The Jena Six

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  • evenflow wrote:
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    How can the information that has been given out on multiple sites by multiple people all be the same, except for what you say? How could the facts and police report be completely be covered up and hidden?
  • How can the information that has been given out on multiple sites by multiple people all be the same, except for what you say? How could the facts and police report be completely be covered up and hidden?

    Just because a story is reported on a website, or even TV doesn't automatically make it fact. Calling everything you see and hear "the facts" can be dangerous. As PJ fans we should be well aware that the media can present a bias towards any story it wants to, and now more of these news organizations are sharing the same sources and reports (sometimes word for word) further spreading incorrect information.

    This is what I konw - my source is way more credible than a lot of news sources. I know this person really well, I know his beliefs, feelings towards the situation, and amount of knowledge with this case. I've done some research where some facts matched up and some facts didn't. I made a descision to believe my source after he had been right about a lot of the facts before the country had even heard of this.

    I understand that just because I have my source for the truth doesn't mean everyone everywhere is going to believe me, but I'd be a lot more comfortable betting everything I could on the version I know against someone who is just reading the CNN website (or any generic news site).

    Take it or leave it, or at least conceieve it. It is what it is, and short of setting up a personal meeting between you and my source, what else can I say? Everything I mentioned is out there, buried in some news stories, just not the majority of them. Everything can be backed up in some form. I guess it's just not sensational enough to sell the news.
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  • know1
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    Why does the media say things like:

    "The black community was outraged by the nooses"

    Don't they think that other people may have also been outraged by them?
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  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    know1 wrote:
    Why does the media say things like:

    "The black community was outraged by the nooses"

    Don't they think that other people may have also been outraged by them?


    I was outraged myself by that and the so called white and black areas...

    It's an Are you freaking Kidding Me? moment.
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  • i saw this posted on another site...
    by a well respected black writer (the same one who spoke out about the whole imus thing)



    http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7170510



    Before I go any further, let me state this: The prosecutor should've never charged these boys with attempted murder. The entire school board should be replaced for stopping the noose-hanging kids from being expelled.

    OK, having said that, much of the mainstream reporting on this story has been misleading, irresponsible and inflammatory.

    No one mentions that Mychal Bell's clueless public defender was black. No one mentions that there were no black jurors because of the 50 people who responded to the more than 100 summons, none were black. No one mentions that Bell was already on probation for battery relating to a Christmas day incident in 2005. No one mentions that Bell was adjudicated (convicted) of two other violent crimes in 2006 and one charge of criminal damage to property. No one mentions that Bell's father acknowledged he moved back to Louisiana in February (after seven years in Dallas) to supervise his son because of the "Jena Six" mess. No one mentions that Bell starred on the Jena High football team while constantly jeopardizing/violating his seemingly flimsy probation.

    This was all talked about in open court during a bond hearing for Bell, and a newspaper in Alexandria, La., wrote about it. Just about everybody else has pretty much ignored the "other side" of the story. Including the fact that not one witness — black or white, and there were 40 statements taken — connected the jumping/beatdown of the white student (Dec. 4) to the noose incident (Sept. 1).

    No one mentions that a black U.S. Attorney, Donald Washington, investigated the "Jena Six" case and held a town-hall meeting explaining that there was no evidence connecting the jumping/beatdown to the noose incident.

    Only after the prosecutor overreacted (or tired of letting Bell and others skate once the successful football season was over; Bell wasn't the only football star charged) did the "Jena Six" blame the attack on the nooses and the white shade tree.
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    Rather than report the truth, flames have been fanned by lazy or cowardly or agenda-driven members of the media. Because the white kid regained consciousness and survived the attack with only a swollen eye, defenders of the "Jena Six" have called it a typical "schoolyard fight." Would anyone call it that if six white football and basketball players jumped one black kid?

    I've mulled this topic for months, and I keep coming back to one question: Where in the hell were the parents — all of the parents, white and black?

    Shame on the parents of the kids who hung the nooses for hiding behind a seemingly racist and insensitive school board when their kids were inexcusably wrong. Shame on the parents of the "Jena Six" for blaming white racism for the cowardice of a six-on-one attack.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,956
    let me start by saying I don't know enough about this case fully to make an informed comment on it. Clearly its a bad situation on both sides. that being said...

    the only thing I can say on cases like this is until the black community takes care of their own problems, how can white-america sympathize? When the only images of young black men that white america gets are of black men killing each other at alarming rates, rappers rapping about their ho's an being gangsta and punk athletes (michael vick, tank johnson, pacman jones, etc.) how can we not overreact when a black man is charged with a violent crime? Unfortunately the black gangsta, don't disrespect me attitude has created a culture of violence that will take decades to overturn. How much sympathy can I have for Mychal Bell when he has been charged with multiple violent offenses as a teen? When he has shown a pattern of criminal and violent activity. I'm sorry but I can't feel that we should go lightly on what we charge a guy like this with. How do you stop a guy like that without giving him serious charges?
  • I hate Al Sharpton. They white guy is always putting down the black man. Stop actting like animals and maybe people wouldnt treat you like one.
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  • here is my problem with these protests... NONE of the people i have seen on the news, and in my town have any idea as to what actually happened. all they heard was racist and south and nooses.

    I think some of us may differ on whether or not they were prosecuted too harshly...

    But there is no way people should be holding signs that say "FREE the Jena 6"


    last i checked, it was still 6 people that beat the crap out of someone.
  • just 1 ? is it a hate crime when 6 black kids beat up a white kid? I just asking.
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  • just 1 ? is it a hate crime when 6 black kids beat up a white kid? I just asking.


    Not if they're asking if six white people in W.V. can be charged with a hate crime when it's so fucking apparent that it is, there should be no question.
  • dolly rocker
    dolly rocker Long Beach NY Posts: 352
    its just a shame all of this over a silly tree,,how sad is this world..thank god for music
  • NOCODE#1
    NOCODE#1 Posts: 1,477
    Has anyone heard of this?

    Apparently people in the South still believe that it is 1930 and blatant racism is acceptable.

    In Jena, Louisiana there is a large tree in front of the town high school. Apparently the white students used to congregate under the tree during breaks. One day a black student decided to sit down under this tree. The next day three nooses were hung from the tree. The superintendent wrote it off as a prank and suspended the responsible students for three days. The blacks were upset by this and racial tension began to increase. A few months pass and several scuffles take place. One night a group of black students get into a fight with a white student, causing the white student to be hospitalized and released later that day. Following the fight, the black students were arrested and charged with attempted murder and face 20-100 yrs in jail.

    This is obviously just a summary so go to jenasix.org to get the full story.

    The fact that this story is receiving very little national coverage is despicable.

    Read more at the Jena 6 wikipedia page

    its a hate crime
    whats the problem

    it goes both ways
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  • its just a shame all of this over a silly tree,,how sad is this world..thank god for music


    Here's the thing im reading more and more...

    The tree had nothing to do with it.


    The racial angle wasnt brought up until AFTER they were convicted.
  • If we charge the white kids with a hate crime would it be even? I m so sick of the it'sthe whites mans fault. In my diveristy calss my teacher keeps on say it.
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    Here's the thing im reading more and more...

    The tree had nothing to do with it.


    The racial angle wasnt brought up until AFTER they were convicted.

    Please explain how this tree had nothing to do with this continuing into what this episode has become. Please

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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    know1 wrote:
    Why does the media say things like:

    "The black community was outraged by the nooses"

    Don't they think that other people may have also been outraged by them?

    i'm sure other people are outraged by the nooses. i am. Everyone should be. i don't think when the media says things like that,they intend to imply that others aren't angered by the nooses, just to point out how the Black community is reacting. Yes, everyone should be outraged, and many, i'm sure, are. Its completely fair to say, however, given their history in this nation, that Blacks will undoubtedly have a much deeper, personal, and emotional reaction to nooses hanging from a tree in reaction to Black student simply sitting there. Its also fair to say that, whereas whites, for example, can and should be angered by them, its impossible for them to have the SAME kind of emotional reaction.
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  • IMO, Reverend Jesse is the black community's own worst enemy... :rolleyes:


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  • g under p wrote:
    Please explain how this tree had nothing to do with this continuing into what this episode has become. Please

    Peace


    i saw this posted on another site...
    by a well respected black writer (the same one who spoke out about the whole imus thing)



    http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7170510



    Before I go any further, let me state this: The prosecutor should've never charged these boys with attempted murder. The entire school board should be replaced for stopping the noose-hanging kids from being expelled.

    OK, having said that, much of the mainstream reporting on this story has been misleading, irresponsible and inflammatory.

    No one mentions that Mychal Bell's clueless public defender was black. No one mentions that there were no black jurors because of the 50 people who responded to the more than 100 summons, none were black. No one mentions that Bell was already on probation for battery relating to a Christmas day incident in 2005. No one mentions that Bell was adjudicated (convicted) of two other violent crimes in 2006 and one charge of criminal damage to property. No one mentions that Bell's father acknowledged he moved back to Louisiana in February (after seven years in Dallas) to supervise his son because of the "Jena Six" mess. No one mentions that Bell starred on the Jena High football team while constantly jeopardizing/violating his seemingly flimsy probation.

    This was all talked about in open court during a bond hearing for Bell, and a newspaper in Alexandria, La., wrote about it. Just about everybody else has pretty much ignored the "other side" of the story. Including the fact that not one witness — black or white, and there were 40 statements taken — connected the jumping/beatdown of the white student (Dec. 4) to the noose incident (Sept. 1).

    No one mentions that a black U.S. Attorney, Donald Washington, investigated the "Jena Six" case and held a town-hall meeting explaining that there was no evidence connecting the jumping/beatdown to the noose incident.

    Only after the prosecutor overreacted (or tired of letting Bell and others skate once the successful football season was over; Bell wasn't the only football star charged) did the "Jena Six" blame the attack on the nooses and the white shade tree.



    Rather than report the truth, flames have been fanned by lazy or cowardly or agenda-driven members of the media. Because the white kid regained consciousness and survived the attack with only a swollen eye, defenders of the "Jena Six" have called it a typical "schoolyard fight." Would anyone call it that if six white football and basketball players jumped one black kid?

    I've mulled this topic for months, and I keep coming back to one question: Where in the hell were the parents — all of the parents, white and black?

    Shame on the parents of the kids who hung the nooses for hiding behind a seemingly racist and insensitive school board when their kids were inexcusably wrong. Shame on the parents of the "Jena Six" for blaming white racism for the cowardice of a six-on-one attack.

    :)
  • There was a rally for this along with a bus trip to the Jena area in my town this week. So alot of talk and news coverage.

    I agree with the comment that racism goes both ways. There is no doubt about that.

    As for this situation, beating someone up is not the same as a visual attack. Once the black boys made it physical, they crossed the line. They definitely do deserve to be punished. Just as the white boys who used visual and verbal means to intimidate their fellow black students should be punished.

    I do not think that "attempted murder" or a 22 year sentence is appropriate for the crime committed by the black students though.

    It is unfortunate that in this day and age the court system in the south is still so retro minded that it cannot act in a fair and reasonable manner.
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  • g under p
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    Originally Posted by Me Quoting the Jason Whitlock article earlier in this thread

    i saw this posted on another site...
    by a well respected black writer (the same one who spoke out about the whole imus thing)



    http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7170510



    Before I go any further, let me state this: The prosecutor should've never charged these boys with attempted murder. The entire school board should be replaced for stopping the noose-hanging kids from being expelled.

    OK, having said that, much of the mainstream reporting on this story has been misleading, irresponsible and inflammatory.

    No one mentions that Mychal Bell's clueless public defender was black. No one mentions that there were no black jurors because of the 50 people who responded to the more than 100 summons, none were black. No one mentions that Bell was already on probation for battery relating to a Christmas day incident in 2005. No one mentions that Bell was adjudicated (convicted) of two other violent crimes in 2006 and one charge of criminal damage to property. No one mentions that Bell's father acknowledged he moved back to Louisiana in February (after seven years in Dallas) to supervise his son because of the "Jena Six" mess. No one mentions that Bell starred on the Jena High football team while constantly jeopardizing/violating his seemingly flimsy probation.

    This was all talked about in open court during a bond hearing for Bell, and a newspaper in Alexandria, La., wrote about it. Just about everybody else has pretty much ignored the "other side" of the story. Including the fact that not one witness — black or white, and there were 40 statements taken — connected the jumping/beatdown of the white student (Dec. 4) to the noose incident (Sept. 1).

    No one mentions that a black U.S. Attorney, Donald Washington, investigated the "Jena Six" case and held a town-hall meeting explaining that there was no evidence connecting the jumping/beatdown to the noose incident.

    Only after the prosecutor overreacted (or tired of letting Bell and others skate once the successful football season was over; Bell wasn't the only football star charged) did the "Jena Six" blame the attack on the nooses and the white shade tree.



    Rather than report the truth, flames have been fanned by lazy or cowardly or agenda-driven members of the media. Because the white kid regained consciousness and survived the attack with only a swollen eye, defenders of the "Jena Six" have called it a typical "schoolyard fight." Would anyone call it that if six white football and basketball players jumped one black kid?

    I've mulled this topic for months, and I keep coming back to one question: Where in the hell were the parents — all of the parents, white and black?

    Shame on the parents of the kids who hung the nooses for hiding behind a seemingly racist and insensitive school board when their kids were inexcusably wrong. Shame on the parents of the "Jena Six" for blaming white racism for the cowardice of a six-on-one attack.

    Yeah I read this before and I still doesn't tell me that the nooses had nothing to do with what precipitated the events that led to the 6 on 1 beating.

    I'm just going referring to the tree and where it led to in this crime/fight. Let's take a look at the atmosphere of this HS before anyone sat or hung anything. You have a High School 85% white-black students and just about the same for the town of Jena. There has to be some tension going on before in that one of the J Six had to "ask permission" to sit under this tree on a hot day. This tree was known for where white students like to hang out and a black student asked to if he could sit under that tree. Bailey i believe was his name one of the six.

    The principal had no problem with him or his friends sitting under the tree and the youths sit there for the day. The very next day the 3 nooses are hung, so why and what does this symbol means to the black youths who sat under the tree the day before?

    It's basically saying how dare you sit under our tree, you're not supposed to sit here. it's a symbol of fear by intimidation based on America's past on lynchings of black people. One of the Jena Six didn't quite know what the nooses meant but all the others did, he understood clearly later on. A protest ensued by the black students which led to the DA saying to all the students “See this pen in my hand? I can end your lives with the stroke of a pen.” In saying that I believe he was referring that statement to the black students there that again dared to protest the in school expulsion of the white students that hung the nooses.

    As far as I know no nooses were hung at the school before this incident. So my point here is if those nooses weren't hung on that tree, there would be no animosity/anger built up towards either race. There would be no protest to the school board decision on the expulsion of the white students which led to the comments by DA R. Walters. Which further incited the black students.

    I can understand this kind of atmosphere while living in South Carolina with about the same racial make up 75-25 white. I saw what some white students would do to the black students and there reaction to them. I can understand how those black students were angry about the symbolism of the the nooses and what it meant.

    If those nooses weren't hung we wouldn't be talking about this particular situation now. I matters none to me if the writer above was black, green or purple. His writings does not authenticate the matter of the symbolism of the nooses nor do I. However, I've seen and spoken to those who have participate in these racial pranks if you want to call it that which in turn led to this whole incident escalating.

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