general state of our evolution at this time, it's the social norm in the western world to mask symptoms and deny, cut out and demonize them. To our own detriment as a people. We don't accept them, learn from them and resolve them on the whole.

    As we gradually awaken and recognize that we are accepting, creating, and coping with issues that lead to our illnesses, disorders and imbalances, we'll begin to seek to not cope with our problems, but to resolve them. We will then experience nearly unimaginable health, vitality and energy, right up into our old age, and to death.

    it reads like you're saying anyone who ever uses any substance is automatically by default abusing it. if i got mangled in a car wreck, sorry, but you can take your pain management and shove it. give me a fucking morphine drip, not some psycho-babble bullshit.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    angelica wrote:
    Substance abuse includes alcohol as well. So, for me, the "alcohol is as bad or worse" argument is irrelevent.

    Also, for those who cannot enjoy a relaxing evening without using external substances that would be the definition of using a crutch.

    who is to say they cannot enjoy a relaxing evening without it? maybe they just enjoy the added boost it provides, but can take it or leave it.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    angelica wrote:
    I choose what I think, say and do, as you choose for yourself what you think, say and do. Fair is fair. I'm perfectly fine with that. If you are not comfortable with my perspective and the fact that I have shared it, I can accept that.

    you and dreamn should start a clinic for passive-aggressive mind fucking ;)
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    know1 wrote:
    I heard a story on the news a few weeks ago about a mom stoned out while her toddlers were outside roaming the streets. I guess that could be a negative side...

    i hear a lot fo stories about parents not doing shit while their toddlers are roaming the streets... from sitting around watching tv to working 3 jobs to pay the bills. i dont think they're related.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    soulsinging wrote:
    i hear a lot fo stories about parents not doing shit while their toddlers are roaming the streets... from sitting around watching tv to working 3 jobs to pay the bills. i dont think they're related.

    Well, the story I heard made a direct correlation. Maybe the stories you're hearing involve pot as well.

    I'm sure that the same could be said for alcohol too, so I'm not necessarily making a judgment against pot. Just saying that there probably are negative effects sometimes just like anything else in the world.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    MarylandTeacher wrote:
    isn't walking around feeling "burned out" all the time the downside to being high?

    If not that, then suffering from a very low level of testosterone could be enough to discourage most guys from smoking pot.

    where did you get this info...?
  • MarylandTeacher
    MarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    angelica wrote:
    The problem comes in when medications are masking symptoms and the actual causes beneath the surface. Substance abuse by its very nature is different than legitimate problem solving including pain management.

    The key is in releasing/solving the actual causes to problems, thusly problem solving. I would still be taking numerous psychiatric medications if I was interested in continuing to mask symptoms. Instead, I chose healing and recovery, and I practice prevention as well.

    Maladaptation, like taking medication, suits a very distinct purpose of adaptation, which is why we continue to use such methods to cope with our problems. Maladaptation is easily recognized by the fallout it contains. Whereas actual adaptation is recognized by the clarity and resolution of fallout. Unfortunately, with the general state of our evolution at this time, it's the social norm in the western world to mask symptoms and deny, cut out and demonize them. To our own detriment as a people. We don't accept them, learn from them and resolve them on the whole.

    As we gradually awaken and recognize that we are accepting, creating, and coping with issues that lead to our illnesses, disorders and imbalances, we'll begin to seek to not cope with our problems, but to resolve them. We will then experience nearly unimaginable health, vitality and energy, right up into our old age, and to death.

    If you enjoyed her post, thank an English teacher. :)
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    know1 wrote:
    Well, the story I heard made a direct correlation. Maybe the stories you're hearing involve pot as well.

    I'm sure that the same could be said for alcohol too, so I'm not necessarily making a judgment against pot. Just saying that there probably are negative effects sometimes just like anything else in the world.

    I'm sure you know that correlation does not imply causation...
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    know1 wrote:
    Well, the story I heard made a direct correlation. Maybe the stories you're hearing involve pot as well.

    I'm sure that the same could be said for alcohol too, so I'm not necessarily making a judgment against pot. Just saying that there probably are negative effects sometimes just like anything else in the world.

    undoubtedly so. i just think if we're trying to combat things like poor parenting and social problems by pointing the finger at pot, we're wasting our time. it's just used as a convenient scapegoat most of the time for people who don't have the balls or desire to confront the real problems.
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    PJPOWER wrote:
    1. False- Has alcohol caused a drunken wife-beating culture, or is it just within a few select populations, and what are the other causes of that said culture?
    2. Depends on where you work..........I bet a graphic designer would do pretty well.
    3. Isn't it illegal to drive when intoxicated by anything? That doesn't make alcohol illegal to buy and sell, does it?
    4. Studies have shown that even the smallest decisions made by "stoned" individuals are actually analized more thoroughly than by the un-"stoned".
    5. I bet I could show a stronger corrolation of Heroin users that drink milk than ones that have tried marijuana.............maybe milk is a gateway liquid. Hard drug users have tried a lot of shit and other life events usually lead to them using what they use.


    The main problem with marijuana is that it's too dificult to get ahold of........................I'm willing to bet that border violence would be reduced if people were able to grow it in their backyard.


    Just wanted to point out that correlations don't mean causation.

    Oh shit, inmytree beat me...
  • MarylandTeacher
    MarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    Just wanted to point out that correlations don't mean causation.

    True, but where there is smoke, there is fire.
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    MarylandTeacher wrote:
    but there are many who buy their smoke from some guy. While sucking down that last bong hit, it's easy for us to forget how ruthless the drug manufacturers are, carving out their territory on the backs of the innocent. Bogotá, Columbia is a perfect example of a ruined country. Bogotá became a narco-democracy for the better part of 10 years. The Cocaine Trade ran the entire country of Columbia during the late 1980’s/early 1990’s.

    Does anyone remember Pablo Escobar? Cocaine didn’t just “find” its way to the US. Somewhere along the line, there were bribes, beatings, executions, extortions, and lives were ruined. The casual drug user may not realize that. For every dime bag that lands in the pocket of a middle school student, countless lives were compromised, if not ruined outright, to get that kid his ganja. And while the marijuana trade may not be as ruthless as the Columbian Drug Cartels, the argument still rings true.

    ….not a sermon, just my spin.

    so lets see.....has this prohibition done much to curb America's appitite..NO....can the government and close minded folks do something to end this today...YES. So whose to blame here???
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  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    erm...i only smoke joints socially :D

    i don't have marijuana in my house, i don't do it on a regular basis, fuck i don't even know how to make a joint.

    and when i do smoke i take some pulls, if i'm drunk ( prefer to smoke when i'm drunk cause it makes this stuff stonger ) i only take 2 or 3 pulls, and that gets me fucked.

    what i love about marijuana, is the next day affect.....its this sort of peacefulness on my mind and chilled out state.....the world becomes more lively.....i know you all probably thinking what's this nonsense i'm talking about, but hey that's the only way i can describe how i feel.

    oh, and the downsides....cause i don't smoke a lot i don't know. i'm sure you'll find a lot of side affects if you search on the net. but one side affect that i'm afraid of is damaging memory.
    i don't care about my mental state cause i'm already paranoid :D
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    soulsinging wrote:
    undoubtedly so. i just think if we're trying to combat things like poor parenting and social problems by pointing the finger at pot, we're wasting our time. it's just used as a convenient scapegoat most of the time for people who don't have the balls or desire to confront the real problems.

    True. As I said, I was trying to come up with an answer to the thread title question.

    Bad parenting really does supersede the blame that could be put on marijuana, but I'm sure the marijuana use isn't helping the situation any.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    Just wanted to point out that correlations don't mean causation.

    Oh shit, inmytree beat me...
    That was actually the point that I was trying to get to in #5. I hope no one took that literally..................if so, I really worry about their logic-reasoning skills.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    MarylandTeacher wrote:
    but there are many who buy their smoke from some guy. While sucking down that last bong hit, it's easy for us to forget how ruthless the drug manufacturers are, carving out their territory on the backs of the innocent. Bogotá, Columbia is a perfect example of a ruined country. Bogotá became a narco-democracy for the better part of 10 years. The Cocaine Trade ran the entire country of Columbia during the late 1980’s/early 1990’s.

    Does anyone remember Pablo Escobar? Cocaine didn’t just “find” its way to the US. Somewhere along the line, there were bribes, beatings, executions, extortions, and lives were ruined. The casual drug user may not realize that. For every dime bag that lands in the pocket of a middle school student, countless lives were compromised, if not ruined outright, to get that kid his ganja. And while the marijuana trade may not be as ruthless as the Columbian Drug Cartels, the argument still rings true.

    ….not a sermon, just my spin.
    Well, since people aren't going to stop smoking it just because it's illegal, wouldn't the logical answer to stopping the "marijuana trade" problem be to legalize it to where you could grow it in your own backyard, or to where you could go to your local smoke shop and buy it?
  • MarylandTeacher
    MarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    inmytree wrote:
    where did you get this info...?

    That information was passed around as early as the 1980's. The New York Times has this article that shows that chronic use of pot lowers the production of testosterone.

    In summary: short term gain and a long term loss.

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9D00E1D9163BF936A15754C0A967948260
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.

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