Going to see Brokeback is like renting gay porn...why would you if you're straight? Morbid fascination I suppose...or your woman dragged you to it...
It was your attempt to establish acceptable parameters which implied those who don't watch this movie for the reasons you stated, must then be homosexuals. And of course you also implied any man who would enjoy this movie, could not be hetrosexual.
Didn't mean to raid your homophobic closet. Honestly, I didn't. So feel free to return there and just........relax:D
I've seen the movie and thought it was fairly boring actually. I watched it all but it was not that great. I just can't see why a 12 year old would need to watch that in any lesson at school. What was the teacher hoping to teach them? In Australia, parental consent is required for any movie that they watch that is rated higher than PG. I mean, your 12 year old kids can't go to the movies here, or hire a DVD from an outlet at Brokebacks rating, so why would it be ok to do so in school. It's against the law here.
That aside, it just astounds me to see how 'surprised' some people are that the parents are suing. With all repspect to the good people here, Americans do have a reputation for suing anything that they can. I don't mean to offend anyone here so please don't take this the wrong way, but i read that article and was not the least bit surprised. It didn't shock me at all. Money motivates people to do a lot of things unfortunately.
If you want to talk about ridiculous, an administrative law judge for the District of Columbia wants $65,000,000 to replace his lost pants. Wow. And he's a lawyer. Now that's what i call ludicrous.
"Comic Book Guy: These “Bat Pants” have been shredded by the Riddler.
Dry Cleaner Clerk: No, just your ass.
Comic Book Guy: That’s what I call my ass."
If you had simply said that the movie's subject matter doesn't interest you, then there would be nothing left to talk about.
But instead, you tried to create parameters (based on your own personal perspective) that hetrosexual men should fit into, if they watch this movie:
It was your attempt to establish acceptable parameters which implied those who don't watch this movie for the reasons you stated, must then be homosexuals. And of course you also implied any man who would enjoy this movie, could not be hetrosexual.
Didn't mean to raid your homophobic closet. Honestly, I didn't. So feel free to return there and just........relax:D
The reality of it is subtle but it's definitely there, and you choose to completely ignore the obvious fact of it's existence in favor of calling me homophobic.
No (i.e extremely few...i.e. the VAST minority) of single/bachelor straight guys in the world is going to see this movie with his straight guy friends...or by himself for that matter. Let that tell you something.
so...boom..there it is...
was I reaching so far on this notion as to be fetched ? perhaps...to a point
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
While I am not a huge fan of suing people, I am glad that the parents are suing (I do think there should be penalties for the school system and teacher, but I don't think the parents or child should benefit monetarily). It brings to light the agenda by some to push their views on children. There was no reason to show Brokeback Mountain in school other than to push the homosexual agenda. Should a twelve year-old be thinking about and seeing how two homosexual men have sex? I don't think so. When I and our parents went to school, we learned about history, math, english, and science, not sexual orientation (especially when we were 12). And even still, Brokeback is not appropriate.
While i agree it was a dumb idea to show a bunch of twelve years olds this film, i can't see how being made aware of homosexuality is a bad thing it's a part of life (hell some of them will be homosexuals) it's not going to go away and children should be taught about it, just as they are taught about different religion's.
Igonrance just breed's ignorance and thats not benifical to anyone.
Do you not get taught sex education over there either?
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The reality of it is subtle but it's definitely there, and you choose to completely ignore the obvious fact of it's existence in favor of calling me homophobic.
No (i.e extremely few...i.e. the VAST minority) of single/bachelor straight guys in the world is going to see this movie with his straight guy friends...or by himself for that matter. Let that tell you something.
so...boom..there it is...
was I reaching so far on this notion as to be fetched ? perhaps...to a point
You may want to install an over-head light in that closet. Maybe decorate......a little:D
When I was in the bus accident, I was a single mom getting her heat shut off from time to time. I don't care who plants the seeds, the lawyers can't sue all by themselves. The parents are responsible for what they're doing. I doubt they truly think it's going to require $400,000 in psychological care to heal their poor little girl. If they win, I hope it's mandated in the settlement that all of the money be spent on the daughter's mental health care.
I can honestly say I wasn't even tempted. I would have been too embarrassed to walk into a courtroom and demand money.
that's great hippiemom, it's nice to know some people have restraint. but all i'm trying to say here is why be quick to say these parents ran to a lawyer because they had dollar signs in their eyes? nobody here knows for sure if it happened that way or an attorney filled their head. that's all i'm saying. i'm not trying to justify greed, here.
"PC Load Letter?! What the fuck does that mean?"
~Michael Bolton
Okay, after cleaning out the closet and reorganizing it, now, let me get back to the original subject matter and issue at hand.
I really don't see why any teacher would show a movie in a classroom, in the first place. Not just this particular movie, but any movie. I don't believe classrooms/schools are an appropriate place for showing movies.
And no, I don't believe Brokeback Mountain should be shown to 12 year olds. If it was my kid, in his school; I'd be pissed off that they were showing movies instead of ....you know......." TEACHING! " I wouldn't be suing, but I'd sure have some things to say to the principle and teacher.
Of course there are exceptions and there are true educational films that are designed and created for educational purposes. But Brokeback Mountian isn't one of them. Neither is Star Wars .........or Die Hard ......or Finding Nemo .....or Lord Of The Rings.....or any other of these commercial/entertainment movies.
As for Brokeback Mountain, I liked the movie.
I didn't think it was some masterpiece work a of art, but I enjoyed the movie. I never buy into the reviews and hype of a movie and always try to keep myself at no expectations. See "The Blair Witch Project" for reference:rolleyes:
I know damn well that what other people consider "GREAT" or "CRAP", usually has very little to do with how I will like and percieve the movie.
One of the storylines I enjoyed in the movie was their relationships and lives with their wives and kids. Which I thought they could have done a better job with and dedicated more storyline/time to, but I found that interesting, nonetheless.
I thought Ennis Del Mar's struggles with himself ( his homosexuality ), with the realtionship with Jack and his wife......was also interesting. But again, I thought they could have done a better job with that.
One more thing.
Naming this guy "Jack Twist" was really gay. I don't mean gay as in homosexual, but gay as in .........lame:D
While i agree it was a dumb idea to show a bunch of twelve years olds this film, i can't see how being made aware of homosexuality is a bad thing it's a part of life (hell some of them will be homosexuals) it's not going to go away and children should be taught about it, just as they are taught about different religion's.
Igonrance just breed's ignorance and thats not benifical to anyone.
Do you not get taught sex education over there either?
But do you think Brokeback Mountain is the appropriate or correct vehicle for teaching homosexuality, to 12 year olds?
I honsetly don't believe that movie is a proper educational tool for teaching the subject matter.
But do you think Brokeback Mountain is the appropriate or correct vehicle for teaching homosexuality, to 12 year olds?
I honsetly don't believe that movie is a proper educational tool for teaching the subject matter.
No i don't think it was correct to show that movie to those children at all.
Showing DVDs to kids happenes all to often in the school i work at here in london so it was no shock to me.
I can see the place of some films, and i think now days some teachers are trying to reach the kids with a media they may well be more interested in, films and music. But it depends on the school and the children being taught.
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here is a diff. article, I don't think the one in the original post has where they are from:
Suit: Sub showed 'Brokeback' in class
The Associated Press
CHICAGO --
A girl and her grandparents have sued the Chicago Board of Education, alleging that a substitute teacher showed the R-rated film "Brokeback Mountain" in class.
The lawsuit claims that Jessica Turner, 12, suffered psychological distress after viewing the movie in her eighth-grade class at Ashburn Community Elementary School last year.
The film, which won three Oscars, depicts two cowboys who conceal their homosexual affair.
Turner and her grandparents, Kenneth and LaVerne Richardson, are seeking around $500,000 in damages.
"It is very important to me that my children not be exposed to this," said Kenneth Richardson, Turner's guardian. "The teacher knew she was not supposed to do this."
According to the lawsuit filed Friday in Cook County Circuit Court, the video was shown without permission from the students' parents and guardians. Richardson had previously complained to school officials about reading material he said contained curse words.
"This was the last straw," he said. "I feel the lawsuit was necessary because of the warning I had already given them on the literature they were giving out to children to read."
Messages left over the weekend with school district officials were not immediately returned.
was class was this shown in? psychology? sex ed?
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Come on why do you think the teacher was trying to promote homosexuallity, i really don't think thats the case at all.
Anyway you can't teach kids to be gay they either are aren't.
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Do you not get taught sex education over there either?
we did. I think we were in 5th grade, that would be about 10 years old. But that was around 1970! we mostly learned how our parts work and exercises for cramps.
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What kind of bubble does this fucking family live in? I am emotionally scared from watching schools get shot up on the news. Maybe I should sue somebody. Can't get rich the proper way in America? Sue somebody!
I went to a catholic school growing up and seeing a man on the cross scared me. Come on.
Rather pathetic that a kid can learn about some dude getting smacked around until dead on a cross but this movie is too much for a twelve year old to handle. OK
What kind of bubble does this fucking family live in? I am emotionally scared from watching schools get shot up on the news. Maybe I should sue somebody. Can't get rich the proper way in America? Sue somebody!
I went to a catholic school growing up and seeing a man on the cross scared me. Come on.
Rather pathetic that a kid can learn about some dude getting smacked around until dead on a cross but this movie is too much for a twelve year old to handle. OK
Of course this is yet another issue with this whole thing and yeah, I agree 1000%!
I don't believe this movie or any movie should be shown in any schools, unless the movie is in an educational format.
I would be angry and definitely express myself to the school board, but this guy is completely out of his mind with greed. An opportunistic parasite, he is.
But we all know how it is here in America. There are a million jackels awaiting an opportunity to pounce and sue.
Violence=acceptable (especially if there's a phoney patriotic theme behind it).
Tit, Vagina, Penis, Naked Humans, Sex=Unacceptable (throws the American public into a fit of outrage): See Janet Jackson's nipple for reference.
While i agree it was a dumb idea to show a bunch of twelve years olds this film, i can't see how being made aware of homosexuality is a bad thing it's a part of life (hell some of them will be homosexuals) it's not going to go away and children should be taught about it, just as they are taught about different religion's.
Igonrance just breed's ignorance and thats not benifical to anyone.
Do you not get taught sex education over there either?
being made aware of homosexuality isn't the responsibility of the school. you compare it to being taught about different religions. who is responsible for any religious instruction in a child's life? the parents, not the school. there's so much screaming about keeping religion out of the school system, but complete tolerance of homosexuality. and if you think showing this film in a sex ed class would make it acceptable, you're out of your mind. this movie has nothing to do with sex ed. these kids were 12 years old, the movie was rated R, nobody sent anything home to the parents or guardians about the movie being shown.......complete bullshit. if my son had come home and told me about seeing that movie in school, i'd be pissed. you want to show movies in school, show 'schindler's list'.
"PC Load Letter?! What the fuck does that mean?"
~Michael Bolton
being made aware of homosexuality isn't the responsibility of the school. you compare it to being taught about different religions. who is responsible for any religious instruction in a child's life? the parents, not the school. there's so much screaming about keeping religion out of the school system, but complete tolerance of homosexuality. and if you think showing this film in a sex ed class would make it acceptable, you're out of your mind. this movie has nothing to do with sex ed. these kids were 12 years old, the movie was rated R, nobody sent anything home to the parents or guardians about the movie being shown.......complete bullshit. if my son had come home and told me about seeing that movie in school, i'd be pissed. you want to show movies in school, show 'schindler's list'.
First i did not say i agree with the movie being shown to a twelve year old, i sure as hell would not show my child (if i had one) this movie at that age.
They show movies when they have supply teachers in, it's just a quick way of shutting the kids up.
It's a fact of life, there are homosexuals. There are also a fair amount of very thick irresponsible people out there who have no right bringing children into the world, and someone has to try and educate thier children as they sure as hell aren't capable. So yes it should be taught to stop homphobia and to help out those kids that may well discover they are gay.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
being made aware of homosexuality isn't the responsibility of the school. you compare it to being taught about different religions. who is responsible for any religious instruction in a child's life? the parents, not the school. there's so much screaming about keeping religion out of the school system, but complete tolerance of homosexuality. and if you think showing this film in a sex ed class would make it acceptable, you're out of your mind. this movie has nothing to do with sex ed. these kids were 12 years old, the movie was rated R, nobody sent anything home to the parents or guardians about the movie being shown.......complete bullshit. if my son had come home and told me about seeing that movie in school, i'd be pissed. you want to show movies in school, show 'schindler's list'.
A lot of homosexuals were rounded up in Nazi Germany and killed along with the Jews.
First i did not say i agree with the movie being shown to a twelve year old, i sure as hell would not show my child (if i had one) this movie at that age.
They show movies when they have supply teachers in, it's just a quick way of shutting the kids up.
It's a fact of life, there are homosexuals. There are also a fair amount of very thick irresponsible people out there who have no right bringing children into the world, and someone has to try and educate thier children as they sure as hell aren't capable. So yes it should be taught to stop homphobia and to help out those kids that may well discover they are gay.
so because there are "some" parents out there that are lazy when it comes to teaching their children tolerance for homosexuality, then it should be left to the schools? i assume you feel the same for religion too, then? since there are parents out there that aren't exactly going to church with their children every sunday, then every child in school should have some sort of religious instruction?
some of you people are out of your minds. english, history, science, math......that's what school is all about. these other issues are completely private issues, should never be brought into a school setting. "tolerance for homosexuals should be taught in schools because joey's parents haven't talked to him about homosexuality"....unreal some of the stuff i read around here.
A lot of homosexuals were rounded up in Nazi Germany and killed along with the Jews.
no shit, and it deals with history. what the fuck is brokeback mountain teaching anybody? that hollywood can make a really shitty movie about 2 guys in love? where's the educational value?
"PC Load Letter?! What the fuck does that mean?"
~Michael Bolton
You may want to install an over-head light in that closet. Maybe decorate......a little:D
Exactly the point I was trying to clarify from you.
Thanks, carry on.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Okay, after cleaning out the closet and reorganizing it, now, let me get back to the original subject matter and issue at hand.
I really don't see why any teacher would show a movie in a classroom, in the first place. Not just this particular movie, but any movie. I don't believe classrooms/schools are an appropriate place for showing movies.
And no, I don't believe Brokeback Mountain should be shown to 12 year olds. If it was my kid, in his school; I'd be pissed off that they were showing movies instead of ....you know......." TEACHING! " I wouldn't be suing, but I'd sure have some things to say to the principle and teacher.
Of course there are exceptions and there are true educational films that are designed and created for educational purposes. But Brokeback Mountian isn't one of them. Neither is Star Wars .........or Die Hard ......or Finding Nemo .....or Lord Of The Rings.....or any other of these commercial/entertainment movies.
As for Brokeback Mountain, I liked the movie.
I didn't think it was some masterpiece work a of art, but I enjoyed the movie. I never buy into the reviews and hype of a movie and always try to keep myself at no expectations. See "The Blair Witch Project" for reference:rolleyes:
I know damn well that what other people consider "GREAT" or "CRAP", usually has very little to do with how I will like and percieve the movie.
One of the storylines I enjoyed in the movie was their relationships and lives with their wives and kids. Which I thought they could have done a better job with and dedicated more storyline/time to, but I found that interesting, nonetheless.
I thought Ennis Del Mar's struggles with himself ( his homosexuality ), with the realtionship with Jack and his wife......was also interesting. But again, I thought they could have done a better job with that.
I pretty much agree about this post. My first thought when I read the article was: why are they showing movies during class time? When I was in school (long time ago ) we never saw a movie, except for the reproduction documentary...However, if a teacher wants to show an R rated movie I guess she/he should ask for parents' permission first...Either way, those parents are way out of line with the lawsuit (sp?)
About the movie I trully liked it, great filming, excellent editing, beautiful musical score (not because Santaolalla is Argentine, it was actually brilliant and captured the mood of the film). Even though the main story revolved around a homosexual love, the message was broader for me, it dealt with tolerance, bad communication, etc. Ennis Del Mar characher was fascinating for me, all his contradictions, and differences with Gyllenhal's character (more willing to come out of closet).
SPOILER HERE FOR THOSE THAT HAVE NOT SEEN IT AND WANT TO
Actually for me the most moving scene of the movie is not when Ennis finds Jack's shirt, but the final one where Ennis' daughter visits him and tell him she's getting married (or something big) and he for the first time puts his duties behind and stays with daughter for a toast.
so because there are "some" parents out there that are lazy when it comes to teaching their children tolerance for homosexuality, then it should be left to the schools? i assume you feel the same for religion too, then? since there are parents out there that aren't exactly going to church with their children every sunday, then every child in school should have some sort of religious instruction?
some of you people are out of your minds. english, history, science, math......that's what school is all about. these other issues are completely private issues, should never be brought into a school setting. "tolerance for homosexuals should be taught in schools because joey's parents haven't talked to him about homosexuality"....unreal some of the stuff i read around here.
no shit, and it deals with history. what the fuck is brokeback mountain teaching anybody? that hollywood can make a really shitty movie about 2 guys in love? where's the educational value?
I've asked a couple of times what this movie is about. I know about the two gay guys, but there must be more to it than that.
so because there are "some" parents out there that are lazy when it comes to teaching their children tolerance for homosexuality, then it should be left to the schools? i assume you feel the same for religion too, then? since there are parents out there that aren't exactly going to church with their children every sunday, then every child in school should have some sort of religious instruction?
some of you people are out of your minds. english, history, science, math......that's what school is all about. these other issues are completely private issues, should never be brought into a school setting. "tolerance for homosexuals should be taught in schools because joey's parents haven't talked to him about homosexuality"....unreal some of the stuff i read around here.
no shit, and it deals with history. what the fuck is brokeback mountain teaching anybody? that hollywood can make a really shitty movie about 2 guys in love? where's the educational value?
What is history but the past being told in context with today?
Anyhoo...
I kind of understand where you're coming from. Did your parents teach you the "facts" of life, too?
I've asked a couple of times what this movie is about. I know about the two gay guys, but there must be more to it than that.
A raw, powerful story of two young men, a Wyoming ranch hand and a rodeo cowboy, who meet in the summer of 1963 sheepherding in the harsh, high grasslands of contemporary Wyoming and form an unorthodox yet life-long bond--by turns ecstatic, bitter and conflicted. Written by Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana
In 1963,two young men hire on as ranch hands in the Wyoming mountains.During the long months of isolation,an unusual bond starts to develop between them, one which they are only vaguely aware of--until one night when it rises to the surface in a passionate encounter.When the season ends,they part ways,only to realize the true depth of their feelings.Thus begins a decades-long affair that the two of them desperately try to hide from those around them--one which will prove simultaneously beautiful and devastating. Written by LOTUS73
In the Summer of 1963 Wyoming, two young men, Ennis a ranch hand and Jack an aspiring rodeo bull rider, are sent to work together herding sheep on Brokeback Mountain, and what had otherwise been anticipated to be a rather uneventful venture, will soon turn into an affair of love, of lust, and complications that will spand through 19 years of their lives. Through marriage, through children, and through the mighty grip of societal confines and the expectations of what it is to be a man. Written by JamaicaSugar
Set against the sweeping vistas of Alberta's Rocky Mountains, this film tells the story of two young men - a ranch-hand and a rodeo cowboy - who meet in the summer of 1963 and unexpectedly forge a lifelong connection, one whose complications, joys and tragedies provide a testament to the endurance and power of love. Written by focus features
It was wrong for the teacher to show this film, not because it is about homosexuals, but because it is not aiding the teaching of the childrens curriculum. Furthermore, i'm fairly sure that it is not rated as a suitable film to show 12 year olds.
But to take the teacher/school/whatever to school over it is just plain bullshit. There is clearly only one motive here, and that is money, possibly fueled by lack of tolerance for gays.
If your child was shown this film, would you be annoyed? possibly. You may take it up with the school. But would you take them to a court to claim a cash settlement because your child was traumatised by the sight of two men tgether? No. The fact this child is 'traumatised' says more to me about the way she has been raised, to be intolerant of homosexuals, than the inappropriateness of a film.
What i find most disturbing about this whole scenario is not just that it is happening, but that in this day and age, the parents will probably win.
REMEMBER KIDS....
The Bible is full of lies - Stone is the leader of us all!
$400,000 USD? It's only worth 15 years of full-time work at my job.
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What is history but the past being told in context with today?
Anyhoo...
I kind of understand where you're coming from. Did your parents teach you the "facts" of life, too?
honestly, i don't remember. my mind is clogged with hops and bong resin. i'm pretty sure my dad had a small talk with me about sex, but i'm positive there was never any talks about homosexuality. then again, it was a different time when i was 12. it's pushing almost 25 years ago. not quite, but almost. personally, i haven't really gotten in depth with my oldest about sex and homosexuality, but i know those talks are coming. i have no idea what i'm going to say to him, i don't have it all planned out. but when i was in college, if i had to write a paper...once i got started, i could keep going and going and going. he's going to get bored with me rattling on.
good conversation, gue. you know, before i had kids, a story like this probably wouldn't have even received a reaction from me. having kids now, one of which is only 2 years younger than the class that watched this movie...it upsets me. hits a little closer to home, you know?
"PC Load Letter?! What the fuck does that mean?"
~Michael Bolton
Maybe if you tell us what the movie was about it might help explain your position better. I saw lots of dumb movies when I was in school. It's no big deal.
There is a reason for movies being rated. How graphic is the sex? Is there any violence in the movie? If he edited stuff out, then I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it. But parents would need to approve before hand.
I can remember seeing more historical movies that fit with the education plan that were rated "R". But there was approval and it was educational... mostly.
so because there are "some" parents out there that are lazy when it comes to teaching their children tolerance for homosexuality, then it should be left to the schools? i assume you feel the same for religion too, then? since there are parents out there that aren't exactly going to church with their children every sunday, then every child in school should have some sort of religious instruction?
some of you people are out of your minds. english, history, science, math......that's what school is all about. these other issues are completely private issues, should never be brought into a school setting. "tolerance for homosexuals should be taught in schools because joey's parents haven't talked to him about homosexuality"....unreal some of the stuff i read around here.
So teachers can mention marriage but shouldn't mention civil partnerships because thats for gay people?
As for teaching about the different religions, yes the school should. Should there be religious schools? No
I can't see whats so bad about teaching these things could you explain?
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Oh stop the sillieness. Sheesh!
If you had simply said that the movie's subject matter doesn't interest you, then there would be nothing left to talk about.
But instead, you tried to create parameters (based on your own personal perspective) that hetrosexual men should fit into, if they watch this movie:
It was your attempt to establish acceptable parameters which implied those who don't watch this movie for the reasons you stated, must then be homosexuals. And of course you also implied any man who would enjoy this movie, could not be hetrosexual.
Didn't mean to raid your homophobic closet. Honestly, I didn't. So feel free to return there and just........relax:D
That aside, it just astounds me to see how 'surprised' some people are that the parents are suing. With all repspect to the good people here, Americans do have a reputation for suing anything that they can. I don't mean to offend anyone here so please don't take this the wrong way, but i read that article and was not the least bit surprised. It didn't shock me at all. Money motivates people to do a lot of things unfortunately.
If you want to talk about ridiculous, an administrative law judge for the District of Columbia wants $65,000,000 to replace his lost pants. Wow. And he's a lawyer. Now that's what i call ludicrous.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/25/AR2007042502763.html
"Comic Book Guy: These “Bat Pants” have been shredded by the Riddler.
Dry Cleaner Clerk: No, just your ass.
Comic Book Guy: That’s what I call my ass."
The reality of it is subtle but it's definitely there, and you choose to completely ignore the obvious fact of it's existence in favor of calling me homophobic.
No (i.e extremely few...i.e. the VAST minority) of single/bachelor straight guys in the world is going to see this movie with his straight guy friends...or by himself for that matter. Let that tell you something.
so...boom..there it is...
was I reaching so far on this notion as to be fetched ? perhaps...to a point
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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While i agree it was a dumb idea to show a bunch of twelve years olds this film, i can't see how being made aware of homosexuality is a bad thing it's a part of life (hell some of them will be homosexuals) it's not going to go away and children should be taught about it, just as they are taught about different religion's.
Igonrance just breed's ignorance and thats not benifical to anyone.
Do you not get taught sex education over there either?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
You may want to install an over-head light in that closet. Maybe decorate......a little:D
that's great hippiemom, it's nice to know some people have restraint. but all i'm trying to say here is why be quick to say these parents ran to a lawyer because they had dollar signs in their eyes? nobody here knows for sure if it happened that way or an attorney filled their head. that's all i'm saying. i'm not trying to justify greed, here.
~Michael Bolton
I really don't see why any teacher would show a movie in a classroom, in the first place. Not just this particular movie, but any movie. I don't believe classrooms/schools are an appropriate place for showing movies.
And no, I don't believe Brokeback Mountain should be shown to 12 year olds. If it was my kid, in his school; I'd be pissed off that they were showing movies instead of ....you know......." TEACHING! " I wouldn't be suing, but I'd sure have some things to say to the principle and teacher.
Of course there are exceptions and there are true educational films that are designed and created for educational purposes. But Brokeback Mountian isn't one of them. Neither is Star Wars .........or Die Hard ......or Finding Nemo .....or Lord Of The Rings.....or any other of these commercial/entertainment movies.
As for Brokeback Mountain, I liked the movie.
I didn't think it was some masterpiece work a of art, but I enjoyed the movie. I never buy into the reviews and hype of a movie and always try to keep myself at no expectations. See "The Blair Witch Project" for reference:rolleyes:
I know damn well that what other people consider "GREAT" or "CRAP", usually has very little to do with how I will like and percieve the movie.
One of the storylines I enjoyed in the movie was their relationships and lives with their wives and kids. Which I thought they could have done a better job with and dedicated more storyline/time to, but I found that interesting, nonetheless.
I thought Ennis Del Mar's struggles with himself ( his homosexuality ), with the realtionship with Jack and his wife......was also interesting. But again, I thought they could have done a better job with that.
One more thing.
Naming this guy "Jack Twist" was really gay. I don't mean gay as in homosexual, but gay as in .........lame:D
What, Oliver Twist was already taken?:D
But do you think Brokeback Mountain is the appropriate or correct vehicle for teaching homosexuality, to 12 year olds?
I honsetly don't believe that movie is a proper educational tool for teaching the subject matter.
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There is no other reason for showing the movie.
No i don't think it was correct to show that movie to those children at all.
Showing DVDs to kids happenes all to often in the school i work at here in london so it was no shock to me.
I can see the place of some films, and i think now days some teachers are trying to reach the kids with a media they may well be more interested in, films and music. But it depends on the school and the children being taught.
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Suit: Sub showed 'Brokeback' in class
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CHICAGO --
A girl and her grandparents have sued the Chicago Board of Education, alleging that a substitute teacher showed the R-rated film "Brokeback Mountain" in class.
The lawsuit claims that Jessica Turner, 12, suffered psychological distress after viewing the movie in her eighth-grade class at Ashburn Community Elementary School last year.
The film, which won three Oscars, depicts two cowboys who conceal their homosexual affair.
Turner and her grandparents, Kenneth and LaVerne Richardson, are seeking around $500,000 in damages.
"It is very important to me that my children not be exposed to this," said Kenneth Richardson, Turner's guardian. "The teacher knew she was not supposed to do this."
According to the lawsuit filed Friday in Cook County Circuit Court, the video was shown without permission from the students' parents and guardians. Richardson had previously complained to school officials about reading material he said contained curse words.
"This was the last straw," he said. "I feel the lawsuit was necessary because of the warning I had already given them on the literature they were giving out to children to read."
Messages left over the weekend with school district officials were not immediately returned.
was class was this shown in? psychology? sex ed?
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Come on why do you think the teacher was trying to promote homosexuallity, i really don't think thats the case at all.
Anyway you can't teach kids to be gay they either are aren't.
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we did. I think we were in 5th grade, that would be about 10 years old. But that was around 1970! we mostly learned how our parts work and exercises for cramps.
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I went to a catholic school growing up and seeing a man on the cross scared me. Come on.
Rather pathetic that a kid can learn about some dude getting smacked around until dead on a cross but this movie is too much for a twelve year old to handle. OK
Of course this is yet another issue with this whole thing and yeah, I agree 1000%!
I don't believe this movie or any movie should be shown in any schools, unless the movie is in an educational format.
I would be angry and definitely express myself to the school board, but this guy is completely out of his mind with greed. An opportunistic parasite, he is.
But we all know how it is here in America. There are a million jackels awaiting an opportunity to pounce and sue.
Violence=acceptable (especially if there's a phoney patriotic theme behind it).
Tit, Vagina, Penis, Naked Humans, Sex=Unacceptable (throws the American public into a fit of outrage): See Janet Jackson's nipple for reference.
being made aware of homosexuality isn't the responsibility of the school. you compare it to being taught about different religions. who is responsible for any religious instruction in a child's life? the parents, not the school. there's so much screaming about keeping religion out of the school system, but complete tolerance of homosexuality. and if you think showing this film in a sex ed class would make it acceptable, you're out of your mind. this movie has nothing to do with sex ed. these kids were 12 years old, the movie was rated R, nobody sent anything home to the parents or guardians about the movie being shown.......complete bullshit. if my son had come home and told me about seeing that movie in school, i'd be pissed. you want to show movies in school, show 'schindler's list'.
~Michael Bolton
First i did not say i agree with the movie being shown to a twelve year old, i sure as hell would not show my child (if i had one) this movie at that age.
They show movies when they have supply teachers in, it's just a quick way of shutting the kids up.
It's a fact of life, there are homosexuals. There are also a fair amount of very thick irresponsible people out there who have no right bringing children into the world, and someone has to try and educate thier children as they sure as hell aren't capable. So yes it should be taught to stop homphobia and to help out those kids that may well discover they are gay.
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A lot of homosexuals were rounded up in Nazi Germany and killed along with the Jews.
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so because there are "some" parents out there that are lazy when it comes to teaching their children tolerance for homosexuality, then it should be left to the schools? i assume you feel the same for religion too, then? since there are parents out there that aren't exactly going to church with their children every sunday, then every child in school should have some sort of religious instruction?
some of you people are out of your minds. english, history, science, math......that's what school is all about. these other issues are completely private issues, should never be brought into a school setting. "tolerance for homosexuals should be taught in schools because joey's parents haven't talked to him about homosexuality"....unreal some of the stuff i read around here.
no shit, and it deals with history. what the fuck is brokeback mountain teaching anybody? that hollywood can make a really shitty movie about 2 guys in love? where's the educational value?
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Exactly the point I was trying to clarify from you.
Thanks, carry on.
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I pretty much agree about this post. My first thought when I read the article was: why are they showing movies during class time? When I was in school (long time ago
About the movie I trully liked it, great filming, excellent editing, beautiful musical score (not because Santaolalla is Argentine, it was actually brilliant and captured the mood of the film). Even though the main story revolved around a homosexual love, the message was broader for me, it dealt with tolerance, bad communication, etc. Ennis Del Mar characher was fascinating for me, all his contradictions, and differences with Gyllenhal's character (more willing to come out of closet).
SPOILER HERE FOR THOSE THAT HAVE NOT SEEN IT AND WANT TO
Actually for me the most moving scene of the movie is not when Ennis finds Jack's shirt, but the final one where Ennis' daughter visits him and tell him she's getting married (or something big) and he for the first time puts his duties behind and stays with daughter for a toast.
I've asked a couple of times what this movie is about. I know about the two gay guys, but there must be more to it than that.
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What is history but the past being told in context with today?
Anyhoo...
I kind of understand where you're coming from. Did your parents teach you the "facts" of life, too?
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A raw, powerful story of two young men, a Wyoming ranch hand and a rodeo cowboy, who meet in the summer of 1963 sheepherding in the harsh, high grasslands of contemporary Wyoming and form an unorthodox yet life-long bond--by turns ecstatic, bitter and conflicted. Written by Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana
In 1963,two young men hire on as ranch hands in the Wyoming mountains.During the long months of isolation,an unusual bond starts to develop between them, one which they are only vaguely aware of--until one night when it rises to the surface in a passionate encounter.When the season ends,they part ways,only to realize the true depth of their feelings.Thus begins a decades-long affair that the two of them desperately try to hide from those around them--one which will prove simultaneously beautiful and devastating. Written by LOTUS73
In the Summer of 1963 Wyoming, two young men, Ennis a ranch hand and Jack an aspiring rodeo bull rider, are sent to work together herding sheep on Brokeback Mountain, and what had otherwise been anticipated to be a rather uneventful venture, will soon turn into an affair of love, of lust, and complications that will spand through 19 years of their lives. Through marriage, through children, and through the mighty grip of societal confines and the expectations of what it is to be a man. Written by JamaicaSugar
Set against the sweeping vistas of Alberta's Rocky Mountains, this film tells the story of two young men - a ranch-hand and a rodeo cowboy - who meet in the summer of 1963 and unexpectedly forge a lifelong connection, one whose complications, joys and tragedies provide a testament to the endurance and power of love. Written by focus features
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But to take the teacher/school/whatever to school over it is just plain bullshit. There is clearly only one motive here, and that is money, possibly fueled by lack of tolerance for gays.
If your child was shown this film, would you be annoyed? possibly. You may take it up with the school. But would you take them to a court to claim a cash settlement because your child was traumatised by the sight of two men tgether? No. The fact this child is 'traumatised' says more to me about the way she has been raised, to be intolerant of homosexuals, than the inappropriateness of a film.
What i find most disturbing about this whole scenario is not just that it is happening, but that in this day and age, the parents will probably win.
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honestly, i don't remember. my mind is clogged with hops and bong resin. i'm pretty sure my dad had a small talk with me about sex, but i'm positive there was never any talks about homosexuality. then again, it was a different time when i was 12. it's pushing almost 25 years ago. not quite, but almost. personally, i haven't really gotten in depth with my oldest about sex and homosexuality, but i know those talks are coming. i have no idea what i'm going to say to him, i don't have it all planned out. but when i was in college, if i had to write a paper...once i got started, i could keep going and going and going. he's going to get bored with me rattling on.
good conversation, gue. you know, before i had kids, a story like this probably wouldn't have even received a reaction from me. having kids now, one of which is only 2 years younger than the class that watched this movie...it upsets me. hits a little closer to home, you know?
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There is a reason for movies being rated. How graphic is the sex? Is there any violence in the movie? If he edited stuff out, then I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it. But parents would need to approve before hand.
I can remember seeing more historical movies that fit with the education plan that were rated "R". But there was approval and it was educational... mostly.
So teachers can mention marriage but shouldn't mention civil partnerships because thats for gay people?
As for teaching about the different religions, yes the school should. Should there be religious schools? No
I can't see whats so bad about teaching these things could you explain?
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