Gulf of Tonkin 2.0 - Iranian Warships TAUNTING US FLEET?

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  • MakingWaves
    MakingWaves Posts: 1,294
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    I didn't say things "would be ALL WELL" ... that wasn't even the point in contention ...

    You said the war is "about oil" ... thats it.
    O-I-L

    You can procure oil by trade!
    Our money is just as good as any other nations ...

    BWAH HA HA ...
    ok, at least it WAS just as good as any other nations.
    :rolleyes:

    until we started this bullshit war,
    and had to print up more "money" (cough, debt) to finance it.

    Bottom line,
    US economic output, which thrives on HUGE inputs of oil, is a irreplaceable commodity to the Arabs, just as that oil is irreplaceable to us.

    Things being "all well" in 'arabia' is an ARAB problem, not an American problem.
    And the Israelis have freaking nukes, if that is where you are about to sidebar the convo.

    I agree with most of what you are saying but you did say if "we just traded kindly and generous with them (the A-rabs) that all would be well?"

    All I am trying to say is no that wouldn't solve everything because of the importance of that oil to our country.
    We could have perfect trade relations with Arab countries for oil but because of the instability of the region there will always be a military presence there. As much as i hate that, I just think that is reality.

    I also did hear a story on the news last night saying that the message sent over the radio could have possibly come from land and not the boats. But the previous poster was correct about this being ignored by the media. As much as people are fed up with Bush you would think a media source would run with this part of the story and say something about it but everyone keeps quiet and makes it a little blurb in their news.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    MakingWaves wrote:
    I agree with most of what you are saying but you did say if "we just traded kindly and generous with them (the A-rabs) that all would be well?"

    All I am trying to say is no that wouldn't solve everything because of the importance of that oil to our country.
    We could have perfect trade relations with Arab countries for oil but because of the instability of the region there will always be a military presence there. As much as i hate that, I just think that is reality.

    I also did hear a story on the news last night saying that the message sent over the radio could have possibly come from land and not the boats. But the previous poster was correct about this being ignored by the media. As much as people are fed up with Bush you would think a media source would run with this part of the story and say something about it but everyone keeps quiet and makes it a little blurb in their news.

    well if i said that, i apologize.
    lol.
    looks like i threw my OWN argument off kilt.

    not sure i agree about needing a military presence, though.
    Its arab oil, and they will be SELLING it to us.
    Makes no sense as a buyer to have to protect a seller.
    If the arabs want to continue to make money selling THEIR oil, THEY need to PROTECT it.
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    * Gareth Porter: Official Version of U.S.-Iranian Naval Incident Starts to
    Unravel *

    The United States has lodged a formal diplomatic protest against Iran for
    its ³provocation² in the Strait of Hormuz on Sunday morning. But new
    information reveals that the alleged Iranian threat to American naval
    vessels may have been blown out of proportion. We speak to investigative
    historian Gareth Porter.

    Listen/Watch/Read
    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/11/us_backs_off_claim_of_naval

    This is a interesting read, lets see how long this situation will be perpetuated.

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  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    ...does anyone actually believe that Iran sent "go fast boats" in to harass and threaten the US Navy? :rolleyes:
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    That was Bush and Cheney disguised with turbins driving those speed boats.
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    That was Bush and Cheney disguised with turbins driving those speed boats.

    Heh, what was it they said the verbal threat was? "we are coming to you now and you will blow up" or some shit like that? Come on... sounds like something some aide in Cheney's office came up with.
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  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    Like if Iran had a fleet of warships in the Gulf of Mexico a few miles from our shores I'm sure they'd get harassed as well.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    Like if Iran had a fleet of warships in the Gulf of Mexico a few miles from our shores I'm sure they'd get harassed as well.

    Probabaly with more than a few patrol boats too.


    Why is this a story..well, we know why ...but

    A US Destroyer couldn't handle 4 Iranian PAtrol Boats? This entire episode is rediculous.
  • smokem
    smokem Posts: 13
    Not quite Tonkin 2, but it sure smells of it. Of course W is going to look for a provocation before he leaves office. Surprised he didnt do it a year ago.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    Prank May Have Sparked A Gulf Showdown as Bush continues to make a fool of himself in using this incident to spark his agenda of attack on Iran.

    So called "Curveball" spy was used to start the war in Iraq and now this weak attempt to use this to start another for Smart Bomb attack on Iran.

    Sad case America has become. :(

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,118
    i knew this whole story was bullshit. "may have been a prank" lol.
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Both videos are fabricated and edited bullshit, for our amusement.

    Both Iran and our own goverment are full of crap.

    I choose to believe neither.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    NMyTree wrote:
    Both videos are fabricated and edited bullshit, for our amusement.

    Both Iran and our own goverment are full of crap.

    I choose to believe neither.
    ...
    That's what has happened. The Bush/Rove spin machine has reduced an already suspect Washington credibility to the levels of the Hussein era Ministry Of Information or the Weekly World News.
    I don't believe anything from us or them anymore. To believe them now... well, that would make me the fool, not them... right?
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    NMyTree wrote:
    Both videos are fabricated and edited bullshit, for our amusement.

    Both Iran and our own goverment are full of crap.

    I choose to believe neither.

    Like I was saying earlier in the thread - the sad part is that their are probably a LOT of people that saw the original story, and won't see the semi-retraction. It's always the same shite....arrest a bunch of people on terrorism charges, scare the hell out of a whole community with TERROR headlines...then release them cause you had no case. Same with the "wipe Israel off the map" story.
  • hrd2imgn
    hrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,924
    you're gonna get burned

    this is a total ploy by Iran to see what kind of balls we have. They want to know how far we'll go.

    Next time this happens they won't be so lucky I imagine.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    hrd2imgn wrote:
    you're gonna get burned

    this is a total ploy by Iran to see what kind of balls we have. They want to know how far we'll go.

    Next time this happens they won't be so lucky I imagine.

    lol...that's some fine comedic satire right there...
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    hrd2imgn wrote:
    you're gonna get burned

    this is a total ploy by Iran to see what kind of balls we have. They want to know how far we'll go.

    Next time this happens they won't be so lucky I imagine.
    ...
    This wouldn't be an issue at all... if we had a President.
    If we did have a president... all he would have to do is speak to a worldwide audience and say, "U.S. Naval personel will not allow acts of aggression towards them in international waters and will defend themselves from any threat. A repeat of the incidents of 06January2008 will result in the following:
    Visual and audible warnings will be sounded. If the threat continues, One warning shot from the ship's main gun will be fired. If the aggressive acts are not broken off... use of lethal force has been authorized."
    ...
    Try any of that bullshit again and you know what will happen to you. You have been warned. Case closed... a non-issue.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Exactly why I thought it happened... so many people called it the second it aired.

    How stupid are they in the Pentagon? I man that's bad, huge underestimation of societal perception on their part.

    http://www.antiwar.com/porter/?articleid=12221
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Is this getting much coverage?
    I should turn on a tv once in a while...
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Exactly why I thought it happened... so many people called it the second it aired.

    How stupid are they in the Pentagon? I man that's bad, huge underestimation of societal perception on their part.

    http://www.antiwar.com/porter/?articleid=12221

    Not that i am really that suprised (uh see the title of this thread? ;) ) but

    i am PISSED after reading that!

    Grrr.

    Its like they are recycling the same playbook.
    Not even decent enough to be creative about it,
    insulting the intelligence of all of us.
    "These poor ignorant saps will know no better",
    I can hear them chortle.

    The part that chafes me the most is CNN's complicity in this Wag The Dog ploy.

    :mad:
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