will this guy still go to heaven?

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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    dunkman wrote:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/7596168.stm

    he's a vicar with over 55,000 pics of children. now obviously he is a sexual deviant of the worst kind... but he also believes in god... am i right in saying that he goes to heaven under the whole belief in god loophole that most death-row prisoners try?
    ummm.... wasn't he suspended from the church and positions and all?

    do i believe that love is big enough to forgive even the most heinious crime... including unbelief in God? yes, i do.

    point is... what's it to anyone about what happens in someone else's afterlife? the important thing is the dude is paying for his crimes... it's what believers and unbelievers can agree on.

    my bet is his convictions in God weren't very "strong", if you will... and i'm also guessing he's not "right with God" and he's most likely not going to heaven. if he is going to heaven than that would mean that he's done away with all of his perversions... as in 100% complete and clean.... without "blemish"... that requires a strong amount of faith, which most people now these days, even christians do not have, as obviously this dude didn't have any.

    there's that scripture that says, "blessed is the man who walks not in the counsil of the ungodly nor stands in the way of sinners nor sits in the seat of the scornful but his delight is in the law of the Lord and in his law does he meditate day and night."

    i highly and even most highly than the pope himself, believe that this dude didn't meditate in the law of the Lord regularly. ;)
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    We shouldn't blame or credit God for that. It is chance... probability and outcome. If you place yourself in potentially dangerous situations, there is a greater probability that you will experience danger.
    Con men getting away with stuff has nothing to do with God. They are simply men who can recognize human weaknesses and pery on them and have no remorse.. for whatever reasons.
    ...
    We just WANT God to exist so they don't get away with it. We want God to exist so O.J. doesn't get away with it.
    Truth is... there's a chance that O.J. will get away with it. And it is beyond our control.
    i dont' want god to exist... i need god to exist.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    acsdata wrote:
    Satan believes in God and Jesus, so just believing doesn't matter.
    hahaha
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    ummm.... wasn't he suspended from the church and positions and all?


    ummmmmm... . yes.

    and that makes a difference how?
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    know1 wrote:
    Is forgiveness a bad thing....whether it's in regard to people or in reconciliation to God?

    I guess if you all want to harbor resentment against the guy for eternity, that's your prerogative.

    And yes - I believe the answer is that if the person repents of their sins, God forgives them. It's not up to you and I to determine that.


    So everything is forgivable, except not believing?

    Or is it, everything is forgivable is you repent your sins?

    Is not believing a sin?

    This should be good.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    acsdata wrote:
    Satan believes in God and Jesus, so just believing doesn't matter.


    You say that as if it is fact.

    Have you spoken to Satan, lately? Did he tell you he believes in Jesus and God?

    Has God materialized in your bedroom and sat down for a little chit-chat with you, lately?

    Please do tell.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    catefrances wrote:
    not true. suicide is unforgiveable as well. you cant ask forgiveness for killing yourself. not that i would ask... but apparently thems the rules.

    Says who?

    God told you this?
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    writersu wrote:
    God protects the weak and the young I have been taught.

    I see no evidence of any of that in the real world. Would be nice. But the weak and young are vicitimized every single day and God is no where to be found in their protection.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Forgiveness is devine.. I am all for it. It is condemning the whos who in muslim humanitarian efforts to an eternity of suffering that is bad.

    If you believe Jesus would send all muslims to hell for not worshiping him.. then Jesus is a fucking ass hole.


    People don't condemn people to an eternity of suffering.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    NMyTree wrote:
    So everything is forgivable, except not believing?

    Or is it, everything is forgivable is you repent your sins?

    Is not believing a sin?

    This should be good.


    I believe everything is forgivable except not believing.

    But you didn't answer my question: Why not forgive? Is it better to forgive or to harbor resentment and feelings of revenge?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    know1 wrote:
    I believe everything is forgivable except not believing.

    But you didn't answer my question: Why not forgive? Is it better to forgive or to harbor resentment and feelings of revenge?


    sounds like a total egomaniac then...

    man: but i saved 14 puppies from a fire, donated all my body parts to help cure cancer, received 11 nobel peace prizes, gave away all my clothes to homeless people, taught all of africa what a fucking condom is!!! so can i get in?

    god: no...

    man: why not???

    god. you didnt believe in ME!!!! oh hi Adolf... 3rd door on the right... see you at the barbecue later.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    dunkman wrote:
    sounds like a total egomaniac then...

    man: but i saved 14 puppies from a fire, donated all my body parts to help cure cancer, received 11 nobel peace prizes, gave away all my clothes to homeless people, taught all of africa what a fucking condom is!!! so can i get in?

    god: no...

    man: why not???

    god. you didnt believe in ME!!!! oh hi Adolf... 3rd door on the right... see you at the barbecue later.

    An egomaniac to me is somebody who thinks that God is explainable (maybe even controllable) by our own human knowledge, logic and reasoning.

    In other words, someone who thinks that the creator of everything should be able to be totally understood or must be a farce.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    dunkman wrote:
    sounds like a total egomaniac then...

    man: but i saved 14 puppies from a fire, donated all my body parts to help cure cancer, received 11 nobel peace prizes, gave away all my clothes to homeless people, taught all of africa what a fucking condom is!!! so can i get in?

    god: no...

    man: why not???

    god. you didnt believe in ME!!!! oh hi Adolf... 3rd door on the right... see you at the barbecue later.

    how come every debate about is someone saved always turns to Adolf, and his seemingly perfect lock on being in heaven?? It seems the only person who anyone really believes is in heaven is Hitler. Nevermind the verse in Matthew that says there will be many who say they know God, but really don't.
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    know1 wrote:
    An egomaniac to me is somebody who thinks that God is explainable (maybe even controllable) by our own human knowledge, logic and reasoning.

    In other words, someone who thinks that the creator of everything should be able to be totally understood or must be a farce.

    egomaniac: A person obsessed with their own (supposed) importance.

    so saying you must believe in me.. kinda fits the criteria.

    what you described didnt.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    chopitdown wrote:
    how come every debate about is someone saved always turns to Adolf, and his seemingly perfect lock on being in heaven?? It seems the only person who anyone really believes is in heaven is Hitler. Nevermind the verse in Matthew that says there will be many who say they know God, but really don't.


    its for comic value as i couldnt think of another genocidal maniac whose first name is instantly recognised.... i mean i could have put some hillybilly who shot a black man in the name of the Klan but it doesnt have the same clout.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Julien
    Julien Posts: 2,457
    Why do everybody speak about god all the time ?
    Why has god to do with the fact that this guy is a motherfucker ?
    Do you all believe there's a god who decides whetehr you go in heaven or in hell ?
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    Julien wrote:
    1. Why do everybody speak about god all the time ?
    2. Why has god to do with the fact that this guy is a motherfucker ?
    3. Do you all believe there's a god who decides whetehr you go in heaven or in hell ?


    1. makes a change from Ames or Klausen posters
    2. well he was a member of the Church dude... doesnt that strike you as kinda weird? plus he was a childfucker not a motherfucker
    3. no... but others do.. and those people believe that god will put people into hell if they dont believe in him... even Ghandi
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    know1 wrote:
    I believe everything is forgivable except not believing.

    But you didn't answer my question: Why not forgive? Is it better to forgive or to harbor resentment and feelings of revenge?

    Oh, I believe it's always better to forgive. Harboring resentment and animosity just festers more hate and tears one apart. Your're not being true to yourself and allowing yourself to be the best you can be, if you're harboring hate and resentment.


    So YOU believe everything is forgivable except not believing. So you think that's the way God operates, right?
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    know1 wrote:
    I believe everything is forgivable except not believing.

    But you didn't answer my question: Why not forgive? Is it better to forgive or to harbor resentment and feelings of revenge?


    ok then... why doesnt god forgive those who didnt believe in him?


    surely he's just building up resentment and hatred for not just one person... but many millions...
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    dunkman wrote:
    egomaniac: A person obsessed with their own (supposed) importance.

    so saying you must believe in me.. kinda fits the criteria.

    what you described didnt.

    No - what I'm saying is you think your own personal knowledge, experience, reasoning, etc., is so advanced that you think you can explain away God based on what you know. In other words, you're equating or putting yourself above God.

    That fits the definition of an egomania precisely.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.

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