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Can someone please remind me the negative side of marijuana?

DerrickDerrick Posts: 475
edited August 2007 in A Moving Train
...I'm always forgetting what the fuss is.

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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Derrick wrote:
    ...I'm always forgetting what the fuss is.

    :-)

    Many people brag about using it while abusing it's usage way too much. Other than that I'm fine with it.:D

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  • Hitch-HikerHitch-Hiker Posts: 2,873
    If you smoke enough it can really fuck up your brain.
    But in moderation it's awesome, just like anything really.
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Allow me to preface with the fact that i don't really care if folks choose to use it and i'm not opposed to the idea of legalisation. As a non-user its not an issue i pay much attention to. That being said i offer these, not as definites or certainties, but definite POSSIBILITIES including, but not limited to:

    1. Apathetic attitude and sluggish burn-out culture.
    2. Lost production in the workplace.
    3. Its dangerous to drive 15 mph on the interstate.
    4. Potential danger to the general population due to stoned individuals making poor decisions.
    5. It is, in fact, one of those "gateway drugs".
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    apply previously learned lessons of moderation to marijuana...BRILLIANT!
  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    the munchies...other than that, nada.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    it's tough on the lungs. other than that, no worse than any other drug. they all affect different people differently.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    cornnifer wrote:
    Allow me to preface with the fact that i don't really care if folks choose to use it and i'm not opposed to the idea of legalisation. As a non-user its not an issue i pay much attention to. That being said i offer these, not as definites or certainties, but definite POSSIBILITIES including, but not limited to:

    1. Apathetic attitude and sluggish burn-out culture.
    2. Lost production in the workplace.
    3. Its dangerous to drive 15 mph on the interstate.
    4. Potential danger to the general population due to stoned individuals making poor decisions.
    5. It is, in fact, one of those "gateway drugs".

    1. False- Has alcohol caused a drunken wife-beating culture, or is it just within a few select populations, and what are the other causes of that said culture?
    2. Depends on where you work..........I bet a graphic designer would do pretty well.
    3. Isn't it illegal to drive when intoxicated by anything? That doesn't make alcohol illegal to buy and sell, does it?
    4. Studies have shown that even the smallest decisions made by "stoned" individuals are actually analized more thoroughly than by the un-"stoned".
    5. I bet I could show a stronger corrolation of Heroin users that drink milk than ones that have tried marijuana.............maybe milk is a gateway liquid. Hard drug users have tried a lot of shit and other life events usually lead to them using what they use.


    The main problem with marijuana is that it's too dificult to get ahold of........................I'm willing to bet that border violence would be reduced if people were able to grow it in their backyard.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Those "Word of Life" people have a little in common with the teen weed culture in that it's an exciting little cult to be involved with, its "outside the law", and it can help you get laid. The difference with the teen smokers and the Word of Lifers is that the stoners usually grow out of it.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    A far worse gateway drug that is legal is called alcohol...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    A far worse gateway drug that is legal is called alcohol...

    gateway to what?
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    PJPOWER wrote:
    1. False- Has alcohol caused a drunken wife-beating culture, or is it just within a few select populations, and what are the other causes of that said culture?
    2. Depends on where you work..........I bet a graphic designer would do pretty well.
    3. Isn't it illegal to drive when intoxicated by anything? That doesn't make alcohol illegal to buy and sell, does it?
    4. Studies have shown that even the smallest decisions made by "stoned" individuals are actually analized more thoroughly than by the un-"stoned".
    5. I bet I could show a stronger corrolation of Heroin users that drink milk than ones that have tried marijuana.............maybe milk is a gateway liquid. Hard drug users have tried a lot of shit and other life events usually lead to them using what they use.


    .
    1. When did i say alcohol was without this same "potential" negativity?
    2. Possibly. Great, we can all be graphic designers.
    3. See number 1. (besides, i made it quite clear that i do not picket against legalisation)
    4. Over analyzing a decision doesn't mean an impaired person will make the correct one. Besides alot of studies show alot of shit. (The person conducting this study was probably blazed anyway ;) )
    5. ???? Marijuanna is a VERY potential "gateway drug. Period. Your milk analogy is, i'm sorry, ridiculous. In many cases, said "life events" have led alot of "hard drug users" to start with weed before moving onto other "harder" shit.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    gue_barium wrote:
    gateway to what?

    bigger harder buzz (substances)

    reclaiming that 1st time you got drunk feeling...

    nicotine is a gateway drug as well...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    the biggest downside to marijuana is that its still illegal in this country. alcohol is a million times worse on many different levels, but you can buy it almost anywhere. makes no sense....legalize it!!!
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    bigger harder buzz (substances)

    reclaiming that 1st time you got drunk feeling...

    nicotine is a gateway drug as well...

    "Gateway drug" refers to a said drug's propensity in leading to another, more harmful or addictive drug. It isn't a reference to the tolerance one develops to alcohol or anything else.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    cornnifer wrote:
    1. When did i say alcohol was without this same "potential" negativity?
    2. Possibly. Great, we can all be graphic designers.
    3. See number 1. (besides, i made it quite clear that i do not picket against legalisation)
    4. Over analyzing a decision doesn't mean an impaired person will make the correct one. Besides alot of studies show alot of shit. (The person conducting this study was probably blazed anyway ;) )
    5. ???? Marijuanna is a VERY potential "gateway drug. Period. Your milk analogy is, i'm sorry, ridiculous. In many cases, said "life events" have led alot of "hard drug users" to start with weed before moving onto other "harder" shit.
    I'm sorry, I have a hard time believing that weed just opens to doors to cocaine or heroin or meth................cigarettes and pain killers and diet pills seem to be the culprit in those addictions in many more cases than marijuana. Mose marijuana smokers prefer marijuana, not "harder drugs". It could be said that the same mindset that cause a person to smoke weed may be similar to the mindset that caused someone to try something harder................."gateway drug" is a pretty stupid term. Anything that caused a person to come in contact or seek out a hard drug could be considered a gateway drug, so then why is marijuana always the culprit.......................it's not like we're teaching uneducated children that or anything, lol
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    PJPOWER wrote:
    I'm sorry, I have a hard time believing that weed just opens to doors to cocaine or heroin or meth................cigarettes and pain killers and diet pills seem to be the culprit in those addictions in many more cases than marijuana. Mose marijuana smokers prefer marijuana, not "harder drugs". It could be said that the same mindset that cause a person to smoke weed may be similar to the mindset that caused someone to try something harder................."gateway drug" is a pretty stupid term. Anything that caused a person to come in contact or seek out a hard drug could be considered a gateway drug, so then why is marijuana always the culprit.......................it's not like we're teaching uneducated children that or anything, lol

    i didn't say it was the only culprit. This is a thread about weed. Were it a thread about alcohol i may have made the same suggestions... and i drink! i think, perhaps, your seemingly irrational hostility here might be offered up as another possible answer to the original question. :)
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  • useruser Posts: 19
    Depression is a gateway condition.
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    The big downside to marijuana use is you are contributing to organized crime. Where I live there are routinely drive by shootings of grow-op houses, there are routinely heavily armed break and enters of grow-ops. This would not be so bad if the grow-ops weren't in residential areas, the idiots with the guns always got the right house and it wasn't contributing to organized crime.

    Much of the negative side to marijuana use would be addressed by leaglizing it but until then in using marijuana yuo are fully supporting and funding the above activities.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    cornnifer wrote:
    i didn't say it was the only culprit. This is a thread about weed. Were it a thread about alcohol i may have made the same suggestions... and i drink! i think, perhaps, your seemingly irrational hostility here might be offered up as another possible answer to the original question. :)

    Actually this thread could be a gateway to the topic of addictive personality disorder.

    Jesus freaks, and the such.
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    surferdude wrote:
    The big downside to marijuana use is you are contributing to organized crime. Where I live there are routinely drive by shootings of grow-op houses, there are routinely heavily armed break and enters of grow-ops. This would not be so bad if the grow-ops weren't in residential areas, the idiots with the guns always got the right house and it wasn't contributing to organized crime.

    Much of the negative side to marijuana use would be addressed by leaglizing it but until then in using marijuana yuo are fully supporting and funding the above activities.

    Good post. And I agree 100%--legalization would save lives, open up space in jails and maybe even bring in some nice "sin" tax revenue. And it's not like I (a marijuana virgin) would ever have to smell it. They'd be pretty strict with the law as far as where you can smoke it.
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    Good post. And I agree 100%--legalization would save lives, open up space in jails and maybe even bring in some nice "sin" tax revenue. And it's not like I (a marijuana virgin) would ever have to smell it. They'd be pretty strict with the law as far as where you can smoke it.
    But the point being made is that until marijuana is legalized that the drug may not be that harmful the industry is. And by using marijuana you are financially supporting both a harmful industry and organized crime. Just about every pot user I know conveniently forgets this fact when talking about marijuana use.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    surferdude wrote:
    But the point being made is that until marijuana is legalized that the drug may not be that harmful the industry is. And by using marijuana you are financially supporting both a harmful industry and organized crime. Just about every pot user I know conveniently forgets this fact when talking about marijuana use.

    I miss the late '70's. Marijuana was basically legal in America. At least where I lived. There was no war on drugs. Well, I guess there was, but the cops back then were too stoned to care.
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  • 1970RR1970RR Posts: 281
    surferdude wrote:
    But the point being made is that until marijuana is legalized that the drug may not be that harmful the industry is. And by using marijuana you are financially supporting both a harmful industry and organized crime. Just about every pot user I know conveniently forgets this fact when talking about marijuana use.
    The same way every drug warrior conveniently forgets that prohibition places the regulation of illegal drugs in the hands of criminal enterprises, rather than with the government or local communities.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Substance abuse has far reaching ramifications. The humanity that is numbed and minimized by substances is vast.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    angelica wrote:
    Substance abuse has far reaching ramifications. The humanity that is numbed and minimized by substances is vast.

    Does this include psychotropics?
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  • edvedder3779edvedder3779 Posts: 65
    macgyver06 wrote:
    apply previously learned lessons of moderation to marijuana...BRILLIANT!

    No, that was brilliant! :D

    OK, I didn't become familiar with MJ until my 20's, and while I was never a daily user, I've gone through my crests & troughs in terms of usage over the past 8 years. Personally, I don't understand why it's demonized.

    And even more ludicrous is the ban on growing industrial hemp. That one simply baffles me.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    surferdude wrote:
    The big downside to marijuana use is you are contributing to organized crime. Where I live there are routinely drive by shootings of grow-op houses, there are routinely heavily armed break and enters of grow-ops. This would not be so bad if the grow-ops weren't in residential areas, the idiots with the guns always got the right house and it wasn't contributing to organized crime.

    Much of the negative side to marijuana use would be addressed by leaglizing it but until then in using marijuana yuo are fully supporting and funding the above activities.

    True.

    Any pot user could plant his own plant for personal use, that way they're not contributing to organized crime.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    cornnifer wrote:
    i didn't say it was the only culprit. This is a thread about weed. Were it a thread about alcohol i may have made the same suggestions... and i drink! i think, perhaps, your seemingly irrational hostility here might be offered up as another possible answer to the original question. :)
    Or it could be offered up as an answer other than your are thinking to the original question, seeing as how I haven't smoked in a good year :P
    My RATIONAL hostility is based on a much wider spectrum.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    angelica wrote:
    Substance abuse has far reaching ramifications. The humanity that is numbed and minimized by substances is vast.
    so whose to say its a bad thing to be numbed.....or a bad thing to just sit around......the ole protestant work ethic is over rated.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    edvedder3779 wrote:
    No, that was brilliant! :D

    OK, I didn't become familiar with MJ until my 20's, and while I was never a daily user, I've gone through my crests & troughs in terms of usage over the past 8 years. Personally, I don't understand why it's demonized.

    And even more ludicrous is the ban on growing industrial hemp. That one simply baffles me.

    the thing that bothers me is...if you catch any individual you can have them side with you that it should be legal for industry...by just using common sense, and seeing an upside.. anyone can do it..

    so where are these 'ban' people coming from and how are they a majority.
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