I know especially after all the neo-con and Israeli sentiment about loving Iran to death, and wanting to plant pretty flowers on it's soil.
Not to mention Iran illegally occupying and starting illegal wars on lies, and propping up puppet dictators around the world to destabilize foreign govt's for the purposes of securing resources.. Iran is the worst at that by far.
And if I lived in Israel I would despise Iran after some of the comments their leaders have made about wanting to wipe that country off the face of the earth.
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And if I lived in Israel I would despise Iran after some of the comments their leaders have made about wanting to wipe that country off the face of the earth.
Which is a flagrant misquote.
:(
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If I am wrong then please correct me. I have no problem admitting I am wrong.
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This video we can get within 24 hours of the alleged incident.
But we can't get a clear video of the plane hitting the Penatgon, from back in 2001.
This is another arguement that my opinion has no chance of winning.
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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday lambasted Israel and Zionism and quoted the late Ayatollah Khomeini calling for Israel to be "wiped out from the map."
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If I am wrong then please correct me. I have no problem admitting I am wrong.
the actual farsi translation (someone can get a link up here, we've been over this before) basicaly says, "the oppresive israeli regime must fade from the pages of history."
Which, in context, basicaly was an assertion that the israeli government can not continue to act against palestinians and displace other ethnic groups by acting out side of its UN defined borders, adn that such hostility by necessity -- necessity being cited with refrences to OTHER regimes like the soviets etc that fell through PEACEFUL means of internal pressure -- of historical precedent come to an end. IE - REGIME CHANGE.
At least that was my take.
I'm not saying there is no Anti-Israeli sentiment in Iran.
I'm not stupid.
I'm just saying the quote was FAR from the blanket assertion of wanting violence wished upon the STATE of Israel. In fact, there was no implication of force, it wasn't even an active verb. It was "must fade from the pages of history".
Hardly calling for a "wiping off the map."
The machine really ran to distort that quote!
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
the actual farsi translation (someone can get a link up here, we've been over this before) basicaly says, "the oppresive israeli regime must fade from the pages of history."
Which, in context, basicaly was an assertion that the israeli government can not continue to act against palestinians and displace other ethnic groups by acting out side of its UN defined borders, adn that such hostility must by necessity -- necessity being historical president, which he cited with refrences to OTHER regimes like the soviets etc that fell through PEACEFUL means of internal pressure -- of historical precedent.
At least that was my take.
I'm not saying there is no Anti-Israeli sentiment in Iran.
I'm not stupid.
I'm just saying the quote was FAR from the blanket assertion of wanting violence wished upon the STATE of Israel. In fact, there was no implication of force, it wasn't even an active verb. It was "must fade from the pages of history".
Hardly calling for a "wiping off the map."
The machine really ran to distort that quote!
Fair enough. I can see where the media would run with that.
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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday lambasted Israel and Zionism and quoted the late Ayatollah Khomeini calling for Israel to be "wiped out from the map."
the actual farsi translation (someone can get a link up here, we've been over this before) basicaly says, "the oppresive israeli regime must fade from the pages of history."
Which, in context, basicaly was an assertion that the israeli government can not continue to act against palestinians and displace other ethnic groups by acting out side of its UN defined borders, adn that such hostility must by necessity -- necessity being historical president, which he cited with refrences to OTHER regimes like the soviets etc that fell through PEACEFUL means of internal pressure -- of historical precedent.
At least that was my take.
I'm not saying there is no Anti-Israeli sentiment in Iran.
I'm not stupid.
I'm just saying the quote was FAR from the blanket assertion of wanting violence wished upon the STATE of Israel. In fact, there was no implication of force, it wasn't even an active verb. It was "must fade from the pages of history".
Hardly calling for a "wiping off the map."
The machine really ran to distort that quote!
If they would only speak english, then we would all know and what they really meant.
Damn fuckin' non-english speaking foreigners! Make them all speak english, NOW!
If they would only speak english, then we would all know and what they really meant.
Damn fuckin' non-english speaking foreigners! Make them all speak english, NOW!
That reminds me of a very old joke.
What do you call someone who speaks 3 languages? Trilingual
What do you call someone who speaks 2 languages? Bilingual
What do you call someone who speaks 1 language? American
Sorry, now back to the debate.
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And I will now say you have proven me wrong and this sounds like it was a misquote.
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It is just my opinion that the US government has more credibility then the Iranian government.
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And if I lived in Israel I would despise Iran after some of the comments their leaders have made about wanting to wipe that country off the face of the earth.
Yeah but he never said the entire coutry. Just the zionist movement itself. That was clarified months ago...
It's like saying I dislike neo-cons.. disliking neo-cons!!?? omg the horror! :eek:
See? now I'm a terrorist. Abra cadabra...amazing...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
This video we can get within 24 hours of the alleged incident.
But we can't get a clear video of the plane hitting the Penatgon, from back in 2001.
Yeah but...all those (several) camera's weren't working...even across the street in a few locations as well.
Must have been one of those spontaneous magnetic disturbance solar flare's disguised as secret agents.
The one camera shrouded in magic kyrptonize solar proof dust was able to snap off a few frames before exploding. Thank god for that.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Did anyone hear the audio from these tapes (of the Iranian speed boats)? I swear it sounded like some jackass sailor from Tennessee making a crank call or something. Something is fishy about this. Not to say it couldn't have happened, but I have my doubts.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Bush and his neocons would want nothing more than to have a confrontation prior to the elections....sometimes wonder if Osama, Iranian Dude and Bush administration aren't bunch of buddies.....working on staying in power with each other....
Innocent before proven guilty. How do we know they are not...christ, I would have been happy if they blew up the boat then denied it later.
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But... that's part of the problem. What if they were Americans in boats flying the Iranian flag? If you hold up the U.S.S. Cole attack as evidence... why didn't our ships at least send warning shots in the direction of these boats?
That is the damage the Bush/Cheney/Rove bullshitting machine has done to us. We don't know what to believe anymore.
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why would iran want to provoke the US into attacking them?? ... what purpose would that serve?
the only people that want war with iran are those people that will profit from that war ... your defence contractors and "engineering" companies ...
because they hate us for our freedoms...
and Britney...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Yeah but he never said the entire coutry. Just the zionist movement itself. That was clarified months ago...
It's like saying I dislike neo-cons.. disliking neo-cons!!?? omg the horror! :eek:
See? now I'm a terrorist. Abra cadabra...amazing...
And i stood corrected a few posts before.
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It is just my opinion that the US government has more credibility then the Iranian government.
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It used to be overwhelming credibility. Bush's administration has narrowed the gap. Yeah, we're more credible than Iran... but, that's not saying much these days. It's sort of like saying bullshit is more reliable than lies.
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By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer
45 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The Persian Gulf confrontation between U.S. and Iranian forces ended without a shot being fired. But it handed the Bush administration new ammunition in its battle to convince allies that the Tehran government is a threat even without nuclear weapons.
From the point of view of President Bush, who opened a Middle East trip Wednesday with Iran high on the agenda, the episode in the Gulf underscored his assertion that the Iranians are capable of acting recklessly. The unspoken implication: Who knows what they might do if they got nuclear weapons?
Bush stressed his concern at a news conference in Jerusalem when a reporter asked what action the United States would take if Iranian naval boats again swarmed a U.S. warship in international waters and threatened to blow it up. The president accused Iran of a "dangerous gesture" and added, "there will be serious consequences if they attack our ships, pure and simple."
Bush said "all options are on the table to secure our assets." Iran continues to be a "threat to world peace," he said.
Sure, I have no problem with questioning things but some things have to be taken for what they are worth before pointing the finger....if one year from now it is determined VP Cheney was jet skiing out on the water and was yelling at a bunch of Navy boys "I am coming for you" then yeah, I am all for a revolution but so far it seems that a country that hates America is fucking around with our soldiers during a time of war I think all needed measures should be taken...they were not which once again shows Americas weakness.....OK now you ask why this is brought up.
One of the reasons Bin Laden attacked America on 9/11 is that we showed weakness in Mogadishu (rent Black Hawk Down). Osama saw that once times get tough America will turn and run (thanks Bill)....on 9/11 he attacked the US expecting us to curl up in a ball and fold, this didn't happened now he is running, waiting for the next person to take over and pull everyone out...I could go on forever with this but I am tired and just do not feel like debating.
....so instead I will say that Rise (demo) from Into the Wild fucking rocks
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Then, you know what? Run the video tape... transmit the warnings... go to battle stations... fire the warning shots. Those are standard procedures. Our Coast Guard will do those same things off our coast if anyone takes aggressive courses towards them. If the operators of those surface craft fail to submit to live fire warning shots over their bows... they risk getting fired upon.
IF those were hostile craft in open waters with a long history of hostile acts... and they ignore warning shots. They deserve to be sunk.
...
The thing is... Bush's camp is trying to spin this thing as hostile acts that, therefore, require military action. Not the case. These are open waters and international laws are in place. Basically, if you fail to change your course after having warning shots fired across your bow... you are asking to to be sunk.
If this happens again... start the video... transmit the warnings... sound the alarms... fire the warning shots. Quit trying to spin it into war. Simple.
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Hail, Hail!!!
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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And if I lived in Israel I would despise Iran after some of the comments their leaders have made about wanting to wipe that country off the face of the earth.
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Which is a flagrant misquote.
:(
If I opened it now would you not understand?
This video we can get within 24 hours of the alleged incident.
But we can't get a clear video of the plane hitting the Penatgon, from back in 2001.
If I am wrong then please correct me. I have no problem admitting I am wrong.
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This is another arguement that my opinion has no chance of winning.
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From 2005 CNN article.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday lambasted Israel and Zionism and quoted the late Ayatollah Khomeini calling for Israel to be "wiped out from the map."
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the actual farsi translation (someone can get a link up here, we've been over this before) basicaly says, "the oppresive israeli regime must fade from the pages of history."
Which, in context, basicaly was an assertion that the israeli government can not continue to act against palestinians and displace other ethnic groups by acting out side of its UN defined borders, adn that such hostility by necessity -- necessity being cited with refrences to OTHER regimes like the soviets etc that fell through PEACEFUL means of internal pressure -- of historical precedent come to an end. IE - REGIME CHANGE.
At least that was my take.
I'm not saying there is no Anti-Israeli sentiment in Iran.
I'm not stupid.
I'm just saying the quote was FAR from the blanket assertion of wanting violence wished upon the STATE of Israel. In fact, there was no implication of force, it wasn't even an active verb. It was "must fade from the pages of history".
Hardly calling for a "wiping off the map."
The machine really ran to distort that quote!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Fair enough. I can see where the media would run with that.
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Here is a fairly unbiased NY Times article
ALSO
see here, under the section starting, "The Proof..."
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If they would only speak english, then we would all know and what they really meant.
Damn fuckin' non-english speaking foreigners! Make them all speak english, NOW!
That reminds me of a very old joke.
What do you call someone who speaks 3 languages? Trilingual
What do you call someone who speaks 2 languages? Bilingual
What do you call someone who speaks 1 language? American
Sorry, now back to the debate.
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And I will now say you have proven me wrong and this sounds like it was a misquote.
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Yeah, I think I hear that one before. Funny stuff. Will, not funny haha...more like ...that's a shame...funny.
Why is that surprising?
I didn't prove you 'wrong'.
I gave you the information the media deliberately witheld from you.
Hopefuly more people are willing to do their own research on things like this.
If you hear something defamatory, and war-mongering coming from the US Government OR the US Media, LOOK IN TO IT.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
It is just my opinion that the US government has more credibility then the Iranian government.
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Yeah but he never said the entire coutry. Just the zionist movement itself. That was clarified months ago...
It's like saying I dislike neo-cons.. disliking neo-cons!!?? omg the horror! :eek:
See? now I'm a terrorist. Abra cadabra...amazing...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Yeah but...all those (several) camera's weren't working...even across the street in a few locations as well.
Must have been one of those spontaneous magnetic disturbance solar flare's disguised as secret agents.
The one camera shrouded in magic kyrptonize solar proof dust was able to snap off a few frames before exploding. Thank god for that.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
lol....
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Iran will never control the straight...in no way shape or form for any time...
But... that's part of the problem. What if they were Americans in boats flying the Iranian flag? If you hold up the U.S.S. Cole attack as evidence... why didn't our ships at least send warning shots in the direction of these boats?
That is the damage the Bush/Cheney/Rove bullshitting machine has done to us. We don't know what to believe anymore.
Hail, Hail!!!
why would iran want to provoke the US into attacking them?? ... what purpose would that serve?
the only people that want war with iran are those people that will profit from that war ... your defence contractors and "engineering" companies ...
because they hate us for our freedoms...
and Britney...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
And i stood corrected a few posts before.
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It used to be overwhelming credibility. Bush's administration has narrowed the gap. Yeah, we're more credible than Iran... but, that's not saying much these days. It's sort of like saying bullshit is more reliable than lies.
Hail, Hail!!!
45 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The Persian Gulf confrontation between U.S. and Iranian forces ended without a shot being fired. But it handed the Bush administration new ammunition in its battle to convince allies that the Tehran government is a threat even without nuclear weapons.
From the point of view of President Bush, who opened a Middle East trip Wednesday with Iran high on the agenda, the episode in the Gulf underscored his assertion that the Iranians are capable of acting recklessly. The unspoken implication: Who knows what they might do if they got nuclear weapons?
Bush stressed his concern at a news conference in Jerusalem when a reporter asked what action the United States would take if Iranian naval boats again swarmed a U.S. warship in international waters and threatened to blow it up. The president accused Iran of a "dangerous gesture" and added, "there will be serious consequences if they attack our ships, pure and simple."
Bush said "all options are on the table to secure our assets." Iran continues to be a "threat to world peace," he said.
Then, you know what? Run the video tape... transmit the warnings... go to battle stations... fire the warning shots. Those are standard procedures. Our Coast Guard will do those same things off our coast if anyone takes aggressive courses towards them. If the operators of those surface craft fail to submit to live fire warning shots over their bows... they risk getting fired upon.
IF those were hostile craft in open waters with a long history of hostile acts... and they ignore warning shots. They deserve to be sunk.
...
The thing is... Bush's camp is trying to spin this thing as hostile acts that, therefore, require military action. Not the case. These are open waters and international laws are in place. Basically, if you fail to change your course after having warning shots fired across your bow... you are asking to to be sunk.
If this happens again... start the video... transmit the warnings... sound the alarms... fire the warning shots. Quit trying to spin it into war. Simple.
Hail, Hail!!!
It had nuclear winter written all over it.
You gotta read between the lines on this stuff.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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