family sue school over brokeback movie...

moeaholic · May 2007

cincybearcat wrote:

I honestly believe people only like that movie because they don't want to appear to hate homosexual men.

Movie sucked. I was surprised just hwo bad it sucked. It had a few decent moments, but overall it just sucked really, really bad.

i watched this movie with my wife and about halfway through it i turned to her and said "how the fuck can this be nominated for best picture?" i didn't like it at all, not because of two guys fucking but because i thought it was a boring ass movie.

hippiemom wrote:

I was on a bus that was in an accident once, and I was approached by an attorney telling me I could make a pile of money. Since my only injury was a scraped knee and a ruined pair of pantyhose, I told the attorney that suing them for more than $8 would be theft.

It's quite possible to tell an attorney to go away.

yes, i'm aware you can tell an attorney to go fuck him/herself. but if this family is dirt poor (or trailertrash as some have put it here), then the allure of "easy money" is tough to look past. don't get me wrong, i think the best thing would have been the parents talking to the school board to have some sort of disciplinary action against the teacher and not go crazy and sue for a shitload of money. all i wanted to know was why someone was making an assumption that because the family is suing, it was their idea from the get-go and that seed wasn't planted by an ambulance chaser, you know?

IlovveePJ · May 2007

So how was the movie relevant to a 12 yr old??

Abookamongstthemany · May 2007

cincybearcat wrote:

I honestly believe people only like that movie because they don't want to appear to hate homosexual men.

Movie sucked. I was surprised just hwo bad it sucked. It had a few decent moments, but overall it just sucked really, really bad.

I didn't care for it either. I was excited to see given all the hype from people I usually agree with but it was a let down. I will give it props for boldness but it could have been written so much better.

hippiemom · May 2007

moeaholic wrote:

yes, i'm aware you can tell an attorney to go fuck him/herself. but if this family is dirt poor (or trailertrash as some have put it here), then the allure of "easy money" is tough to look past. don't get me wrong, i think the best thing would have been the parents talking to the school board to have some sort of disciplinary action against the teacher and not go crazy and sue for a shitload of money. all i wanted to know was why someone was making an assumption that because the family is suing, it was their idea from the get-go and that seed wasn't planted by an ambulance chaser, you know?

When I was in the bus accident, I was a single mom getting her heat shut off from time to time. I don't care who plants the seeds, the lawyers can't sue all by themselves. The parents are responsible for what they're doing. I doubt they truly think it's going to require $400,000 in psychological care to heal their poor little girl. If they win, I hope it's mandated in the settlement that all of the money be spent on the daughter's mental health care.

I can honestly say I wasn't even tempted. I would have been too embarrassed to walk into a courtroom and demand money.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · May 2007

You know what...I'm going to watch it now. I'll post back here on my plot analysis...however might take about a week for me to get around to it though.

If anyone wants to PM me a reminder, or bump the thread that will suffice.

you can even quiz me on particulars as a test to make sure...

I will not light any incense, get a tipsy on red wine and crackers, or wear leather chaps to get in the mood beforehand.

I may invite and spoon with my neighbor on the couch a little though....he is rather rugged, lean, and boyish looking.

btw...if it's shit...I'm not holding back, and I will hold you all personally accountable until my memory of it eventually fades...

norm · May 2007

anyone think the mother of this child is this woman....:D:D:D

lucylespian · May 2007

hippiemom wrote:

I didn't see it for a long time after it came out, not because of the gayness, but because of the cowboyness. I've never liked cowboy movies.

Eventually, I heard enough about how good it was that I decided to rent it, and I'm glad I did. It really was a very well-made movie, I enjoyed it a lot. I'd recommend it to anyone who isn't homophobic.

Why would I ned to be homophobic to not want to watch this movie.

As to teh emotional damage, I am sure the court case will provide planty of that, and forever this child will need to be damagaed to justify teh payoiut.
STupid parents, if they really cared for their child's well-being, they would make they point without making their child a spectacle.

I agree the teacher was pretty foolish to show this movie to kids that age without parental consent.

I like teh "wrongful imprisonment", geez, the number of times I did not want to be in class. Will be a pretty dumb precedent if that one carries. How stupid is the lawyer who came up with that shit anyhow ??

bootlegger10 · May 2007

While I am not a huge fan of suing people, I am glad that the parents are suing (I do think there should be penalties for the school system and teacher, but I don't think the parents or child should benefit monetarily). It brings to light the agenda by some to push their views on children. There was no reason to show Brokeback Mountain in school other than to push the homosexual agenda. Should a twelve year-old be thinking about and seeing how two homosexual men have sex? I don't think so. When I and our parents went to school, we learned about history, math, english, and science, not sexual orientation (especially when we were 12). And even still, Brokeback is not appropriate.

bgivens33 · May 2007

That was an IDIOTIC move on the teachers part. Not sure how he/she though this was a good idea. Regardless of ones view on homosexuality it should be left up to the parents to decided when to teach their kid about it.(especially at 12, and outside of a sex-ed class) Now, on the flip side I can only imagine the kid haphazardly told the parents about it, and the parents saw the opportunity for money immediately. I don't necessarily think this is about the child's wellbeing. I could be wrong, but that seems unlikely.

lucylespian · May 2007

bootlegger10 wrote:

While I am not a huge fan of suing people, I am glad that the parents are suing (I do think there should be penalties for the school system and teacher, but I don't think the parents or child should benefit monetarily). It brings to light the agenda by some to push their views on children. There was no reason to show Brokeback Mountain in school other than to push the homosexual agenda. Should a twelve year-old be thinking about and seeing how two homosexual men have sex? I don't think so. When I and our parents went to school, we learned about history, math, english, and science, not sexual orientation (especially when we were 12). And even still, Brokeback is not appropriate.

Why would a female teacher want to push male homosexuality ??

OK, suppose she is a lesbian, I suppose she might want to open kids to acceptance of that, but this would be a peculiar choice. Maybe she just had it in her bag doing a return maybe, and showed it out of laziness ??

I would be interested to hear her side of the story.

NMyTree · May 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Back peddle? When have I changed my stance? where? So what are you saying about my "views" then.

What would you call me then? The last sentence was another poke...I can smell it coming... I'm posting ahead of your line of thought.

Oh stop the sillieness. Sheesh!

If you had simply said that the movie's subject matter doesn't interest you, then there would be nothing left to talk about.

But instead, you tried to create parameters (based on your own personal perspective) that hetrosexual men should fit into, if they watch this movie:

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Going to see Brokeback is like renting gay porn...why would you if you're straight? Morbid fascination I suppose...or your woman dragged you to it...

It was your attempt to establish acceptable parameters which implied those who don't watch this movie for the reasons you stated, must then be homosexuals. And of course you also implied any man who would enjoy this movie, could not be hetrosexual.

Didn't mean to raid your homophobic closet. Honestly, I didn't. So feel free to return there and just........relax:D

Anon · May 2007

I've seen the movie and thought it was fairly boring actually. I watched it all but it was not that great. I just can't see why a 12 year old would need to watch that in any lesson at school. What was the teacher hoping to teach them? In Australia, parental consent is required for any movie that they watch that is rated higher than PG. I mean, your 12 year old kids can't go to the movies here, or hire a DVD from an outlet at Brokebacks rating, so why would it be ok to do so in school. It's against the law here.

That aside, it just astounds me to see how 'surprised' some people are that the parents are suing. With all repspect to the good people here, Americans do have a reputation for suing anything that they can. I don't mean to offend anyone here so please don't take this the wrong way, but i read that article and was not the least bit surprised. It didn't shock me at all. Money motivates people to do a lot of things unfortunately.

If you want to talk about ridiculous, an administrative law judge for the District of Columbia wants $65,000,000 to replace his lost pants. Wow. And he's a lawyer. Now that's what i call ludicrous.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/25/AR2007042502763.html

"Comic Book Guy: These “Bat Pants” have been shredded by the Riddler.
Dry Cleaner Clerk: No, just your ass.
Comic Book Guy: That’s what I call my ass."

RolandTD20Kdrummer · May 2007

NMyTree wrote:

Oh stop the sillieness. Sheesh!

If you had simply said that the movie's subject matter doesn't interest you, then there would be nothing left to talk about.

But instead, you tried to create parameters (based on your own personal perspective) that hetrosexual men should fit into, if they watch this movie:

It was your attempt to establish acceptable parameters which implied those who don't watch this movie for the reasons you stated, must then be homosexuals. And of course you also implied any man who would enjoy this movie, could not be hetrosexual.

Didn't mean to raid your homophobic closet. Honestly, I didn't. So feel free to return there and just........relax:D

The reality of it is subtle but it's definitely there, and you choose to completely ignore the obvious fact of it's existence in favor of calling me homophobic.

No (i.e extremely few...i.e. the VAST minority) of single/bachelor straight guys in the world is going to see this movie with his straight guy friends...or by himself for that matter. Let that tell you something.

so...boom..there it is...

was I reaching so far on this notion as to be fetched ? perhaps...to a point

spiral out · May 2007

bootlegger10 wrote:

While I am not a huge fan of suing people, I am glad that the parents are suing (I do think there should be penalties for the school system and teacher, but I don't think the parents or child should benefit monetarily). It brings to light the agenda by some to push their views on children. There was no reason to show Brokeback Mountain in school other than to push the homosexual agenda. Should a twelve year-old be thinking about and seeing how two homosexual men have sex? I don't think so. When I and our parents went to school, we learned about history, math, english, and science, not sexual orientation (especially when we were 12). And even still, Brokeback is not appropriate.

While i agree it was a dumb idea to show a bunch of twelve years olds this film, i can't see how being made aware of homosexuality is a bad thing it's a part of life (hell some of them will be homosexuals) it's not going to go away and children should be taught about it, just as they are taught about different religion's.

Igonrance just breed's ignorance and thats not benifical to anyone.

Do you not get taught sex education over there either?

NMyTree · May 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The reality of it is subtle but it's definitely there, and you choose to completely ignore the obvious fact of it's existence in favor of calling me homophobic.

No (i.e extremely few...i.e. the VAST minority) of single/bachelor straight guys in the world is going to see this movie with his straight guy friends...or by himself for that matter. Let that tell you something.

so...boom..there it is...

was I reaching so far on this notion as to be fetched ? perhaps...to a point

You may want to install an over-head light in that closet. Maybe decorate......a little:D

moeaholic · May 2007

hippiemom wrote:

When I was in the bus accident, I was a single mom getting her heat shut off from time to time. I don't care who plants the seeds, the lawyers can't sue all by themselves. The parents are responsible for what they're doing. I doubt they truly think it's going to require $400,000 in psychological care to heal their poor little girl. If they win, I hope it's mandated in the settlement that all of the money be spent on the daughter's mental health care.

I can honestly say I wasn't even tempted. I would have been too embarrassed to walk into a courtroom and demand money.

that's great hippiemom, it's nice to know some people have restraint. but all i'm trying to say here is why be quick to say these parents ran to a lawyer because they had dollar signs in their eyes? nobody here knows for sure if it happened that way or an attorney filled their head. that's all i'm saying. i'm not trying to justify greed, here.

NMyTree · May 2007

Okay, after cleaning out the closet and reorganizing it, now, let me get back to the original subject matter and issue at hand.

I really don't see why any teacher would show a movie in a classroom, in the first place. Not just this particular movie, but any movie. I don't believe classrooms/schools are an appropriate place for showing movies.

And no, I don't believe Brokeback Mountain should be shown to 12 year olds. If it was my kid, in his school; I'd be pissed off that they were showing movies instead of ....you know......." TEACHING! " I wouldn't be suing, but I'd sure have some things to say to the principle and teacher.

Of course there are exceptions and there are true educational films that are designed and created for educational purposes. But Brokeback Mountian isn't one of them. Neither is Star Wars .........or Die Hard ......or Finding Nemo .....or Lord Of The Rings.....or any other of these commercial/entertainment movies.

As for Brokeback Mountain, I liked the movie.

I didn't think it was some masterpiece work a of art, but I enjoyed the movie. I never buy into the reviews and hype of a movie and always try to keep myself at no expectations. See "The Blair Witch Project" for reference:rolleyes:

I know damn well that what other people consider "GREAT" or "CRAP", usually has very little to do with how I will like and percieve the movie.

One of the storylines I enjoyed in the movie was their relationships and lives with their wives and kids. Which I thought they could have done a better job with and dedicated more storyline/time to, but I found that interesting, nonetheless.

I thought Ennis Del Mar's struggles with himself ( his homosexuality ), with the realtionship with Jack and his wife......was also interesting. But again, I thought they could have done a better job with that.

One more thing.

Naming this guy "Jack Twist" was really gay. I don't mean gay as in homosexual, but gay as in .........lame:D

What, Oliver Twist was already taken?:D

NMyTree · May 2007

spiral out wrote:

While i agree it was a dumb idea to show a bunch of twelve years olds this film, i can't see how being made aware of homosexuality is a bad thing it's a part of life (hell some of them will be homosexuals) it's not going to go away and children should be taught about it, just as they are taught about different religion's.

Igonrance just breed's ignorance and thats not benifical to anyone.

Do you not get taught sex education over there either?

But do you think Brokeback Mountain is the appropriate or correct vehicle for teaching homosexuality, to 12 year olds?

I honsetly don't believe that movie is a proper educational tool for teaching the subject matter.

catefrances · May 2007

if my 12 year old was shown any movie without my express permission i'd be angry.

bootlegger10 · May 2007

lucylespian wrote:

Why would a female teacher want to push male homosexuality ??

There is no other reason for showing the movie.

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