Yeah, it's an R, I don't think I'd want my 12 year-old watching it. There's no full frontal nudity or anything, but it's pretty damn clear what's going on. Still, it shouldn't cause anyone emotional damage :rolleyes:
This what i was thinking along the lines of. If they had shown any R rated movie with sexual content, gay or straight, i bet the same thing would be happening.
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This is an "R" rated movie.. I would not allow my kids to watch this at home let alone at school. The man on man love in the tent is a little over the top for a 12 year old. This teacher had no right to show it without parental consent.
Easy you click the remote button and the sheer gayness envelopes you. You know...extremely gay but in a non sexual way.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The big difference being that the people suing over the pledge are suing have the pledge removed from the classroom, or made optional ... not for hundreds of thousands in damages.
The people suing over the 10 Commandments in front of the courthouse ... same thing, they want them removed, they're not asking for a big pile of cash.
These people are just trying to enrich themselves at taxpayer expense. "Emotionally damaged," right :rolleyes: They should fire the teacher, apologize to the parents, and that should be the end of it.
Agreed.
On a another note here, I have watched that movie twice and I don't feel any gayness creeping into my bones.
Here is a whole list of educational DVDs available free from Howard Hughes Medical Institute. Might be a bit heavy for 12 year olds, but it's far more appropriate for classroom viewing.
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On a another note here, I have watched that movie twice and I don't feel any gayness creeping into my bones.
I'm still gay free. At least I think I am:D:D
Depends on how "entertained" you were by it...
Going to see Brokeback is like renting gay porn...why would you if you're straight? Morbid fascination I suppose...or your woman dragged you to it...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Going to see Brokeback is like renting gay porn...why would you if you're straight? Morbid fascination I suppose...or your woman dragged you to it...
I didn't see it for a long time after it came out, not because of the gayness, but because of the cowboyness. I've never liked cowboy movies.
Eventually, I heard enough about how good it was that I decided to rent it, and I'm glad I did. It really was a very well-made movie, I enjoyed it a lot. I'd recommend it to anyone who isn't homophobic.
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Going to see Brokeback is like renting gay porn...why would you if you're straight? Morbid fascination I suppose...or your woman dragged you to it...
I guess you and I have a different definition of "porn":D
I'm a bit baffled at your attitude towards this Brokeback Mountain movie.
I watched Lord Of The Rings and I'm certainly not a Hobbit, lol.
I have watched several Japanese and Chinese movies (with subtitles) and I'm not either of those.
I often watch Amistad and I'm not Black, a former Slave owner or a Slave.
Should I only watch Toy Story if I'm a toy?:D
I'm open-minded that way.
Why are you so threatened by a movie which deals with a male homosexual relationship? Do homosexuals scare you or something?
Oh well. I'm off to watch a movie about two homosexual women and their rather tragic relationship. If that makes me a lesbian, then so be it:D
But first I'll make sure to go out and hump a female, just so my sexualitiy is not in question and to prove my penis does in fact love females; for RolandTD20Kdrummer' s sake:D:D
It is common sense not to show a movie like that in a classroom full of 12 year olds. That aside, parents like this need to pull their heads out of their asses and sit down with their children and explain to them that the world isn't all flowers and cupcakes...there are different people in the world and sexual preference amongst people is one of those big differences. It's a part of life and in my opinion in this situation it would be healthy to jsut explain this to the child, but the point is that it's real and it's out there and it's the reality of life.
regardless, that teacher is a moron and should've used their brain.
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I guess you and I have a different definition of "porn":D
I'm a bit baffled at your attitude towards this Brokeback Mountain movie.
I watched Lord Of The Rings and I'm certainly not a Hobbit, lol.
I have watched several Japanese and Chinese movies (with subtitles) and I'm not either of those.
I often watch Amistad and I'm not Black, a former Slave owner or a Slave.
Should I only watch Toy Story if I'm a toy?:D
I'm open-minded that way.
Why are you so threatened by a movie which deals with a male homosexual relationship? Do homosexuals scare you or something?
Oh well. I'm off to watch a movie about two homosexual women and their rather tragic relationship. If that makes me a lesbian, then so be it:D
But first I'll make sure to go out and hump a female, just so my sexualitiy is not in question and to prove my penis does in fact love females; for RolandTD20Kdrummer' s sake:D:D
hell yeah bro, i'd like to see what the homophobe has to say back to that.
good debate my friend.
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Going to see Brokeback is like renting gay porn...why would you if you're straight? Morbid fascination I suppose...or your woman dragged you to it...
I just have to ad to NmyTree's response lol.
Should i only watch 'Passion of the Christ' if I'm Christian???
btw, that movie was powerful
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I guess you and I have a different definition of "porn":D
I'm a bit baffled at your attitude towards this Brokeback Mountain movie.
I watched Lord Of The Rings and I'm certainly not a Hobbit, lol.
I have watched several Japanese and Chinese movies (with subtitles) and I'm not either of those.
I often watch Amistad and I'm not Black, a former Slave owner or a Slave.
Should I only watch Toy Story if I'm a toy?:D
I'm open-minded that way.
Why are you so threatened by a movie which deals with a male homosexual relationship? Do homosexuals scare you or something?
Oh well. I'm off to watch a movie about two homosexual women and their rather tragic relationship. If that makes me a lesbian, then so be it:D
But first I'll make sure to go out and hump a female, just so my sexualitiy is not in question and to prove my penis does in fact love females; for RolandTD20Kdrummer' s sake:D:D
Depends what you term entertainment. I don;t have to be a toy to like watching toys...etc... but I don't like watching gay men interact on a deep emotional level. I can't associate with it. It doesn't stimulate or trigger what I consider enjoyment.
Same thing as I would never watch another animal cruelty video...but I love pets...just not in the manner presented.
I actually walked out of the theater when the movie Biloxi Blues turned into a gay thing. It's just doesn't work for me in my head. I also don't enjoy c-span, and instruction videos on mundane operational procedures either.
I not homophobic...I've been to a few gay bars downtown voluntarily. My GF used to get me to watch queer as folk, and I did. But ultimately it was out of morbid fascination. The emotional aspect thing is a complete disconnect for me and I get bored extremely easy.
To each their own...I know what I'm going to be in for with BBM just from the trailers... It's just not my thing.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
hell yeah bro, i'd like to see what the homophobe has to say back to that.
good debate my friend.
lol here come the breeder bashers...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Here's something that should scare the crap out of you, RolandTD20Kdrummer.
I have kissed a gay man, several times, on the cheek, when it's his birthday. He's my good friend. Shockingly his penis never touched me:D:D and I have never burned to ash......yet.
Sorry dude, but when you walk out of " Boloxi Blues because it turned into a gay thing "; you're a homophobe.
" I don't like watching gay men interact on a deep emotional level. I can't associate with it. It doesn't stimulate or trigger what I consider enjoyment."
Does it make you angry? Nervous?
What happens if you see two lesbian women interact on a deep emotional level? Same reaction as with homosexual men? Or do you find that more pleasing and something you can associate with?
Really, you are displaying some deep emotional distrubances regarding homosexuality.
I didn't see it for a long time after it came out, not because of the gayness, but because of the cowboyness. I've never liked cowboy movies.
Eventually, I heard enough about how good it was that I decided to rent it, and I'm glad I did. It really was a very well-made movie, I enjoyed it a lot. I'd recommend it to anyone who isn't homophobic.
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I thinking of renting, 'Debbie Converts Brokeback Mountain'... I heard it got 4 and 1/2 erect penis-ess-ess
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What happens if you see two lesbian women interact on a deep emotional level? Same reaction as with homosexual men? Or do you find that more pleasing and something you can associate with?
I'll take this one,
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If I see two women "interacting" on a deep emotional level, the first thing that comes to mind is "thats cool", but the same goes if I see two attarctive women fighting(who are not lesbians), I always think that in some way they'll still end up making out by the end of the fight. even if they are straight.
But maybe that's all another topic. haha, just kinda joking with the post.
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I think the parents are right to be upset that the kids were shown this movie w/o consent, but suing for $400K is a bit extreme. I'll yank my kids out of school as soon as they start showing Al Gore's global warming documentary. Teachers shouldn't be forcing their opinions on students, just the facts.
this thread is at times amusing,at other times worrying. It's an adult based story, so they shouldn't have watched it-hell, I was slightly concerned when my 11 year old watched Dumb and Dumber on the school Christmas break up day. Simply because I felt it may have been too 'old' for her in places. But please don't get out the big gay stick to beat us with, that's a little wearing these days. To be honest, I never saw it-not interested to see it, no probs with gays, no deep issues, just not interested in gay men, cowboy hats or not! The teach was wrong, but the parents are trying it on -and shame on them, may they fail miserably in their attempt to extort money out of your system.love to all, JUK
Here's something that should scare the crap out of you, RolandTD20Kdrummer.
I have kissed a gay man, several times, on the cheek, when it's his birthday. He's my good friend. Shockingly his penis never touched me:D:D and I have never burned to ash......yet.
Sorry dude, but when you walk out of " Boloxi Blues because it turned into a gay thing "; you're a homophobe.
" I don't like watching gay men interact on a deep emotional level. I can't associate with it. It doesn't stimulate or trigger what I consider enjoyment."
Does it make you angry? Nervous?
What happens if you see two lesbian women interact on a deep emotional level? Same reaction as with homosexual men? Or do you find that more pleasing and something you can associate with?
Really, you are displaying some deep emotional distrubances regarding homosexuality.
nope you're wrong.... my brain is wired hetero.... it's quite simple really. Just like it is for gay people apparently. And I have full rights to not be called homophobic for that. Regardless of how much you like kissing other men and thinking about their penises touching you...:p lol
I don't react to it all really, other than to think wow this is stupid, and how & why? I like women so that argument on lesbianism is moot. I like food...I like more of some food if it's good. The food I do not like like does not please me to have more of it. Quite simple...nothing more....nothing less.
It has nothing to do with prejudice... I don't like punk rock music....what does that mean?
I just find it interesting how quick the gays and gay activists are so quick to cry out homophobe to those that differ.... like it's a crime to not be gay...
burn the witch...it breeds....lol
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
nope you're wrong.... my brain is wired hetero.... it's quite simple really. Just like it is for gay people apparently. And I have full rights to not be called homophobic for that. Regardless of how much you like kissing other men and thinking about their penises touching you...:p lol
I don't react to it all really, other than to think wow this is stupid, and how & why? I like women so that argument on lesbianism is moot. I like food...I like more of some food if it's good. The food I do not like like does not please me to have more of it. Quite simple...nothing more....nothing less.
It has nothing to do with prejudice... I don't like punk rock music....what does that mean?
I just find it interesting how quick the gays and gay activists are so quick to cry out homophobe to those that differ.... like it's a crime to not be gay...
burn the witch...it breeds....lol
Dude, if you're gay, its okay. We couldnt possibly think less of you anyway.
Dude, if you're gay, its okay. We couldnt possibly think less of you anyway.
Didi you fart?...I heard a bubbling noise
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You're just not trying hard enough...you probably a closet homophobe...
"I"m a kidder...I kid..." - Triumph the dog
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Nah, Im gas free, but perhaps YOU are suffering from anal leakage if you heard it, no clue why you'd be suffering from that particular ailment tho.
hehe...I think your obsession with me is a little bit unhealthy....lol I mean if you actually had good come back's it might be considered somewhat normal...sorta..
PM me if you want to continue with the little kiddie small fry stuff...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Here's something that should scare the crap out of you, RolandTD20Kdrummer.
I have kissed a gay man, several times, on the cheek, when it's his birthday. He's my good friend. Shockingly his penis never touched me:D:D and I have never burned to ash......yet.
Sorry dude, but when you walk out of " Boloxi Blues because it turned into a gay thing "; you're a homophobe.
" I don't like watching gay men interact on a deep emotional level. I can't associate with it. It doesn't stimulate or trigger what I consider enjoyment."
Does it make you angry? Nervous?
What happens if you see two lesbian women interact on a deep emotional level? Same reaction as with homosexual men? Or do you find that more pleasing and something you can associate with?
Really, you are displaying some deep emotional distrubances regarding homosexuality.
nope you're wrong.... my brain is wired hetero.... it's quite simple really. Just like it is for gay people apparently. And I have full rights to not be called homophobic for that. Regardless of how much you like kissing other men and thinking about their penises touching you...:p lol
I don't react to it all really, other than to think wow this is stupid, and how & why? I like women so that argument on lesbianism is moot. I like food...I like more of some food if it's good. The food I do not like like does not please me to have more of it. Quite simple...nothing more....nothing less.
It has nothing to do with prejudice... I don't like punk rock music....what does that mean?
I just find it interesting how quick the gays and gay activists are so quick to cry out homophobe to those that differ.... like it's a crime to not be gay...
burn the witch...it breeds....lol
LOL!:D:D
If you remember correctly and you go back and check the chronological order of the discussion in this thread. You will recall that you were the one who directed the subject matter in this direction.
It was your implying that no male could possibily enjoy watching Brokeback Mountain, unless it was a result of "Morbid Fascination".......or if one's girlfriend "forced him" to watch it; otherwise one would have to be a homosexual male to watch this movie and enjoy it/apprreciate it.
Certainly, that was what you were implying. Which of course is a very narrow-minded attempt to stereotype everyone into a nice, neat little package that fits well into the way you precieve things. Your homophobic perception and your perception, only.
Certainly no one could possibily think and feel any other way, than the way you think and percieve:rolleyes: ......without being .....gay.
Hilariously, you're now evoking the "right to be hetrosexual" and acting like your right to be hetrosexual is being compromised. LOL!
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This what i was thinking along the lines of. If they had shown any R rated movie with sexual content, gay or straight, i bet the same thing would be happening.
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Easy you click the remote button and the sheer gayness envelopes you. You know...extremely gay but in a non sexual way.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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You mean to tell me with a degree in teaching, the best thing these people can come up with when they fill in; is to show a movie?:rolleyes:
Why not run a fun creative writing improv?
Sheesh....movies in school:rolleyes:
Agreed.
On a another note here, I have watched that movie twice and I don't feel any gayness creeping into my bones.
I'm still gay free. At least I think I am:D:D
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Depends on how "entertained" you were by it...
Going to see Brokeback is like renting gay porn...why would you if you're straight? Morbid fascination I suppose...or your woman dragged you to it...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Eventually, I heard enough about how good it was that I decided to rent it, and I'm glad I did. It really was a very well-made movie, I enjoyed it a lot. I'd recommend it to anyone who isn't homophobic.
I guess you and I have a different definition of "porn":D
I'm a bit baffled at your attitude towards this Brokeback Mountain movie.
I watched Lord Of The Rings and I'm certainly not a Hobbit, lol.
I have watched several Japanese and Chinese movies (with subtitles) and I'm not either of those.
I often watch Amistad and I'm not Black, a former Slave owner or a Slave.
Should I only watch Toy Story if I'm a toy?:D
I'm open-minded that way.
Why are you so threatened by a movie which deals with a male homosexual relationship? Do homosexuals scare you or something?
Oh well. I'm off to watch a movie about two homosexual women and their rather tragic relationship. If that makes me a lesbian, then so be it:D
But first I'll make sure to go out and hump a female, just so my sexualitiy is not in question and to prove my penis does in fact love females; for RolandTD20Kdrummer' s sake:D:D
regardless, that teacher is a moron and should've used their brain.
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hell yeah bro, i'd like to see what the homophobe has to say back to that.
good debate my friend.
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I just have to ad to NmyTree's response lol.
Should i only watch 'Passion of the Christ' if I'm Christian???
btw, that movie was powerful
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Depends what you term entertainment. I don;t have to be a toy to like watching toys...etc... but I don't like watching gay men interact on a deep emotional level. I can't associate with it. It doesn't stimulate or trigger what I consider enjoyment.
Same thing as I would never watch another animal cruelty video...but I love pets...just not in the manner presented.
I actually walked out of the theater when the movie Biloxi Blues turned into a gay thing. It's just doesn't work for me in my head. I also don't enjoy c-span, and instruction videos on mundane operational procedures either.
I not homophobic...I've been to a few gay bars downtown voluntarily. My GF used to get me to watch queer as folk, and I did. But ultimately it was out of morbid fascination. The emotional aspect thing is a complete disconnect for me and I get bored extremely easy.
To each their own...I know what I'm going to be in for with BBM just from the trailers... It's just not my thing.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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lol here come the breeder bashers...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I have kissed a gay man, several times, on the cheek, when it's his birthday. He's my good friend. Shockingly his penis never touched me:D:D and I have never burned to ash......yet.
Sorry dude, but when you walk out of " Boloxi Blues because it turned into a gay thing "; you're a homophobe.
" I don't like watching gay men interact on a deep emotional level. I can't associate with it. It doesn't stimulate or trigger what I consider enjoyment."
Does it make you angry? Nervous?
What happens if you see two lesbian women interact on a deep emotional level? Same reaction as with homosexual men? Or do you find that more pleasing and something you can associate with?
Really, you are displaying some deep emotional distrubances regarding homosexuality.
I thinking of renting, 'Debbie Converts Brokeback Mountain'... I heard it got 4 and 1/2 erect penis-ess-ess
Hail, Hail!!!
I'll take this one,
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If I see two women "interacting" on a deep emotional level, the first thing that comes to mind is "thats cool", but the same goes if I see two attarctive women fighting(who are not lesbians), I always think that in some way they'll still end up making out by the end of the fight. even if they are straight.
But maybe that's all another topic. haha, just kinda joking with the post.
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nope you're wrong.... my brain is wired hetero.... it's quite simple really. Just like it is for gay people apparently. And I have full rights to not be called homophobic for that. Regardless of how much you like kissing other men and thinking about their penises touching you...:p lol
I don't react to it all really, other than to think wow this is stupid, and how & why? I like women so that argument on lesbianism is moot. I like food...I like more of some food if it's good. The food I do not like like does not please me to have more of it. Quite simple...nothing more....nothing less.
It has nothing to do with prejudice... I don't like punk rock music....what does that mean?
I just find it interesting how quick the gays and gay activists are so quick to cry out homophobe to those that differ.... like it's a crime to not be gay...
burn the witch...it breeds....lol
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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(")_(")
Dude, if you're gay, its okay. We couldnt possibly think less of you anyway.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
Didi you fart?...I heard a bubbling noise
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
You're just not trying hard enough...you probably a closet homophobe...
"I"m a kidder...I kid..." - Triumph the dog
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Nah, Im gas free, but perhaps YOU are suffering from anal leakage if you heard it, no clue why you'd be suffering from that particular ailment tho.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
hehe...I think your obsession with me is a little bit unhealthy....lol
PM me if you want to continue with the little kiddie small fry stuff...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Not obsessed. Amused. Take care ROD.
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LOL!:D:D
If you remember correctly and you go back and check the chronological order of the discussion in this thread. You will recall that you were the one who directed the subject matter in this direction.
It was your implying that no male could possibily enjoy watching Brokeback Mountain, unless it was a result of "Morbid Fascination".......or if one's girlfriend "forced him" to watch it; otherwise one would have to be a homosexual male to watch this movie and enjoy it/apprreciate it.
Certainly, that was what you were implying. Which of course is a very narrow-minded attempt to stereotype everyone into a nice, neat little package that fits well into the way you precieve things. Your homophobic perception and your perception, only.
Certainly no one could possibily think and feel any other way, than the way you think and percieve:rolleyes: ......without being .....gay.
Hilariously, you're now evoking the "right to be hetrosexual" and acting like your right to be hetrosexual is being compromised. LOL!
Me thinks you do protest too much.