I don't think there is a heaven or hell, so I don't think he's going to do anything but die and rot like the rest of us. But, in the meantime, he might have some serious remorse, if he has any conscience at all.
He won't go to heaven because i don't think heaven exists.
I don’t believe in god because nobody has proven his existence.
When i was little i believed, because it seemed to be the safest path. I was raised Catholic and and looked at it this way..
If you believe in god and he exists, you get to go to heaven.
If you believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.
If you don’t believe in god and he exists, you go to hell.
If you don’t believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.
God protects the weak and the young I have been taught.
I respect your views but don't agree. If, your god is real, how does he choose who to protect? Some kids live. Some die. What's the criteria you have to meet to be 'worthy' of being saved.
He won't go to heaven because i don't think heaven exists.
I don’t believe in god because nobody has proven his existence.
When i was little i believed, because it seemed to be the safest path. I was raised Catholic and and looked at it this way..
If you believe in god and he exists, you get to go to heaven.
If you believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.
If you don’t believe in god and he exists, you go to hell.
If you don’t believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.
I respect your views but don't agree. If, your god is real, how does he choose who to protect? Some kids live. Some die. What's the criteria you have to meet to be 'worthy' of being saved.
OK so all kinds of people get what they don't deserve; beleivers and non beleivers. But what I mean is that those who hurt innocent people will get judged for their behavior.
I will never understand why some things happen to people. That is where my faith is tested time and time again. And sometimes it doesn't pass the test.
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He won't go to heaven because i don't think heaven exists.
I don’t believe in god because nobody has proven his existence.
When i was little i believed, because it seemed to be the safest path. I was raised Catholic and and looked at it this way..
If you believe in god and he exists, you get to go to heaven.
If you believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.
If you don’t believe in god and he exists, you go to hell.
If you don’t believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.
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I heard this decades ago when I was going to Bible study as a teen and saw the hypocracy of the Church, it's leaders and it's followers.
This logic tried to convince me it is in my best interests to Believe in God (Jesus)... JUST IN CASE He exists.
I said, I'm sorry... I can't believe as a Cover My Ass contingency. And if you are the type who would believe, 'Just in Case'... what does that tell me about you? What does it tell you about yourself.
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Hail, Hail!!!
OK so all kinds of people get what they don't deserve; beleivers and non beleivers. But what I mean is that those who hurt innocent people will get judged for their behavior.
I will never understand why some things happen to people. That is where my faith is tested time and time again. And sometimes it doesn't pass the test.
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We shouldn't blame or credit God for that. It is chance... probability and outcome. If you place yourself in potentially dangerous situations, there is a greater probability that you will experience danger.
Con men getting away with stuff has nothing to do with God. They are simply men who can recognize human weaknesses and pery on them and have no remorse.. for whatever reasons.
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We just WANT God to exist so they don't get away with it. We want God to exist so O.J. doesn't get away with it.
Truth is... there's a chance that O.J. will get away with it. And it is beyond our control.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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I heard this decades ago when I was going to Bible study as a teen and saw the hypocracy of the Church, it's leaders and it's followers.
This logic tried to convince me it is in my best interests to Believe in God (Jesus)... JUST IN CASE He exists.
I said, I'm sorry... I can't believe as a Cover My Ass contingency. And if you are the type who would believe, 'Just in Case'... what does that tell me about you? What does it tell you about yourself.
It's ok cosmo, i already said i don't believe anymore. (not sure if that last comment was directed at me or not sorry) I was just a little kid, wanting to please my parents. I was innocent, hadn't been exposed to things that made me question faith and i absolutely believed pretty much anything a grown up told me. As you do.
It's ok cosmo, i already said i don't believe anymore. (not sure if that last comment was directed at me or not sorry) I was just a little kid, wanting to please my parents. I was innocent, hadn't been exposed to things that made me question faith and i absolutely believed pretty much anything a grown up told me. As you do.
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Sorry. No, it was not directed at you.
It was said to those people who tried that voodoo logic on me as a teen.
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Hail, Hail!!!
as to the subject at hand, i find it interesting the violence and hatred in here. i've noticed something in movies and tv and books these days. we've become totally desensitized. murderers, fraud, whatever. it doesn't scare us anymore and it doesn't disgust us and there is a mountain of excuses and rationalizations for all of them. crimes against children is all that's left. think about this next time you pick up a thriller about a serial killer or watch a tv show or movie about someone who is supposed to be some embodiment of evil. 9 times out of 10, they'll throw child abuse in there, because nothing else shocks us anymore. it's the last bastion.
not saying this guy doesn't deserve it, just saying there's something wrong with a culture that treats ted bundy as a celebrity and wears t-shirts for him and will only muster moral outrage when it's something like this involved.
Aint that the truth. Please stay, I like your posts.
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21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
he's a vicar with over 55,000 pics of children. now obviously he is a sexual deviant of the worst kind... but he also believes in god... am i right in saying that he goes to heaven under the whole belief in god loophole that most death-row prisoners try?
ummm.... wasn't he suspended from the church and positions and all?
do i believe that love is big enough to forgive even the most heinious crime... including unbelief in God? yes, i do.
point is... what's it to anyone about what happens in someone else's afterlife? the important thing is the dude is paying for his crimes... it's what believers and unbelievers can agree on.
my bet is his convictions in God weren't very "strong", if you will... and i'm also guessing he's not "right with God" and he's most likely not going to heaven. if he is going to heaven than that would mean that he's done away with all of his perversions... as in 100% complete and clean.... without "blemish"... that requires a strong amount of faith, which most people now these days, even christians do not have, as obviously this dude didn't have any.
there's that scripture that says, "blessed is the man who walks not in the counsil of the ungodly nor stands in the way of sinners nor sits in the seat of the scornful but his delight is in the law of the Lord and in his law does he meditate day and night."
i highly and even most highly than the pope himself, believe that this dude didn't meditate in the law of the Lord regularly.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
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We shouldn't blame or credit God for that. It is chance... probability and outcome. If you place yourself in potentially dangerous situations, there is a greater probability that you will experience danger.
Con men getting away with stuff has nothing to do with God. They are simply men who can recognize human weaknesses and pery on them and have no remorse.. for whatever reasons.
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We just WANT God to exist so they don't get away with it. We want God to exist so O.J. doesn't get away with it.
Truth is... there's a chance that O.J. will get away with it. And it is beyond our control.
i dont' want god to exist... i need god to exist.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
ummm.... wasn't he suspended from the church and positions and all?
ummmmmm... . yes.
and that makes a difference how?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
God protects the weak and the young I have been taught.
I see no evidence of any of that in the real world. Would be nice. But the weak and young are vicitimized every single day and God is no where to be found in their protection.
I believe everything is forgivable except not believing.
But you didn't answer my question: Why not forgive? Is it better to forgive or to harbor resentment and feelings of revenge?
sounds like a total egomaniac then...
man: but i saved 14 puppies from a fire, donated all my body parts to help cure cancer, received 11 nobel peace prizes, gave away all my clothes to homeless people, taught all of africa what a fucking condom is!!! so can i get in?
god: no...
man: why not???
god. you didnt believe in ME!!!! oh hi Adolf... 3rd door on the right... see you at the barbecue later.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
man: but i saved 14 puppies from a fire, donated all my body parts to help cure cancer, received 11 nobel peace prizes, gave away all my clothes to homeless people, taught all of africa what a fucking condom is!!! so can i get in?
god: no...
man: why not???
god. you didnt believe in ME!!!! oh hi Adolf... 3rd door on the right... see you at the barbecue later.
An egomaniac to me is somebody who thinks that God is explainable (maybe even controllable) by our own human knowledge, logic and reasoning.
In other words, someone who thinks that the creator of everything should be able to be totally understood or must be a farce.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
man: but i saved 14 puppies from a fire, donated all my body parts to help cure cancer, received 11 nobel peace prizes, gave away all my clothes to homeless people, taught all of africa what a fucking condom is!!! so can i get in?
god: no...
man: why not???
god. you didnt believe in ME!!!! oh hi Adolf... 3rd door on the right... see you at the barbecue later.
how come every debate about is someone saved always turns to Adolf, and his seemingly perfect lock on being in heaven?? It seems the only person who anyone really believes is in heaven is Hitler. Nevermind the verse in Matthew that says there will be many who say they know God, but really don't.
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An egomaniac to me is somebody who thinks that God is explainable (maybe even controllable) by our own human knowledge, logic and reasoning.
In other words, someone who thinks that the creator of everything should be able to be totally understood or must be a farce.
egomaniac: A person obsessed with their own (supposed) importance.
so saying you must believe in me.. kinda fits the criteria.
what you described didnt.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
how come every debate about is someone saved always turns to Adolf, and his seemingly perfect lock on being in heaven?? It seems the only person who anyone really believes is in heaven is Hitler. Nevermind the verse in Matthew that says there will be many who say they know God, but really don't.
its for comic value as i couldnt think of another genocidal maniac whose first name is instantly recognised.... i mean i could have put some hillybilly who shot a black man in the name of the Klan but it doesnt have the same clout.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Why do everybody speak about god all the time ?
Why has god to do with the fact that this guy is a motherfucker ?
Do you all believe there's a god who decides whetehr you go in heaven or in hell ?
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1. Why do everybody speak about god all the time ?
2. Why has god to do with the fact that this guy is a motherfucker ?
3. Do you all believe there's a god who decides whetehr you go in heaven or in hell ?
1. makes a change from Ames or Klausen posters
2. well he was a member of the Church dude... doesnt that strike you as kinda weird? plus he was a childfucker not a motherfucker
3. no... but others do.. and those people believe that god will put people into hell if they dont believe in him... even Ghandi
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I believe everything is forgivable except not believing.
But you didn't answer my question: Why not forgive? Is it better to forgive or to harbor resentment and feelings of revenge?
Oh, I believe it's always better to forgive. Harboring resentment and animosity just festers more hate and tears one apart. Your're not being true to yourself and allowing yourself to be the best you can be, if you're harboring hate and resentment.
So YOU believe everything is forgivable except not believing. So you think that's the way God operates, right?
I believe everything is forgivable except not believing.
But you didn't answer my question: Why not forgive? Is it better to forgive or to harbor resentment and feelings of revenge?
ok then... why doesnt god forgive those who didnt believe in him?
surely he's just building up resentment and hatred for not just one person... but many millions...
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
egomaniac: A person obsessed with their own (supposed) importance.
so saying you must believe in me.. kinda fits the criteria.
what you described didnt.
No - what I'm saying is you think your own personal knowledge, experience, reasoning, etc., is so advanced that you think you can explain away God based on what you know. In other words, you're equating or putting yourself above God.
That fits the definition of an egomania precisely.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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I don’t believe in god because nobody has proven his existence.
When i was little i believed, because it seemed to be the safest path. I was raised Catholic and and looked at it this way..
If you believe in god and he exists, you get to go to heaven.
If you believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.
If you don’t believe in god and he exists, you go to hell.
If you don’t believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.
I respect your views but don't agree. If, your god is real, how does he choose who to protect? Some kids live. Some die. What's the criteria you have to meet to be 'worthy' of being saved.
OK so all kinds of people get what they don't deserve; beleivers and non beleivers. But what I mean is that those who hurt innocent people will get judged for their behavior.
I will never understand why some things happen to people. That is where my faith is tested time and time again. And sometimes it doesn't pass the test.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
I heard this decades ago when I was going to Bible study as a teen and saw the hypocracy of the Church, it's leaders and it's followers.
This logic tried to convince me it is in my best interests to Believe in God (Jesus)... JUST IN CASE He exists.
I said, I'm sorry... I can't believe as a Cover My Ass contingency. And if you are the type who would believe, 'Just in Case'... what does that tell me about you? What does it tell you about yourself.
Hail, Hail!!!
We shouldn't blame or credit God for that. It is chance... probability and outcome. If you place yourself in potentially dangerous situations, there is a greater probability that you will experience danger.
Con men getting away with stuff has nothing to do with God. They are simply men who can recognize human weaknesses and pery on them and have no remorse.. for whatever reasons.
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We just WANT God to exist so they don't get away with it. We want God to exist so O.J. doesn't get away with it.
Truth is... there's a chance that O.J. will get away with it. And it is beyond our control.
Hail, Hail!!!
not true. suicide is unforgiveable as well. you cant ask forgiveness for killing yourself. not that i would ask... but apparently thems the rules.
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Sorry. No, it was not directed at you.
It was said to those people who tried that voodoo logic on me as a teen.
Hail, Hail!!!
That is all..
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do i believe that love is big enough to forgive even the most heinious crime... including unbelief in God? yes, i do.
point is... what's it to anyone about what happens in someone else's afterlife? the important thing is the dude is paying for his crimes... it's what believers and unbelievers can agree on.
my bet is his convictions in God weren't very "strong", if you will... and i'm also guessing he's not "right with God" and he's most likely not going to heaven. if he is going to heaven than that would mean that he's done away with all of his perversions... as in 100% complete and clean.... without "blemish"... that requires a strong amount of faith, which most people now these days, even christians do not have, as obviously this dude didn't have any.
there's that scripture that says, "blessed is the man who walks not in the counsil of the ungodly nor stands in the way of sinners nor sits in the seat of the scornful but his delight is in the law of the Lord and in his law does he meditate day and night."
i highly and even most highly than the pope himself, believe that this dude didn't meditate in the law of the Lord regularly.
ummmmmm... . yes.
and that makes a difference how?
So everything is forgivable, except not believing?
Or is it, everything is forgivable is you repent your sins?
Is not believing a sin?
This should be good.
You say that as if it is fact.
Have you spoken to Satan, lately? Did he tell you he believes in Jesus and God?
Has God materialized in your bedroom and sat down for a little chit-chat with you, lately?
Please do tell.
Says who?
God told you this?
I see no evidence of any of that in the real world. Would be nice. But the weak and young are vicitimized every single day and God is no where to be found in their protection.
People don't condemn people to an eternity of suffering.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I believe everything is forgivable except not believing.
But you didn't answer my question: Why not forgive? Is it better to forgive or to harbor resentment and feelings of revenge?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
sounds like a total egomaniac then...
man: but i saved 14 puppies from a fire, donated all my body parts to help cure cancer, received 11 nobel peace prizes, gave away all my clothes to homeless people, taught all of africa what a fucking condom is!!! so can i get in?
god: no...
man: why not???
god. you didnt believe in ME!!!! oh hi Adolf... 3rd door on the right... see you at the barbecue later.
An egomaniac to me is somebody who thinks that God is explainable (maybe even controllable) by our own human knowledge, logic and reasoning.
In other words, someone who thinks that the creator of everything should be able to be totally understood or must be a farce.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
how come every debate about is someone saved always turns to Adolf, and his seemingly perfect lock on being in heaven?? It seems the only person who anyone really believes is in heaven is Hitler. Nevermind the verse in Matthew that says there will be many who say they know God, but really don't.
egomaniac: A person obsessed with their own (supposed) importance.
so saying you must believe in me.. kinda fits the criteria.
what you described didnt.
its for comic value as i couldnt think of another genocidal maniac whose first name is instantly recognised.... i mean i could have put some hillybilly who shot a black man in the name of the Klan but it doesnt have the same clout.
Why has god to do with the fact that this guy is a motherfucker ?
Do you all believe there's a god who decides whetehr you go in heaven or in hell ?
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1. makes a change from Ames or Klausen posters
2. well he was a member of the Church dude... doesnt that strike you as kinda weird? plus he was a childfucker not a motherfucker
3. no... but others do.. and those people believe that god will put people into hell if they dont believe in him... even Ghandi
Oh, I believe it's always better to forgive. Harboring resentment and animosity just festers more hate and tears one apart. Your're not being true to yourself and allowing yourself to be the best you can be, if you're harboring hate and resentment.
So YOU believe everything is forgivable except not believing. So you think that's the way God operates, right?
ok then... why doesnt god forgive those who didnt believe in him?
surely he's just building up resentment and hatred for not just one person... but many millions...
No - what I'm saying is you think your own personal knowledge, experience, reasoning, etc., is so advanced that you think you can explain away God based on what you know. In other words, you're equating or putting yourself above God.
That fits the definition of an egomania precisely.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.