the thing that bothers me is...if you catch any individual you can have them side with you that it should be legal for industry...by just using common sense, and seeing an upside.. anyone can do it..
so where are these 'ban' people coming from and how are they a majority.
Dude, I've been walking around the office all day doing the Guinness guys' shtick because of you.
Here's a great old WWII era advert called "Hemp For Victory":
"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."
-The Duke
so whose to say its a bad thing to be numbed.....or a bad thing to just sit around......the ole protestant work ethic is over rated.
When people are harming themselves, it speaks for itself. By this I mean when people are maladapted to their problems and creating fallout in their lives due to such maladaption, because they don't know how to adapt in healthy ways, it's self-evident. It's evolutionarily retarded.
I fully agree the work ethic is over-rated. I'm talking about something very different. I'm talking about humans hurting themselves by stifling their inner pain and traumas which is what substance abuse is about. When we compare the reality of stifling human potential in order to paralyze human potential, compared to resolving problems, healing and progressing, it's pretty clear where self-sabotage of maladaptive choice falls of the scale. One perpetuates their dysfunctional cycles. One cannot solve their problems with substance abuse, any more than one can solve being hungry with watching TV. And it affects all the people around the substance abuser in far-reaching ways.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
There are some potentially good effects. For example, if a person is afflicted with ADHD it may prove that THC works better than Ritalin to mitigate the affects of ADHD.
What Angelica is saying, is fine, if the problems are merely psychological. Otherwise, the difference between THC and Tylenol is in the details.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"Gateway drug" refers to a said drug's propensity in leading to another, more harmful or addictive drug. It isn't a reference to the tolerance one develops to alcohol or anything else.
I think booze is not necessarily exempt from that scenario.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I'm sorry, I have a hard time believing that weed just opens to doors to cocaine or heroin or meth................cigarettes and pain killers and diet pills seem to be the culprit in those addictions in many more cases than marijuana. Mose marijuana smokers prefer marijuana, not "harder drugs". It could be said that the same mindset that cause a person to smoke weed may be similar to the mindset that caused someone to try something harder................."gateway drug" is a pretty stupid term. Anything that caused a person to come in contact or seek out a hard drug could be considered a gateway drug, so then why is marijuana always the culprit.......................it's not like we're teaching uneducated children that or anything, lol
cigarettes...more addictive than heroin...zero beneficial qualities...100% legal...
government and politicians...sometimes beneficial ....100% assholes...
Makes want to light up a nice tar filled cancer puff...mmm...extra stinky...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Um... I have a greater article on the problems of folk psychology and why reduction to neuroscience provides a much greater understanding of so-called "psychological problems". Perhaps you'd be interested in reading it. But never-the-less, I did say that habituation is a problem, however, that is a moot point when the drug is being used for medicinal purposes where another drug with equal habituating side-effects will occur in it's place.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Um... I have a greater article on the problems of folk psychology and why reduction to neuroscience provides a much greater understanding of so-called "psychological problems". Perhaps you'd be interested in reading it. But never-the-less, I did say that habituation is a problem, however, that is a moot point when the drug is being used for medicinal purposes where another drug with equal habituating side-effects will occur in it's place.
The problem comes in when medications are masking symptoms and the actual causes beneath the surface. Substance abuse by its very nature is different than legitimate problem solving including pain management.
The key is in releasing/solving the actual causes to problems, thusly problem solving. I would still be taking numerous psychiatric medications if I was interested in continuing to mask symptoms. Instead, I chose healing and recovery, and I practice prevention as well.
Maladaptation, like taking medication, suits a very distinct purpose of adaptation, which is why we continue to use such methods to cope with our problems. Maladaptation is easily recognized by the fallout it contains. Whereas actual adaptation is recognized by the clarity and resolution of fallout. Unfortunately, with the general state of our evolution at this time, it's the social norm in the western world to mask symptoms and deny, cut out and demonize them. To our own detriment as a people. We don't accept them, learn from them and resolve them on the whole.
As we gradually awaken and recognize that we are accepting, creating, and coping with issues that lead to our illnesses, disorders and imbalances, we'll begin to seek to not cope with our problems, but to resolve them. We will then experience nearly unimaginable health, vitality and energy, right up into our old age, and to death.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Not a big deal if done in moderation... but it all depends on the individual person.
In my younger days, I knew people who got baked everyday, and some of them you could definitely tell, even later in life, they had/have that "burnout" personality... other people you would never know they smoked at all.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
The big downside to marijuana use is you are contributing to organized crime. Where I live there are routinely drive by shootings of grow-op houses, there are routinely heavily armed break and enters of grow-ops. This would not be so bad if the grow-ops weren't in residential areas, the idiots with the guns always got the right house and it wasn't contributing to organized crime.
Much of the negative side to marijuana use would be addressed by leaglizing it but until then in using marijuana yuo are fully supporting and funding the above activities.
To add to that. While it's illegal there is no regulation on the THC content. In Australia the 'hydro' has taken over and the THC content of this stuff is 20 times the amount that the old outdoor crops used to have. Smoke too much in one sitting and you'll achieve a whole new level of 'veging out'
It stinks. I don't have a moral objection to people smoking dope, but man that shit stinks!!! Nearly makes me throw up.
THANK YOU!! I hate the smell of pot. I also nearly vomit everytime I smell it. I can't stand it when it is smoked at concerts, even more so than cigarettes. It totally ruins the moment because I have to focus on not losing my lunch rather than the music. But what someone does at home is none of my concern as long as it isn't hurting anyone else.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
and could save our countries millions, in the long run. I'm talking about clothing, sails, etc.
The adult pot smoker who either grows or buys for recreational, at-home use, in my opinion does no harm to anyone, as long as he or she doesn't get behind the wheel and try to drive on the freeway.
The benefits of medicinal marijuana have already been proven and some states already allow it.
Speaking as a pot smoker and beer drinker, I can honestly say the beer does me more harm than the pot does.
As far as Angelica's argument is concerned - it's a good argument when discussing people who have need of a crutch. For those who enjoy a nice relaxing evening at home with their loved one and the cats, I'd rather have my illegal pot than my legal Coors Light any night.
As far as Angelica's argument is concerned - it's a good argument when discussing people who have need of a crutch. For those who enjoy a nice relaxing evening at home with their loved one and the cats, I'd rather have my illegal pot than my legal Coors Light any night.
Substance abuse includes alcohol as well. So, for me, the "alcohol is as bad or worse" argument is irrelevent.
Also, for those who cannot enjoy a relaxing evening without using external substances that would be the definition of using a crutch.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Substance abuse includes alcohol as well. So, for me, the "alcohol is as bad or worse" argument is irrelevent.
Also, for those who cannot enjoy a relaxing evening without using external substances that would be the definition of using a crutch.
It's the hedonistic imperitive. If it doesn't bother others, who cares?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
and could save our countries millions, in the long run. I'm talking about clothing, sails, etc.
The adult pot smoker who either grows or buys for recreational, at-home use, in my opinion does no harm to anyone, as long as he or she doesn't get behind the wheel and try to drive on the freeway.
The benefits of medicinal marijuana have already been proven and some states already allow it.
Speaking as a pot smoker and beer drinker, I can honestly say the beer does me more harm than the pot does.
As far as Angelica's argument is concerned - it's a good argument when discussing people who have need of a crutch. For those who enjoy a nice relaxing evening at home with their loved one and the cats, I'd rather have my illegal pot than my legal Coors Light any night.
thank you bu.......i've tried all day to present my feelings and this sumed it up nicely.......and since i'm posting.....:o
Substance abuse includes alcohol as well. So, for me, the "alcohol is as bad or worse" argument is irrelevent.
Also, for those who cannot enjoy a relaxing evening without using external substances that would be the definition of using a crutch.
i, for one, am not saying i can't enjoy an evening without it, but since i smoke for the medicinal value as well, i'm gonna enjoy the recreational value...:)
It's the hedonistic imperitive. If it doesn't bother others, who cares?
This thread is about the negative side of marijuana. Also, the ramifications of numbing one's humanity are great and far-reaching in terms of loss of potential, whether or not individuals are unconscious of how great or far-reaching the effects are. Such effects insidiously affect all of our relationships, including our relationship with ourselves and the environment.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
There are none for normal people. Only controlling busy-bodies that don't have a life and feel a need to make everyone else's life miserable care. When did we lose the ability and freedom to police ourselves? I miss that.
"I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
i, for one, am not saying i can't enjoy an evening without it, but since i smoke for the medicinal value as well, i'm gonna enjoy the recreational value...:)
I fully support everyone making their own choices and gauging where they are for themselves at each step of their own journeys. Only we can judge for ourselves. And only we are accountable for our own actions.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I fully support everyone making their own choices and gauging where they are for themselves at each step of their own journeys. Only we can judge for ourselves. And only we are accountable for our own actions.
This thread is about the negative side of marijuana. Also, the ramifications of numbing one's humanity are great and far-reaching in terms of loss of potential, whether or not individuals are unconscious of how great or far-reaching the effects are. Such effects insidiously affect all of our relationships, including our relationship with ourselves and the environment.
negative side of marijuana. The person who started this thread (Derrick, I believe), was asking to be reminded of the negative aspects of pot. Reading all the posts, Angelica, you seem to be the only one willing to remind us of them.
I'm not sure if you've read my posts.......but I've been around the block with all kinds of questionable behaviours in my life! Never once at any time were my choices good or bad except in terms of how they affected me and others. No matter how "sick" or dysfunctional I have been, the most important thing was that I was able to be centered and listen to the feedback in my own life and learn for myself. That's what it's all about. And no matter what I've done, or what kinds of consequences I've gotten for my actions, the most important key was being able to listen to my own self nonjudgmentally. And to accept each and every aspect of myself, knowing I'm not perfect (which is still the case) and to trust my process, knowing it's about progress and not perfection. I support the same for others.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
negative side of marijuana. The person who started this thread (Derrick, I believe), was asking to be reminded of the negative aspects of pot. Reading all the posts, Angelica, you seem to be the only one willing to remind us of them.
I will gladly post information on the negative aspects of substance abuse. I think it's important for people to make informed decisions. This goes especially in terms of substance abuses where a key issue is denial, and hiding from one's self the consequences of such substance abuse.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I sincerely wish you the best in your recovery and applaud you for being dry.
I also sincerely wish that those of us who don't wish to be on the same boat don't get preached to when we're doing our own thing whilst still staying afloat.
I'm not sure if you've read my posts.......but I've been around the block with all kinds of questionable behaviours in my life! Never once at any time were my choices good or bad except in terms of how they affected me and others. No matter how "sick" or dysfunctional I have been, the most important thing was that I was able to be centered and listen to the feedback in my own life and learn for myself. That's what it's all about. And no matter what I've done, or what kinds of consequences I've gotten for my actions, the most important key was being able to listen to my own self nonjudgmentally. And to accept each and every aspect of myself, knowing I'm not perfect (which is still the case) and to trust my process, knowing it's about progress and not perfection. I support the same for others.
no i knew all this.....i just misread your posts in this thread.....which is why i commented....i think it has something to do with the pit's newest poster....i think that poster's extreme, closeminded attitude has colored my world somewhat......;)
I sincerely wish you the best in your recovery and applaud you for being dry.
I also sincerely wish that those of us who don't wish to be on the same boat don't get preached to when we're doing our own thing.
With respect,
Bu
On a message board, we're going to hear all kinds of views/opinions/information. I'm confident that we fellow message boarders are able to handle that.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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Short term memory loss..
It stinks. I don't have a moral objection to people smoking dope, but man that shit stinks!!! Nearly makes me throw up.
Dude, I've been walking around the office all day doing the Guinness guys' shtick because of you.
Here's a great old WWII era advert called "Hemp For Victory":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne9UF-pFhJY
Brilliant!
-The Duke
I fully agree the work ethic is over-rated. I'm talking about something very different. I'm talking about humans hurting themselves by stifling their inner pain and traumas which is what substance abuse is about. When we compare the reality of stifling human potential in order to paralyze human potential, compared to resolving problems, healing and progressing, it's pretty clear where self-sabotage of maladaptive choice falls of the scale. One perpetuates their dysfunctional cycles. One cannot solve their problems with substance abuse, any more than one can solve being hungry with watching TV. And it affects all the people around the substance abuser in far-reaching ways.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
There are some potentially good effects. For example, if a person is afflicted with ADHD it may prove that THC works better than Ritalin to mitigate the affects of ADHD.
What Angelica is saying, is fine, if the problems are merely psychological. Otherwise, the difference between THC and Tylenol is in the details.
I think booze is not necessarily exempt from that scenario.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
weed....not addictive...has strong (legitimate) medicinal value...100% illegal...
cigarettes...more addictive than heroin...zero beneficial qualities...100% legal...
government and politicians...sometimes beneficial ....100% assholes...
Makes want to light up a nice tar filled cancer puff...mmm...extra stinky...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Um... I have a greater article on the problems of folk psychology and why reduction to neuroscience provides a much greater understanding of so-called "psychological problems". Perhaps you'd be interested in reading it. But never-the-less, I did say that habituation is a problem, however, that is a moot point when the drug is being used for medicinal purposes where another drug with equal habituating side-effects will occur in it's place.
The key is in releasing/solving the actual causes to problems, thusly problem solving. I would still be taking numerous psychiatric medications if I was interested in continuing to mask symptoms. Instead, I chose healing and recovery, and I practice prevention as well.
Maladaptation, like taking medication, suits a very distinct purpose of adaptation, which is why we continue to use such methods to cope with our problems. Maladaptation is easily recognized by the fallout it contains. Whereas actual adaptation is recognized by the clarity and resolution of fallout. Unfortunately, with the general state of our evolution at this time, it's the social norm in the western world to mask symptoms and deny, cut out and demonize them. To our own detriment as a people. We don't accept them, learn from them and resolve them on the whole.
As we gradually awaken and recognize that we are accepting, creating, and coping with issues that lead to our illnesses, disorders and imbalances, we'll begin to seek to not cope with our problems, but to resolve them. We will then experience nearly unimaginable health, vitality and energy, right up into our old age, and to death.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
In my younger days, I knew people who got baked everyday, and some of them you could definitely tell, even later in life, they had/have that "burnout" personality... other people you would never know they smoked at all.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
To add to that. While it's illegal there is no regulation on the THC content. In Australia the 'hydro' has taken over and the THC content of this stuff is 20 times the amount that the old outdoor crops used to have. Smoke too much in one sitting and you'll achieve a whole new level of 'veging out'
The adult pot smoker who either grows or buys for recreational, at-home use, in my opinion does no harm to anyone, as long as he or she doesn't get behind the wheel and try to drive on the freeway.
The benefits of medicinal marijuana have already been proven and some states already allow it.
Speaking as a pot smoker and beer drinker, I can honestly say the beer does me more harm than the pot does.
As far as Angelica's argument is concerned - it's a good argument when discussing people who have need of a crutch. For those who enjoy a nice relaxing evening at home with their loved one and the cats, I'd rather have my illegal pot than my legal Coors Light any night.
umm, memory loss !!
Am I the only one who got this ???
Really ??
Also, for those who cannot enjoy a relaxing evening without using external substances that would be the definition of using a crutch.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I am happy with my crutches, and hope to wear them well.
To each his own, chica.
It's the hedonistic imperitive. If it doesn't bother others, who cares?
thank you bu.......i've tried all day to present my feelings and this sumed it up nicely.......and since i'm posting.....:o
i, for one, am not saying i can't enjoy an evening without it, but since i smoke for the medicinal value as well, i'm gonna enjoy the recreational value...:)
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
phew.....ya kinda had me worried there....;)
negative side of marijuana. The person who started this thread (Derrick, I believe), was asking to be reminded of the negative aspects of pot. Reading all the posts, Angelica, you seem to be the only one willing to remind us of them.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I also sincerely wish that those of us who don't wish to be on the same boat don't get preached to when we're doing our own thing whilst still staying afloat.
With respect,
Bu
no i knew all this.....i just misread your posts in this thread.....which is why i commented....i think it has something to do with the pit's newest poster....i think that poster's extreme, closeminded attitude has colored my world somewhat......;)
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!